May 1, 2026

Golf’s Ultimate Goal: Shooting Your Age or Lower | Mulligans

Golf’s Ultimate Goal: Shooting Your Age or Lower | Mulligans
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This week on the Mulligans episode, Fred Greene sits down with Richard Cessena to talk about golf's ultimate milestone: shooting your age—or lower.

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Hey, it's Josh carp and it's Friday, which means that

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we are airing a Golf Smarter Mulligans episode from the archives.

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Next week. We'll have a new interview on Tuesday with

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golf historian Stephen Proctor, so tune in and we're going

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to have a special giveaway. This week's three run is

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episode five hundred. Golf's Ultimate Goal Shooting Your Age Are

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Lower with Richard Sezna.

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Gol Published on August fourth, twenty fifteen. Golf's Ultimate Goal

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Shooting Your Age with General Manager of Paradise Valley Golf,

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rich Sesna. This is Golf Smarter Premium.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Rick, thank you for inviting me. I appreciate it.

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Rymma, it's great to have you on, and it's great

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to have you in your own community here. I'm going

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to take notes as we have our conversation.

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I hope you don't mind certain.

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And also not only will we have a Q and A,

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but we're go also have some tree of your questions

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and maybe you can win some prizes when we're all done,

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and we have some gifts for you when we're done.

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As well, we are live here at the Paradise Valley

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Estates in Fairfield, California, which is right near Travis Air

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Force Base in northern California. And this is really fun

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for me to be here with all of you today.

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Thank you so much. Rich briefly tell me your history

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in golf, and then I have other questions for you

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about that.

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I certainly played high school golf and then went on

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to the San Diego Golf Academy, ran out of.

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Money and story of many golfers in.

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The United States Air Force, Thank you golf in the

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United States Air Force a lot of golf. Actually tried

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out for the Air Force golf team and made the team,

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but got bumped because the major that was retiring unretired

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of course, so I went back to my duties on

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the floor lightline, but spent four years in the Air Force,

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and at the time I volunteered at a golf course

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near Luke Air Force Base, which at the time was

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the only TAC base that did not have a golf course.

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So I volunteered.

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And while I'm volunteering, then I had access to both

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professional and amateur events. I always played as an amateur

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then individual that I worked with at this golf course,

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went on to work for the PGA Tour. Well, my

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enlistment was coming up, and I was torn between reopp

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and or whether or not I wanted to stay in golf,

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And of course it was unfortunate unfortunately for the military,

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I hope, but fortunate for me. I chose golf and

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I went to work for the PGA Tour.

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Then when did you start playing?

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I started playing actually in high school. I didn't start,

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oh really as a youth.

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I my dad played Triple A.

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Baseball oh for the Philadelphia Phillies organization.

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Wow.

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He was a catcher, so the years that he played,

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he was a home run hitter and a strikeout artist.

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So I grew up playing baseball. And I injured my

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shoulder in a bicycle accident between my eighth and ninth year,

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and so I didn't I wasn't gona be able to

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play baseball that year. So one of the one of

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my buddies who played golf, told the golf coach, you

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had to ask rich to try out for the team.

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So I did. I went out and I thought it

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was great.

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But baseball season was coming up, and I tried out

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for baseball again.

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But the baseball coach.

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And the golf coach had gotten together and decided that

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I was playing golf. Oh really, I wasn't playing baseball.

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And for the Riveries, I was in ninth grade. I

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was five feet tall away one hundred pounds, so.

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That's a golfer's body.

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Yeah, it was better for golf it was for baseball.

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So I ended up on the golf team.

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So was it the golf coach who was pushing the

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baseball coach? Who was the baseball coach. It's going you

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know what, I don't take them. He's yeah, take them.

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I don't know that the two of them conspired to do,

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but they made the great choice. Ye first year, my

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in tenth grade played pretty well. I picked up the

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game fairly fast. The fact that I was playing a

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lot of different sports being athletic helped. The baseball movement

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does help. There is some things that can hinder a

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golf swing from baseball.

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But I then went on and.

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Got a job at the golf local golf course. I

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fell in love. I couldn't that was it.

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I was hooked.

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It happens every bit.

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So I then the next year I became I was

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third on the team, and then the following year I

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was most improved golfer. So I was progressing and I

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was enjoying at an awful lot.

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So where did that?

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How did that get you to become a PGA professional?

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After I left the Air Force and joined the PGA Tour,

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I immediately then joined PG of America. Because apprentice program, you're

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supposed to get in about achieve your apprenticeship to a

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class A golf professional about thirty six months. I did

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it in twenty eight. I wanted it. I really wanted it.

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I love the game and I wanted this to be

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my profession. So once I became a class A golf professional,

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then that gives you the opportunity to the next start

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exploring other jobs within the golf industry. So I spent

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eleven years working for the PGA Tour and then in

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two thousand and one Keptra Sports, who I currently work for,

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who we just hosted the us Open Chambers Bay.

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They hired me away.

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That didn't go from Kemper Sports. I'm sorry to distract

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on that, but no.

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Actually, keep in mind that when the USGA comes in

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to set up an event, it doesn't matter what golf

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course it is it's going to be hard.

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It is a US Open. It's supposed to be the

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hardest test, sight.

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Out fast, It's going to be very difficult, rough will

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be tall.

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But for us, it's a huge success. Yeah, having it there.

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We're the first golf management company to ever be selected

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to host.

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A US Open.

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Oh as opposed to a specific course or country clubs

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exactly right, interesting and a completely different venue. Right yeah,

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But do they have any sense that they think maybe

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it's not coming back to Chambers? But because there were

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so many complaints by the by the even the Hall

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of famersre it had issues with the golf course.

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Well, I think if you look at the results and

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the numbers that these golfers shot, some of them shot

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some very low rounds, right, So the guys that that

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shot seventy four, seventy five, seventy six are probably going

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to complain, But they'd complain at any golf course they

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played shot that number. So no, I don't I think

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it'll certainly be back to Chambers.

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Was it Nicholas or Palmer that talked about You know

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when a when a player complains that it doesn't suit

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their game, it's like, sorry, you're supposed to suit your

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game to the course.

