Oct. 21, 2025

Practices of Elite Athletes That Will Help Amateur Golfers with Dr. Jo Lukins

Practices of Elite Athletes That Will Help Amateur Golfers with Dr. Jo Lukins
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Season 20

GS#1022  This week we speak to Dr. Jo Lukins about her most recent book 'The Elite'. She shares insights on the mental strategies that elite athletes use to succeed. Dr. Lukins also explores the unique mental challenges faced by golfers and the significance of habits, nutrition, and sleep in achieving peak performance. She emphasizes the importance of mindset, the role of failure in learning, and how gratitude can enhance performance.

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Hi. I'm Lisa from Cedar Rapids, Iowa, and I play

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at Airport National Golf Course.

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Welcome to golf Smiter.

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Hi. This is Mark Mason from Wahawa, South Carolina. I

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played my golf at o'conny Country Club and this is

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Golf Smarter Episode one twenty two.

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Here's the extra little bit of bonus to those of

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us that are athletes. Grateful athletes perform better, so we're

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actually seeing gratitude as a performance enhandser that gets us

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closer to success. So if you have two golfers who

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are similar in levels of ability, but one of them

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walks through last with a lens of gratitude and says,

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isn't it wonderful that I get to play on this course?

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How fortunate am I? People often say me, why do

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you think gratitude is performance and hancster and I think

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one of the reasons is you cannot be grateful and

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complain at the same time, Like those two things do

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not go hand in hand, getting on what I call

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the complaint train. My shots are terrible today and I

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can't believe that it's cloudy and it's a bit hotter

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than I thought, and people in front are too slow,

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and there's people going too quickly behind us, and all

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that sort of stuff that already sounds like the sort

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of person I don't really want to spend a couple

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of hours with. But it also doesn't put you in

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a mindset that sets you up to being open and

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created and curious, which we know of those things that

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go help us in terms of performance. When we are grateful,

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it's almost like an internal little sigh where we relax.

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Complaining and winging is tense. Gratitude is an absolute winner

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for us in terms of performance enhancement.

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The practices of elite athletes that will help all amateur golfers.

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With doctor Joe Lucas, this is golf s Murder, sharing stories,

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tips and insights from great golf minds to help you

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lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Welcome to the Golf Murder Podcast.

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Joe Ah, Hi, Fred, good to be with you.

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It's great to be with you. We've had doctor Joe

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on many times in this show, but it was doctor

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Joe parent It's great. It's great to have doctor Joe.

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Luken's on. A woman who has a really good book

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called The elite think like an athlete, succeed like a champion.

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I am fascinated and I want to go real deep

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with this. I think it's a great topic, especially for

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the golf Smarter audience.

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Yeah, thank you, Fred, looking forward to the conversation.

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So, you know, elite athletes have this routine. I guess

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that it would be called that would be prepare, train, compete, Prepare, train, compete,

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and it just goes on. And that is the cycle

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that they're in, right, And how did you get to

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that point under stid where you're going.

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With the book? Yeah, So the book's come of about

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after a number of years of working in the area.

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Like you said, it's that Prepare, Train, compete. And then

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the extra element that I like to put in with

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that is part of that preparation is to learn from

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the competition, you know. So my two favorite reminders for athletes, coaches, teams,

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you know, whomever I might be working with, is to

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always remember that success leaves clues. So when we have

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been successful in our performance, as successful in our practice,

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you know that hasn't come about by accident. So there's

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the little clues that sit in behind that. So understanding

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the clues so we can rinse and repeat them, and then,

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of course, when things don't quite great, a plan, which

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is also part of what it is in golf and

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in other sports as well. It's understanding that there's always

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a lesson on offers, so if we're wise, we'll stop, plause,

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learn the lesson, and then hopefully we can we can

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improve from that. So I guess Elite was the first

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book that I wrote, and it really was design. I

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guess it was a bit of a reflection piece for

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me in some ways. You know, it's what if I

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learned from working with the elite athletes and performers that

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I've worked in throughout my career, because I work in

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a brained domains and sports in my country, and so

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it's really been about what have I learned, and then

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what are those lessons that we can translate for anyone,

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whatever their discipline might be. And you know, even for

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the non athletes out there. You know, I know that

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you don't need to be an elite athlete to think

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like one, So we can translate some of those lessons

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and that's certainly some of the things I get to

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do in the work that I do.

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Well. I'm glad that you said, you don't have to

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be the elite athlete to think like one, And I

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think that's part of what golf smurder has always been about,

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is how to fine tune our mental approach to the

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game and our emotional approach to the game so that

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we don't have to just focus on our mechanics.

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Yeah. I would agree with that because I think that,

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you know, when we approach our sport in a way

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that is curious and we're open to learning, you know,

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it really sets us up. I mean, I think it's essentially,

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you know, there's probably a lot of goals that we

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set for ourselves, and particularly within golf, there's lots of

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things that people would be working on and wanting to

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achieve and to attain. But if you can walk away

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from it feeling like you've had some success in particular areas,

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it's just very satisfying. And I guess that's what Keys is.