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That was Nicholas.

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In fact, Chlais said he identified those that were complaining

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and knew he eliminated them from the field.

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Interesting because it wasn't a positive approach.

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Everybody is playing the exact same golf course for every event.

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So now doing a little more research on you, before

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you started playing golf in high school, you had a

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very interesting life. Share that tell us a story about

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where you were doing as a young boy.

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Well, for anybody that's interested in looking it up, look

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up kid Ko Ki d Coo. It was a movie

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about my life when I was a young man. When

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I turned eleven, I started my own company, I Incorporated,

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and I became the youngest president of any corporation in

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the history of the United States at that time. I

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don't know what it is today. We sign an agreement

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with the developer in our area to maintain the seven

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major streets so that when they were bringing prospective clients out,

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they wanted no construction to bring whatsoever on the streets.

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And how old were you eleven?

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You were eleven and you said I have one of

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adults working for you, Well we did.

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In fact, I was one of I'm one of ten kids.

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I grew up in the farming and ranching industry, and

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the four youngest children were the four that were involved

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in Kidco. And then we because we didn't have anybody

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of legal age, we hired my dad as our general manager,

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so we had somebody that could at least sign the.

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Documents leaders sid the checks.

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Yeah, absolutely, and we get involved in selling. We had

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a lot of horses on our property and we started

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selling horse manure as fertilizer to the local developer because

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by California code, you had to encourage growth when you

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put in a new road for embankments, and the developer

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found a way to do it for relatively cheap compared

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to sprigging or what any other means of putting vegetation down.

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So once the Board of Equalization got ahold of that,

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they thought for sure that we were a front for

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my dad, and so once they came in, they filed

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charges against us. They threatened us with jail time. It

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got really crazy.

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Well, that was an.

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Invite to send that out to the media. My dad

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was a great promoter, and so he did so. It

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immediately hit the news wires and I ended up on

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Mike Douglas and MERV Griffin for folks in the audience

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would remember those kids are people too. I was on

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Ronald Reagan's program twice when he was governor. In fact,

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I have a famous line from one of his shows.

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I said, if I was old enough, I would vote

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for you twice. And Ronald Reagan has written me several

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times he had handwritten notes. Really, I say, yeah, So

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I had an excite career as a young man in

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Hollywood picked up the story and then made the movie

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called Kidko.

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You're kidding. No, it's about you.

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It's about myself and my three sisters and what we

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did with our own business.

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Okay, got to look up the movie kid Co.

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Yes, you were a.

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Staff member of the Board of Equalization in the late

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seventies when this was going on. They weren't very happy

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because the number of individuals that called in to their

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facility in San Diego repeated those calls so often that

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it shut down their phone systems time and time again,

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and they literally came up with a way for us

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to be exonerated.

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Oh my gosh, Oh it was terrific. Great story. Was

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a great life growing up.

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Great story, great story let's get back to golf a

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little bit, and you're talking about Chambers Bay Kemper Sports,

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and it seems like numbers are high for great tournaments

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like this watching. But let's talk about the state of

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the industry right now. It seems as if there are

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golf courses closing all over the country. Not many are

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being built anymore. I think in twenty fourteen I read

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four courses opened in the United States and one was

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closing every eleven days.

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Correct, what's going on.

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We are no different than any other industry. We are

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subject to our own economy, whether it be a microeconomy

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or not. But we're also subject to major recessions. So

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there's going to be in every industry retractions. During the nineties,

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we were building two three, four hundred courses a year

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based on the prediction that we would never run out

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of the golfers.

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We ran out of golfers.

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As the segment of golfers changed, we then started seeing

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reclining declining numbers. So it's a natural retraction. It's unfortunate.

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It's the industry I'm in and I love it, but

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you are going to have to have this balance. The

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Many experts say that we have about sixteen thousand golf

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courses within the United States. Many experts say that a

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healthy balance is probably twelve five hundred. So seeing so

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many golf courses close is just a result of too

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many being built.

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What do you think was the factor they got all

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the excitement, of course, is the glut of courses being built.

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There was a major report put out in the late

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eighties that stated that if we were so short on

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golf courses, the supply needed to be increased dramatically. Once

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developers figured out that you can sell more homes quicker

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for a higher value along a golf course, and municipalities

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figured out that they could do the same thing. Municipalities

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also figured out that they could convert green space, which

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legally they needed to have a percentage of green space

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in this city instead of it being a park to

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be a golf course. That also provided residents the opportunity

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to get in and onto the golf course for a

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much lesser feet So there was this kind of a

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storm that was created. Unfortunately it ended up with too

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many golf courses.

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And just around that time, there was this lightning rod

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on television charismatic golfer who was just dominating the sport

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as if it's never been done before.

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Tiger Woods, Tiger Woods, it's exactly right. When I worked

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for the PGA Tour, you could tell when the best

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players in the world, especially Tiger, were leading a golf event,

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how there was a different type of energy. And when

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the tournament ended each day, the range would be flooded

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with people.

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Interesting the range at the event, at golf facilities everywhere

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in the country.

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Yeah, oh, I know, yes.

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Definitely there was a storm that had been created. It

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was a great energy.

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So once with Tiger, you've got Tiger Woods.

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He played core sensational for ten or twelve years. He's

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had his personal challenges, and as we all know, golf

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is more psychological than it is physical. The best golf

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swings don't win every week. The best mind does.

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Okay, so we're back.

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You can control it. You've got to be able to

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control your brain, control your emotions on a golf course.

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If there's a lot going on in your world, it's

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difficult to win a golf.

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Tournament, right, thank you.

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I actually had a conversation with a former touring pro

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and he said that most people don't understand that when

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you're on tour, you have to be able to eat

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and digest anything. You have to be able to sleep

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on any kind of bed with no problem, you have

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to adjust to any time zone with no issue. And

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as far as not getting emotionally involved with the people

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you meet after the round of golf, you have to

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block that out of your mind. And that's something we

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don't realize how complicated, how difficult it is for somebody

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to be on the tour, What a grind it is.

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If we all see the four days worth, but we

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don't see beyond that.

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It's right.

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While I was working for the PGA Tour, I used

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to take time off and travel and teach golf and

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go to Hawaii and cabbo in different locations throughout the Southwest.

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I did that.

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Repeatedly, and when you get home, you're tired, and when

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you go to another location and you're expected to turn

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it on because you've got a whole group.

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Of clients coming in that don't care whether or not

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you're tired or not exactly. They want to.

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Start the golf instruction. They want to do what's on

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their schedule. So I feel for the guys that travel

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and do this for a living. It's a very tough business.

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Very tough business. Now, let's talk about the state of

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the game. There's technology has changed the game radically, technology

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and golf balls, technology and golf clubs in the last

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ten to fifteen years. And it seems like because people

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are hitting it so much farther, golf courses are getting

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longer and longer. But they're building golf courses longer for

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the touring pros.

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Not for us.

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That's correct.

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And you know there's some courses that I don't have

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a problem getting the ball in the fairway, but getting

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the ball close is a lot harder. I mean, the

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short game really is kind of disappeared because everything is

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so long, so long. But we even did an episode

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once called It's not about how long, It's about how close.

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That's correct.

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There's a titleist commercial right now that talks about the

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golf ball doesn't know who's hitting it right.

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So it doesn't matter what game you have.

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Play the game according to your satisfaction, what makes you happy.

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Don't play it at seven thousand yards, play it at

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five thousand yards, play it at four thousand yards unless

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you're playing in USGA events and you need to run

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to the computer after each round and file with the USGA.

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Don't tee off of the t boxes.

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Yeah, go out to the forward part of the of the.

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Fairway play it forward, play it forward.

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Part of that program to play it.

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Forward, which is a terrible name, but a great idea.

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It works great.

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Anything that makes it easier for the golfer to enjoy,

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because the game is inherently difficult.

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It's the easiest game in the world to enjoy.

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I'm not going to just do it that four four and.

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A half hours out in a fantastic setting with your friends,

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with your family.

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So let's make it.

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More enjoyable playing like I've been saying about eighteen years now,

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and my wife is now just starting to get interested

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in playing. And so the rule that we have when

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we play together is one I do not give instruction,

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which helps our relationship. I think every person should take

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that advice. Do not try to give instruction on a

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golf course. Their mind gets flooded. But what we do is,

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if we're playing a par three, she can tee off

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at the tea box. If we're playing a par four,

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wherever my ball lands or equal to where my ball

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lands if it's out of bounds, she can tee it

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up right there, right, And if it's a par five

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on my second shot, correct, she gets So for her

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right now is a nice long walk and she plays

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one hundred and fifty to two hundred yard holes. And

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also if she gets the seven shots, it's time to

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pick it up and let's go putt right, and she's

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fine with that.

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We tell lots of folks double pars the max okay,

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and for certain events, we'll hater an event at our

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golf course and also adjust the game.

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You know.

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So if we have a group that we've seen two

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or three times and we know that they have a

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difficult time getting around the golf course, will assist them

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with a new game. We've got to find a way

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to get the folks.

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They're trying so many joyable apps, so.

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It's got to be enjoyable, but at the same time,

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it has to feel like a game to them trying.

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So one of the most interesting things that's being tried

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right now just for the fun of the game, is

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fifteen inch holes.

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Correct.

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Have you tried this?

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No? We thought about it. The biggest challenge with the

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fifteen inch cups.

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I love the idea. I don't know that I would

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put it on every single hole just because of the

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difficulty of changing that cup. It's very difficult to keep

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a smooth surface on the greens. A four and a

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half inch cup is tough enough.

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To keep it. We've all putted over a cup.

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That's yesterday's littlber or is.

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Hasn't been quite seated properly. You can imagine trying a

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fifteen inch cup and trying to keep the surface.

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Of it that a cup that's a plate.

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Yeah, so I like the idea.

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We have a couple of five inch cups at Rancho

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on the chipping Green, Okay.

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Which is great to encourage people to see that ball

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going in the hole more often.

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And we have talked about doing special events where we

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might put an eight inch or a fifteen inch cup

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in for a closest to the pin or a hole

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in one contest. I think that's spectacular. I don't know

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if superintendents are ever going to be able to perfect

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moving fifteen inch cups.

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That's the big issues.

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This is the course superintendent's correct. I know a golf

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course near where I live in Marin County tried it

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for an afternoon they tried to day and they said

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that the rounds were down to three and a half

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hours and people were knocking ten to fifteen strokes off sure,

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on every hole. So and they had a lot of

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fun with it, but it's not a score you can record.

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Correct. Purists are going to fight that as well.

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Yeah, going to say, well the peists can do that.

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And that's a whole other conversation about who is the

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USGA really concerned about?

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You know, are we really they I know they want

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to grow the game. I know they want to bring a.

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New golfers, but really it's the old guard who is saying, no, no,

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get out of my way.

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You're right, You're absolutely right.

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And I've always felt like the USGA was not an

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advocate for the golfer but for the golf course.

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Well, I think the I think they're an advocate for

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the game itself because it encompasses so many traditions, and

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traditions are hard to break, they're hard to get rid of,

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hard to change. So I think they're they're certainly part

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of the purest approach to the game. However, they are

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engaged in a lot of programs that are encouraging the

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growth of the game. Yes, so yeah, I think you'll

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see in the next ten years you'll see a big change.

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That would be great. I want to focus now because

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we're here at Paradise Valley of States today. I wanted

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to focus on issues that seniors have in golf, and

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even for the audience, the golf smarter audience that ranges

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an age from you know, twelve and up. And we've

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had I've gotten emails from twelve year olds and eighty

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year olds. Eventually all of us are going to be

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senior golfers. That's the whole point. We're all going to

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have the issues that are most demanding as you get older. Obviously,

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the first one that would be coming to mind would

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be pace of play.

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I think we've gone from well, first of all, pace

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of play has always been an issue, no matter since

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golf it was created. Everybody's always pushing to play at

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a faster pace. Somebody once said, a good walk spoiled right,

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all right, And it really is a terrific four four

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and a half hours out there. Anybody that thinks that

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forty seniors of eighty years of age are going to

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play in four to four and a half hours under

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the standard setting is dreaming. It's unfair to go out

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and push those folks around the golf course.