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Going back to play again.

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Tell me your background on how you got to this

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and what made you study athletes in this way.

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Yeah, so you would think that being a high performance

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psychology expert, that was all part of a cunning plan,

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but it turns out that it wasn't it. Actually I

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got here by accident. To be honest, I as a

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young high school student, I thought I was joining the

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police force. So you might have picked up the audience

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might have picked up for my accent that I'm Australian,

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Australian based and as a young high see I don't

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think my accident accent is that pronounced, but anyway, I'm

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sure it is.

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It is.

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It is, okay, I'll try not to be too strine

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with it then, so we no, No, it's okay. It

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can be a little harsh with our sounds sometimes the Aussies.

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So I started, I thought I was going to join

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the police force, and so my parents used to take

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me to the information nights down at the police Academy

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near where I grew up. I if, for those who

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are familiar with Australia, if you look sort of top

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right hand corner, that's where I'm located there, just off

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the barrier reef, which is a nice part of the

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world to be living. And so yes, Mum and I

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would go down to the police Academy would get information

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on how I was going to join the police force.

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When I finally finished high school and in my grade

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twelve year, my final year of high school. As I

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was walking across the campus a police officer was walking

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in the opposite direction and he just stopped me mid

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stride and he said to me, what are you doing here?

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And I said, I'm coming to join the police force.

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And he looked at me and he said, well, what

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degree are you going to do? And in Australia you

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don't need a degree to join the police force, and

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you certainly didn't back in the nineteen eighties. I was

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looking to do it and I said, oh, I didn't

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know that I need to. What do I need to do?

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And he said, we'll just do something to do with people,

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and I said okay. And so, being a good child

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of the eighties, I went back to my school. I

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went back to the guidance officer and said, you know,

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I need to do a degree. It's got to be

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something to do with people. He said, what about psychology.

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I said that sounds good, and so I went and

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did a psychology degree. And I think probably for the

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good people of Queensland where I live. I don't know

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what sort of police officer I would have been, but

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I studied psychology. By the end of my fourth year,

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I'd found my love of sports psychology particularly and Australia,

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you know, like it is in the US, is very

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much a sports loving country, so there's lots of opportunity.

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There's national teams within the region that I live in.

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And now that I've spent sort of over three decades

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working in sports psychology, you know, I travel a lot

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around Australia. I have athletes from all different kinds of sports,

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teen sports, individual sports, and so forth. So that's where

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that all came about. And then about twenty five, twenty

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seven years deep into my work, I thought, you know what,

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and someone once said to me, if there's advice you're

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continually giving out, then think about putting it into a book,

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because that's a way to reach more people. So that's

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how The Elite came about. And I did a little

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bit of research into how to write a book and

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how to get that out there. Turns out that's a

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whole other adventure, and so The Elite was written and

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I'm continuing to refine that process. So I'm actually just

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about to release book number five.

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So wow.

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But the Elite is it's the one that I talk

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about the most. It's the one that has the broaders readership.

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And in addition to my work in sport, I also

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work in the Australian Defense Force. So many of our

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incredible defense members in Australia have have read The Elite

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and we include that as part of the education pieces

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that I deliver into the Defense Force as well.

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Fabulous fascinating background and what bright took you from police

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work and training and you know, getting that psychology, how

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did you get to sports? So I will opened those doors.

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Yeah, So there was my super In our fourth year

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of our degree, we I was given the opportunity to

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do an honors program and in that you need to

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do a set body of work and some set research.

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And it was actually my supervisor who I went to.

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She was someone who taught me through my degree. I

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really gravitated to her. I liked the way she thinked,

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I liked the way she challenged me. And her particular

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area of interest was child psychology. And so whilst I

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didn't specifically want to go into child psychology per se,

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we were talking one day and she said, you know,

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you could always do it in an area that interests you,

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that involves children. So my very first research was with

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It was probably the bravest research I've done in my

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career because I worked with eight year olds and ten

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year olds. So every one who's ever spent time with

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eight year olds and ten year olds, I've raised two

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of them. But you know, I love children of that

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age because they really don't have the filter that many

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of us learn as adults. So I looked at I

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compared children's levels of self esteem, and depending upon their

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self esteem, whether their self esteem was higher or lower,

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whether that had an influence then on how they would

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explain their relative successes and disappointments in sport. And it's

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probably no surprise to the audience listening that those children

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who had higher levels of self esteem would tend to

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attribute their successes in a more complimentary way to themselves.

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They'd think it was because of their ability. They'd see

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it because of their effort, whereas children with lower self

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esteem would say, you know, well, I was just lucky

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that day and competition wasn't very hard, and those sorts

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of things. So I was really curious about how children

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explain the world. I've always been interested in those levels

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of attributions, and that's always been an area of interest

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for me, and then that developed further from there and that.

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Took you to professional athletes.

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It did.