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Our whole world has sped up.

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So if you look at the challenges we had with

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pace of play anyways, then you start adding this world

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that we're living in electronics, everything is fast. Those folks

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that are new to the game were expecting that same

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thing to happen. It's unrealistic. And if you start adding

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the new golfers that we have coming into the game,

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who don't have much experience, who do not have the

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proper etiquette yet, or no understand the rules the basics,

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those are going to impact pace of play as well.

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Nobody wants to pick up and move forward when in reality,

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after you've hit the ball eight ten times, pick.

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Up and move forward. Please just enjoy it. Just continue

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to enjoy it.

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So for those folks, for those folks, mark your good shots,

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not all shots.

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That's exactly right.

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Nobody is keeping track at the USGA or the PGA

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Tour of what your score was.

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For the day. It just doesn't matter.

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Just enjoy it. So pace a play is always going

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to be a challenge. It's never going to go away.

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We as operators, though, have to continue to find ways

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to move golfers along. We like to tell folks that

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you're not slow, but that you're falling behind our desired pace.

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There's a nice way to say it. We'd like you

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to regain your position on the golf course based on time.

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It's not always easy.

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I've worked at resorts where people pay two three hundred

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dollars a person to play. Their answer is I paid

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my money, I'm going to take as long as I want.

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That's tough, but.

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So did everybody else here on the golf course.

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And that's our answer.

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So sometimes you actually remove those folks from the golf

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course wow, because you can't have four impacting two hundred.

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So it's always going to be challenge. It's never going

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00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:01.319
to go away.

485
00:25:01.319 --> 00:25:03.960
But we as operators have to find ways to encourage

486
00:25:03.960 --> 00:25:06.759
people to play at a faster pace, and sometimes that

487
00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.720
means are marshals have to recognize that certain golfers don't

488
00:25:11.799 --> 00:25:16.079
understand that, like everybody waiting for somebody to hit, well,

489
00:25:16.119 --> 00:25:18.599
if you're going to play at a reasonable pace, you

490
00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:22.799
play your ball when it's your turn or when it's

491
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.000
safe to hit it. Doesn't somebody else is not ready.

492
00:25:26.039 --> 00:25:28.400
Don't wait for him just because it's not your turn,

493
00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:30.559
based on the distance you are away from the pin.

494
00:25:31.160 --> 00:25:31.839
Just play golf.

495
00:25:32.559 --> 00:25:36.880
What are the instructions that marshalls get about trying to

496
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:40.559
keep the pace of play moving, because mostly what I

497
00:25:40.599 --> 00:25:43.759
see with marshals is I'm driving going, you're moving slough,

498
00:25:43.960 --> 00:25:46.519
come on, pick it up, and they're no help.

499
00:25:47.000 --> 00:25:51.680
Well, that's remember that the generally the individuals that take

500
00:25:51.720 --> 00:25:55.759
those jobs are people that have retired from other industries.

501
00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.079
Nice they're looking for something to do right, They're looking

502
00:25:59.119 --> 00:26:04.039
for something to do. Our facilities converted from the marshals

503
00:26:04.039 --> 00:26:07.240
being a paid position to a volunteer position simply based

504
00:26:07.279 --> 00:26:09.200
on the economics. Of course, we needed to find a

505
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:13.480
way to save money. So you're asking somebody a general manager.

506
00:26:13.519 --> 00:26:15.519
Rick Rennick, who I worked for at the PGA Tour,

507
00:26:15.680 --> 00:26:18.640
was a gem. He said one time with one of

508
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:21.279
our staff meetings, I wouldn't put my father out there

509
00:26:21.279 --> 00:26:23.720
in that job. That's the hardest job in the golf course,

510
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:26.759
and it truly is, it really is. They are an

511
00:26:26.799 --> 00:26:30.880
ambassador to the game, They are into the property. They

512
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:33.720
are an individual that the golfers are going to see

513
00:26:34.079 --> 00:26:36.519
the most. Within that four four and a half hours

514
00:26:36.559 --> 00:26:39.640
that they're there, so you hope that they create a relationship,

515
00:26:39.680 --> 00:26:41.440
which is what we tell them. We want them to

516
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:44.039
introduce themselves to them, we want them to say hello.

517
00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.839
But when there is a challenge, there is a way

518
00:26:46.920 --> 00:26:50.279
to approach golfers, and it's not driving up on them

519
00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.240
during a shot and telling them they're slow. It's waiting

520
00:26:53.240 --> 00:26:56.039
for the appropriate moment to drive up and say, folks,

521
00:26:56.160 --> 00:26:59.680
I need your help. You have to get golfers to

522
00:26:59.720 --> 00:27:03.160
buy into the fact that they are responsible for their own.

523
00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.119
Pace of play. May I make a suggestion, absolutely.

524
00:27:06.640 --> 00:27:11.319
I would appreciate that if marshals have noticed that a

525
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:14.799
specific group is slow, or if they're sitting in their

526
00:27:14.880 --> 00:27:18.079
cart on the fairway watching them tee off and they

527
00:27:18.119 --> 00:27:21.799
see that the ball is going to be difficult to find,

528
00:27:23.000 --> 00:27:25.279
why can't the marshal mark where the ball is? Why

529
00:27:25.319 --> 00:27:27.119
can't they take their hat and put I found your

530
00:27:27.119 --> 00:27:29.640
ball so that you don't have to spend five, six, seven,

531
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:31.839
ten minutes looking for your ball.

532
00:27:32.680 --> 00:27:34.759
You know, it's like that to me.

533
00:27:34.839 --> 00:27:36.559
Is where the marshal could really help out.

534
00:27:36.640 --> 00:27:39.240
If we do that, it's gay for you, yes, yeah,

535
00:27:39.359 --> 00:27:39.759
we do that.

536
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:42.799
Good for you to actually teach our staff to rake

537
00:27:42.880 --> 00:27:48.079
bunkers well, right to put a flag to give walkers

538
00:27:48.079 --> 00:27:50.240
and assist put them in the cart, drive them forward.

539
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:53.799
Is this a Rancho Solano and Paradise Valley States golf

540
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:55.319
course thing? Or is this a Kemper Sports thing?

541
00:27:55.559 --> 00:27:58.000
This is a Paradise Voul Rancho Salona. But I'm sure

542
00:27:58.000 --> 00:27:59.839
it's done. Ever so, the one thing at Kemper Sports

543
00:28:00.039 --> 00:28:03.599
as allow each facility to run as their own entity.

544
00:28:04.279 --> 00:28:06.599
So sometimes the rules that we have at this facility

545
00:28:06.599 --> 00:28:09.519
may not apply at another facility, so we adjust accordingly.

546
00:28:10.039 --> 00:28:13.680
But yeah, the marshal is there to help you around

547
00:28:13.880 --> 00:28:16.519
the golf course. That's his his or her job.

548
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:19.759
All right, let's talk about how what things we can

549
00:28:19.839 --> 00:28:23.599
do to help pick up the pace of play without

550
00:28:23.640 --> 00:28:26.880
having to deal with the marshalls. And let's just assume

551
00:28:27.440 --> 00:28:29.559
again we're talking about seeing Let's assume we're in a

552
00:28:29.640 --> 00:28:31.559
golf cart. We get a couple of people in a

553
00:28:31.599 --> 00:28:34.759
golf cart. What you know that's going to help immediately

554
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:36.480
if they're not walking, it's going to make it a

555
00:28:36.480 --> 00:28:41.440
little faster. What suggestions could you make that would help

556
00:28:41.799 --> 00:28:43.839
help them pick up the pace in the golf cart.

557
00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:46.920
Two golfers in a cart, drive up to the first

558
00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:49.640
golf ball. That person gets their yards maybe they're looking

559
00:28:49.640 --> 00:28:52.279
at GPS. They get their yard each, they get their

560
00:28:52.440 --> 00:28:55.000
club that they want to strike it with. And then

561
00:28:55.079 --> 00:28:57.079
if it's close, if it's a shot to the green,

562
00:28:57.480 --> 00:28:59.559
you want them to take their putter and their wedge

563
00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.359
and their if they have a towel, and they can

564
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:05.480
then walk forward after they strike their shot while the

565
00:29:05.480 --> 00:29:09.359
other golfer leaves to hit their shot. You tend to

566
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:12.119
see a lot of golfers will sit and wait, they

567
00:29:12.240 --> 00:29:14.200
hit their shot, they get back on the cart, the

568
00:29:14.240 --> 00:29:16.480
two of them drive. Sometimes they do it as four

569
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.319
and the carts will follow each other from shot to shot,

570
00:29:19.400 --> 00:29:21.359
and I'll try it happens a lot.

571
00:29:21.400 --> 00:29:22.200
You'd be surprised.

572
00:29:22.279 --> 00:29:25.039
So what you're saying is, go to the first ball

573
00:29:25.160 --> 00:29:28.160
that you come to, drop that golfer off, let him

574
00:29:28.160 --> 00:29:30.559
take everything needs, then go to your ball, and as

575
00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.359
soon as he hits, you're ready to go.

576
00:29:32.519 --> 00:29:33.359
That's exactly right.

577
00:29:33.599 --> 00:29:37.599
And then that if the golfer, the first golfer is

578
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.799
on the green, second golfer hits their ball, he can

579
00:29:40.920 --> 00:29:43.240
drive by and pick up that golfer, yeah, and head

580
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.960
to the green moving I like to put my golf

581
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:48.720
bag on the cart and then whoever I'm playing with,

582
00:29:48.799 --> 00:29:51.839
I like to walk and I can literally by the

583
00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:54.200
time I walk up to my golf ball, I will

584
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:58.720
wait because other golfers haven't quite finished yet, because I'm

585
00:29:58.759 --> 00:30:01.200
ready to go. I know, walking up, I'm already looking

586
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:03.599
down for yardag markers. I'm ready that kart gets there,

587
00:30:03.599 --> 00:30:05.839
I pull my club, I hit, I go correct. There's

588
00:30:05.839 --> 00:30:08.039
no waiting around. You gotta move, you get gotta It's

589
00:30:08.519 --> 00:30:10.440
it's a cycle. It's a feeling that you get out there,

590
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.880
a rhythm. Everybody needs to play at a certain rhythm.

591
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:18.720
Okay, another issue I would think that everybody has, and

592
00:30:18.799 --> 00:30:22.559
it's not just seniors, but as we age, the biggest

593
00:30:22.559 --> 00:30:24.400
complaint is I'm not hitting the ball as far as

594
00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:24.880
I used to.

595
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:26.920
It's correct, and it will happen to everybody, and.

596
00:30:26.960 --> 00:30:28.279
It will happen to everybody.

597
00:30:28.799 --> 00:30:32.359
But I have played, I have played with some senior golfers,

598
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:34.920
and I've played with some women who don't hit the

599
00:30:34.920 --> 00:30:38.200
ball far and they beat me. It's correct because they're

600
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:41.039
just hitting it straight. They just you know, plugging away

601
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.319
and they're betting. They're getting their fives on every hole,

602
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.319
or sometimes I'll get a four and a three, but

603
00:30:45.400 --> 00:30:47.960
they're just keep plugging to keep the ball in the fairway.

604
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:49.039
That's exactly right.

605
00:30:49.880 --> 00:30:53.640
That's why senior golfers, some senior golfer groups can get

606
00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:58.079
around the golf course relatively fast. If they're decent golfers

607
00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:00.799
and they don't hit or don't have a tremendous amount

608
00:31:00.799 --> 00:31:03.279
of sight spin, their golf ball is always in the fairway,

609
00:31:03.319 --> 00:31:05.079
it's always in front of the green, it's always somewhere

610
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:09.400
they can find it. Young golfers like the swing harder,

611
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.119
which produces more spin, and golf balls that go all

612
00:31:13.160 --> 00:31:15.240
over the place, always looking for it.

613
00:31:15.440 --> 00:31:19.799
Right, that's the military golf right right, yeah, exactly.

614
00:31:19.799 --> 00:31:25.119
I'm sure the folks that one. Uh the uh. But

615
00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.240
if you ever played Ray Ray golf, Ray Ray Golf.

616
00:31:28.039 --> 00:31:30.279
Ray Ray golf. Anybody here ever hear Ray Ray golf.

617
00:31:30.519 --> 00:31:33.640
I frequently play Ray Ray Golf. One shot I hit

618
00:31:33.680 --> 00:31:35.839
like Ray Floyd. The next one I hit like Ray Charles.

619
00:31:35.839 --> 00:31:37.079
Oh, yes, yes.

620
00:31:43.400 --> 00:31:46.480
So now that we're not hitting the ball as far, uh,

621
00:31:46.559 --> 00:31:49.319
there's a couple of things that we can do to

622
00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:51.319
maybe pick up a yard or two.

623
00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:55.440
And one is your body.

624
00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:58.119
And two is your equipment correct, Let's talk about your

625
00:31:58.119 --> 00:32:02.279
body for a moment. Fitness, flexibility, There are lots of

626
00:32:02.319 --> 00:32:06.720
programs available today to encourage a golfer to become more

627
00:32:06.759 --> 00:32:09.759
flexible and some strength training.

628
00:32:10.480 --> 00:32:13.519
If you look at the best players in the world

629
00:32:13.680 --> 00:32:16.480
over the say, the last hundred years, only a couple

630
00:32:16.559 --> 00:32:20.039
of them, one being Tiger Woods was ever a workout

631
00:32:20.079 --> 00:32:23.519
fanatic that actually put on a lot of muscle. You

632
00:32:23.559 --> 00:32:27.240
look at Ben Hogan, Sam's Need, Tom Watson, Jack Nicholas,

633
00:32:27.279 --> 00:32:28.160
all the great players.

634
00:32:28.319 --> 00:32:28.960
What did they do.

635
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:32.119
They played a lot of golf and they kept that

636
00:32:32.200 --> 00:32:36.160
motion constantly moving. So I would encourage anybody that's a

637
00:32:36.200 --> 00:32:38.640
senior that wants to get a little more length off

638
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.319
the tee or just length throughout their bag. They've got

639
00:32:42.359 --> 00:32:44.880
a stretch more and try to get into some physical

640
00:32:44.880 --> 00:32:47.000
program that they can build some strength.

641
00:32:48.119 --> 00:32:49.240
Second, was the equipment.

642
00:32:49.279 --> 00:32:50.640
You asked about the equations, Well, I want to get

643
00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:52.000
but there's also flexibility.

644
00:32:52.039 --> 00:32:53.960
Flexibility, Yeah, well as strength.

645
00:32:54.640 --> 00:32:57.559
Absolutely, you've got a stretch, You've got to continue to

646
00:32:57.599 --> 00:33:01.799
try to keep the muscles elong and the joints somewhat supple.

647
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:05.920
All right, and now let's talk about the equipment as well.

648
00:33:06.759 --> 00:33:10.240
All right, So the thing that we see the most

649
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:15.920
in the golf industry is ill fitted equipment. First of all,

650
00:33:15.960 --> 00:33:18.640
young people think that they should be able to swing

651
00:33:19.240 --> 00:33:24.319
really stiff shafts or play muscle back golf clubs, which,

652
00:33:24.559 --> 00:33:26.359
for any of those that don't know, that's the difference

653
00:33:26.359 --> 00:33:30.079
between a tour professionals club and a club that is

654
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.279
considered a cavity back.

655
00:33:31.920 --> 00:33:35.880
Is more of the amateurs club, more forgiving, much.

656
00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:38.960
More forgiving, and so the person that's new to the

657
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:43.680
game actually is being is a disservice to them if

658
00:33:43.720 --> 00:33:46.319
you do not get them the proper clubs. Somebody new

659
00:33:46.359 --> 00:33:50.440
to the game should be swinging regular shafts, cavity back clubs,

660
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:55.079
anything that's a forgiving golf club, get them lessons. For

661
00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:58.720
those that are of the senior age, they tend to

662
00:33:58.759 --> 00:34:02.480
still swing clubs that are too stiff and also too short.

663
00:34:03.319 --> 00:34:06.160
As we get older, we'd like to lengthen the golf

664
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.039
club just ever so slightly and go to a much

665
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:13.000
softer shaft and the most forgiving golfhead you can buy.

666
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.400
You put that combination together, you will definitely play better

667
00:34:17.440 --> 00:34:20.960
because the equipment is going to match your body type.

668
00:34:21.119 --> 00:34:24.400
And generally getting fitted for clubs is free. I mean,

669
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:27.239
you can create a pro shop at a big box store.

670
00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:29.920
You can find people, but it's finding the right or

671
00:34:29.920 --> 00:34:34.559
even a custom club maker, but it's finding one that

672
00:34:34.639 --> 00:34:38.280
you trust that has some credibility of finding a good

673
00:34:38.280 --> 00:34:38.880
club fitter.

674
00:34:38.960 --> 00:34:39.440
That's correct.

675
00:34:39.480 --> 00:34:42.920
The Paradise Valley two years ago we built our own

676
00:34:43.280 --> 00:34:46.840
golf performance center. Oh and so we started two years

677
00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:50.159
ago with now two years later, we have facilities from

678
00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:52.840
all over northern California visiting us.

679
00:34:52.719 --> 00:34:53.800
To see what we did.

680
00:34:54.159 --> 00:34:57.440
Awesome, congratulations, and we fit and we have Kevin Hansen,

681
00:34:57.760 --> 00:35:00.599
who has built clubs for the past twenty five years,

682
00:35:00.599 --> 00:35:04.320
including on the PGA Tour. Kevin really knows his death

683
00:35:05.039 --> 00:35:07.239
and when you go see Kevin, he will have you

684
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:10.159
hit your golf clubs and then he'll put you through

685
00:35:10.159 --> 00:35:12.639
a series of tests of other golf clubs. And we

686
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.119
use the same technology that the PGA Tours use, so

687
00:35:16.199 --> 00:35:18.119
you get to see on the screen what your golf

688
00:35:18.159 --> 00:35:20.719
ball's doing with your clip, hit speeds are, how fast

689
00:35:20.760 --> 00:35:25.280
the ball travels, all those statistics that we need to

690
00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:28.280
determine what's the best golf club for you, And you

691
00:35:28.280 --> 00:35:32.679
would be surprised at how many people are way off,

692
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:35.320
not just slightly off in their golf clubs, they are

693
00:35:35.599 --> 00:35:38.360
way off of the mark. We get them fitted, they

694
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.039
can't believe how easy it is to hit the golf ball,

695
00:35:42.719 --> 00:35:45.239
and they're game improves, But what else improves their enjoyment?

696
00:35:45.519 --> 00:35:45.760
Right?

697
00:35:46.639 --> 00:35:49.480
If you're hitting bladed shots all over the golf course

698
00:35:49.519 --> 00:35:51.280
because you can't get the ball in the air, I

699
00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:52.079
can't tell fun.

700
00:35:52.199 --> 00:35:56.079
Yeah, no, I can't tell you how much know this

701
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:59.840
past month I've had. I've at my past twenty rounds,

702
00:36:00.119 --> 00:36:05.159
looking at my ncgajin and my past twenty rounds. I've

703
00:36:05.199 --> 00:36:07.800
had three rounds in the seventies, which is a huge

704
00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:12.719
accomplishment for me at all, and only one in the nineties.

705
00:36:12.760 --> 00:36:14.960
And that is a huge goal for me, which was

706
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:18.280
trying to get less rounds in the nineties and more

707
00:36:18.400 --> 00:36:22.039
and the better I found that, the better I become,

708
00:36:22.679 --> 00:36:26.039
the more fun it is. Although I love being out there,

709
00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:29.480
I love being outdoors, I love the walk. Golf has

710
00:36:29.519 --> 00:36:32.960
become more fun as I've gotten better, and I've incorporated

711
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.599
so many of these things, getting fitted for the clubs,

712
00:36:35.960 --> 00:36:38.159
you know, having the right clubs, picking up the pace

713
00:36:38.159 --> 00:36:38.559
of play.

714
00:36:39.320 --> 00:36:41.119
One of the other things that I do, and I.

715
00:36:42.800 --> 00:36:45.039
Can check easily check my ego at the door. And

716
00:36:45.039 --> 00:36:46.880
I have a lot of problem with my friends on

717
00:36:46.960 --> 00:36:51.360
this is playing different tea boxes. I don't need to

718
00:36:51.519 --> 00:36:55.320
play all the way back. I know sometimes I'll get

719
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:58.639
in less trouble if I do. But playing you know,

720
00:36:58.800 --> 00:37:00.639
to me, it's I want to go out and score

721
00:37:00.719 --> 00:37:02.679
is best I can and have fun. So I'll play

722
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:06.599
the white t's even though my slope may say suggest

723
00:37:06.639 --> 00:37:12.000
that I should be in the middle tees. Again, for seniors,

724
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:13.280
drop the ego.

725
00:37:13.519 --> 00:37:17.039
Drop the ego, and if you're not going to play

726
00:37:17.039 --> 00:37:20.039
the forward tees, put it up in the fairway.

727
00:37:20.719 --> 00:37:23.039
It's okay going, It's okay to tee it up. We

728
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:23.920
still make it.

729
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.800
The goal should be right that you want to hit

730
00:37:25.800 --> 00:37:27.639
your second shot with an ad ire or less.

731
00:37:27.679 --> 00:37:28.840
That's right, right, that's what.

732
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:29.599
They do on the tour.

733
00:37:29.719 --> 00:37:32.440
That's exactly right. So the farther forward that you go,

734
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:35.920
find that mark. And for the folks that live in

735
00:37:35.920 --> 00:37:37.760
this area that play our golf courses all the time,

736
00:37:38.440 --> 00:37:40.039
we're not going to tell you that you can't tea

737
00:37:40.079 --> 00:37:42.960
off from the fairway. We're not going to restrict it

738
00:37:43.039 --> 00:37:45.880
to the tea box. I worked, or I took some

739
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:49.679
lessons from an individual many many years ago who told

740
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.800
me to start playing the forward tees And I said, what,

741
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:54.480
you want me to play a forward teas, but I'm

742
00:37:54.519 --> 00:37:56.559
already shooting in the seventies and that. He said, I

743
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:59.599
want you to get accustomed to seeing birdies on your scorecard,

744
00:38:00.239 --> 00:38:02.760
and I want you to get the feeling that once

745
00:38:02.800 --> 00:38:04.880
you make a lot of birdies from there, then we

746
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:07.800
want you to move back one set of teas and

747
00:38:07.840 --> 00:38:11.400
play a lot around you start making a lot. It's

748
00:38:11.440 --> 00:38:14.840
a mindset. It's about your percent of golf is nothing

749
00:38:14.880 --> 00:38:17.639
but mental. We get on our own way. So if

750
00:38:17.639 --> 00:38:20.519
we can convince our golf ball to go where it's

751
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:23.760
supposed to go because we have confidence in every single

752
00:38:23.760 --> 00:38:26.719
club in the bag, you start enjoying, you start seeing

753
00:38:26.719 --> 00:38:29.239
those low scores, and it doesn't matter whether you're a

754
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:30.719
tour player or whether you're a senior.

755
00:38:30.840 --> 00:38:35.239
Great piece about confidence, it's all about confidence. We did

756
00:38:35.239 --> 00:38:36.679
a show a couple of weeks ago, and I think

757
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:39.719
it was called Golf is one hundred percent mental and

758
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:40.880
one hundred percent physical.

759
00:38:41.000 --> 00:38:44.840
There you go, it's all you get. It'll drive you're crazy,

760
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:45.400
that's for sure.

761
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.079
But the key to scoring putting.

762
00:38:48.280 --> 00:38:52.639
Short game, short game, you bet absolutely what are.

763
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:57.559
Seniors They can take advantage of us with that, because, yes,

764
00:38:57.840 --> 00:39:02.119
more time to practice if they're retired, don't have to worry.

765
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:02.920
About length.

766
00:39:04.119 --> 00:39:07.559
And not always difficult the thing to practice, especially if

767
00:39:07.599 --> 00:39:08.239
it's just putting.

768
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:09.559
You can do it in your own place.

769
00:39:09.639 --> 00:39:11.559
If you get a putting the seven foot putting matt

770
00:39:11.559 --> 00:39:12.599
and just practice your.

771
00:39:12.440 --> 00:39:18.519
Line exactly right, practice distances, practice the three footers and

772
00:39:18.679 --> 00:39:23.159
without a cup awesome, practice on the carpet and practice

773
00:39:23.360 --> 00:39:26.239
to those different distances. Because if you can control the distance,

774
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:28.599
all you have to do now is select the correct line.

775
00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:31.400
I mean, it's obviously both. You have to have a

776
00:39:31.400 --> 00:39:33.639
correct line. You got to have the correct speed. But

777
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:37.440
if you're practicing that distance, that means you're always in

778
00:39:37.480 --> 00:39:41.159
the area, you're always around that hole because the distance

779
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:41.679
is correct.

780
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:46.480
Right. I want to not only invite the Golf Smarter audience,

781
00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.880
but I want to invite everybody here to participate in

782
00:39:49.960 --> 00:39:52.800
a contest, not a contest, a drawing that we're having

783
00:39:52.880 --> 00:39:57.199
on Golf Smarter. We're giving away some wedges from the

784
00:39:57.239 --> 00:40:00.280
brand new Ben Hogan Golf Company.

785
00:40:00.440 --> 00:40:00.880
Excellent.

786
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:06.679
They've just returned company that used to be called Score

787
00:40:06.719 --> 00:40:10.519
Golf and before that Idolon out of Texas and they've

788
00:40:10.519 --> 00:40:15.079
moved the company to Fort Worth. They bought the brand,

789
00:40:15.119 --> 00:40:17.519
the Ben Hogan brand, and we've talked about it on

790
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:23.039
the program a lot, and very exciting. They've just come

791
00:40:23.079 --> 00:40:25.280
out this year with a new set of irons called

792
00:40:25.320 --> 00:40:28.360
the Fort Worth fifteens, and a new set of wedges

793
00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:33.079
and their custom fit for every player. What they do

794
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:36.880
is every degree of loft is available all the way

795
00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:39.119
through from your three iron, which they don't call three

796
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.440
iron anymore. They have them by degrees all the way

797
00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:45.800
through to a sixty two degree wedge. I've been playing

798
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:48.880
the Score Golf wedges my bag over here for.

799
00:40:48.880 --> 00:40:50.360
A while and I play.

800
00:40:50.639 --> 00:40:52.519
I don't play a nine iron, I play my forty

801
00:40:52.519 --> 00:40:54.360
one degree. I don't play my pitching wedge. I play

802
00:40:54.360 --> 00:40:55.559
a forty five degree.

803
00:40:55.679 --> 00:40:57.199
It took a while to get used to that, but

804
00:40:57.280 --> 00:40:57.760
I love it.

805
00:40:58.679 --> 00:41:02.320
And now we're going to be giving away four pairs

806
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.760
of these TK fifteen Ben Hogan Golf wedges.

807
00:41:07.159 --> 00:41:09.920
Anything with Ben Hogan's name on it has to be good, right.

808
00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:13.159
That's what we're very excited, and they just this year

809
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:17.559
the PGA Merchandise Show in Orlando in January was the

810
00:41:17.599 --> 00:41:20.920
announcement of the introduction of these new Ben Hogan line

811
00:41:20.960 --> 00:41:24.840
of golf clubs, and the press has been going nuts.

812
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:27.320
They've been very excited about it. They hit him there

813
00:41:27.360 --> 00:41:31.800
and everybody loved them. And I'm actually getting my set.

814
00:41:33.079 --> 00:41:35.159
They're arriving at my house today. I'm frustrated on them

815
00:41:35.159 --> 00:41:37.159
out here because I want to break this box open.

816
00:41:37.679 --> 00:41:38.280
Very excited.

817
00:41:38.559 --> 00:41:41.599
But for those here, if you want to enter to win,

818
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:45.159
we invite you to do so. Go to Benhogan goolf

819
00:41:45.320 --> 00:41:48.960
dot com slash golf Smarter. For our podcast listeners in

820
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:50.880
the show notes, you can click on the link there

821
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.239
and you can win a pair of the TK fifteen wedges.

822
00:41:55.360 --> 00:41:58.559
And only ben Hogan allows you to fully custom fit

823
00:41:58.679 --> 00:42:03.119
these wedges to your game, aim to your irons and

824
00:42:03.239 --> 00:42:06.840
regardless of what brand you play, and they have what

825
00:42:06.880 --> 00:42:12.320
they call the Complimentary Hogan Fit Personal Bag Mapping Analysis,

826
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:17.920
and it's a online form at benhogangolf dot com where

827
00:42:18.519 --> 00:42:21.199
you answer all the questions about what clubs you play,

828
00:42:21.840 --> 00:42:27.880
how long you hit each club, what your ballflight is high, low, medium,

829
00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:31.119
and then they'll work with you and customize the wedge,

830
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:33.880
so you get exactly what you want, the shaft you want,

831
00:42:33.920 --> 00:42:39.280
the grip that you want. And they're very, very exciting

832
00:42:39.320 --> 00:42:42.000
about getting these new clubs to market and they just

833
00:42:42.039 --> 00:42:44.119
started coming out in April, but we want to give

834
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:46.159
everyone here a chance to win them again. Go to

835
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:50.559
benhogangolf dot com, slash golf smarter, fill out your entry form.

836
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:56.119
Deadline for entry is August seventeenth, will midnight Pacific time,

837
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:58.400
and we're going to announce the winner on our show,

838
00:42:58.559 --> 00:43:02.599
all four winners on our show on August eighteenth, So

839
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:04.760
good luck to everybody, and I hope that you do

840
00:43:05.880 --> 00:43:09.039
enter and while you're there, go through the bag mapping analysis.

841
00:43:09.159 --> 00:43:13.039
It's all free. Well, this has been phenomenal. I appreciate

842
00:43:13.119 --> 00:43:13.840
your time on this.

843
00:43:14.440 --> 00:43:16.199
Thank you for having me. I appreciate it very much