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So I live in the re of Australia, as I said,

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sort of top right hand corner of Australia, and at

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that point in time, not long after I graduated, I'm

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a big fan of I don't know if you remember Fred.

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In nineteen ninety six, Gwyneth Paltrow was in a movie

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it was Sliding Doors, and the Sliding Doors movie was

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all about I think in that movie it was whether

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or not she took a subway, you know, she got

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the subway or she missed the subway. In the movie

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sort of split down the middle and it showed her life.

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And the Sliding Doors moment for me, apart from the

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police officer stopping me. You know, six or seven years earlier,

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was that a new football team came to our region

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and they didn't have a sports psychologist there. There wasn't

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actually anyone working in sports psychology in our town. And

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with all the bravado and gusto that you might have

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at the age of I think I was about twenty

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five at the time, of course, I thought I could

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do it, so I I you know, fortune favors the Brave,

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I guess, and so I ended up speaking with the

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head coach there and was appointed and stayed with that

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team for twenty six years.

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I actually have been to Brisbane in the early to

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mid nineties. I was there with the National Basketball Association.

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They oh, there you got.

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They had a fan event and they wanted me to

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come along to do my thing over there.

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So oh fantastic it was, and I loved it.

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I've been begging my wife, come on, come with me,

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Let's go back to Australia. Playah A.

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I grew up just north of Brisbane, so okay, yeah,

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I work with Australian Busball Association, so there you go.

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Lots of connections, lots of connections.

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That's great in the elite. The one of the things

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that really stood out to me, And I wish I

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would have known this as a young person, not just

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through sport, but in life as the failure the way

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you describe it here, failure is not the opposite of success,

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but an integral part of it. I wish I would

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have realized that not succeeding isn't necessarily failure. It just

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breeds experience and it is what gets you to success.

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Absolutely, it's the pathway for learning. I think, you know, like,

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of course, we would all prefer to have success come

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away first time around. That would be you know, that

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would be wonderful if that's what happened, But I guess

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that's not the reality of the world that we live in.

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And you know, and golf is certainly one of those

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sports that there is so many opportunities to learn along

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the way and to gain wisdom whilst you're playing and

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whilst you're practicing. So I think it's I think, as

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you say, it's broader than what we do within our sport.

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It's how we approach life and when we understand that

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when the disappointments come, it isn't so much what happens

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to us. It is about what we do with it.

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And so when we see those disappointments, and it's okay,

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if you know, if it hurts for a little bit,

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if we kind of feel like we're a bit bruised

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from the experience, so give us seals permission to take

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a deep breath, you know, give ourselves permission to be

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a bit annoyed by it, if that's what we feel

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that we are. But what we need to do, then,

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is to put ourselves on a pathway with what I

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would call a performance mindset rather than fixed mindset. That

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you know, failures, disappointments, all those sorts of things. Failures

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is a word I don't typically try to use that

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too often for myself, but I do recognize the challenges

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and the disappointments when things don't go my way, and

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then go, well, here's life giving me a chance to

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learn something here. I wonder what the lesson is.

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What separated golfers from other athletes From your research.

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I think golf is a sport. I mean, I think,

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of all, there's so many sports that have such a

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strong mental component, but I think golf is for me.

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And I guess my experience with golf goes back to

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ramp at the time I thought I was joining the

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police force. Was I did in Australia. The subjects often

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referred to as PE or physical education, and we did

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a golf unit in my grade twelve years so that's

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when I first was introduced to golf for myself. But

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I've grown up with my father's played golf all of

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his life, so we're a golfing family. I have two sons,

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you know, they play golf, and I play a little

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bit of golf as well, and I am very much

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know every expert was once a beginner, and I am

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very much consider myself in the beginner ranks. But that's okay,

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that's what it is with golf. But I think the

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thing with golf is because it's you know, it's a

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sport where you play it over an extended period of time.

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So over the course of a couple of hours each

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time that you go out to play, you know, you

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have a lot of time to think, you have a

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lot of time to be inside your head, if we

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want to use that sort of expression. And so it's

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such a great opportunity to be mindful about the way

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we choose to speak to ourselves because there's no doubt

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that there's that relationship between what we say and how

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we feel, and how we feel is really what drives

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what we do. You know, So if something doesn't go

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to plan on the course, you know you're driving and

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it's not you know you're driving. You know you've had

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a couple of instances, over a couple of holes where

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it hasn't quite been what you've wanted. If your self

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talk is, for example, oh my driving is no good today,

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Then it sounds like you've actually set the scene for

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what's going to happen in the future in addition to

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what's happened in the past. So it's that challenge, isn't it,

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of going well? Okay? So it's true that for the

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last three holes that hasn't been the way that I've

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wanted it to. But I've still got six holes in

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front of me? So how can I think about this

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in a little more helpful way? And I think one

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of the phrases that I guess, the framework that I've

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found that's particularly useful for a lot of the athletes

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that I work with, but also for myself is to

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look at it through the lens of what's going to

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be helpful right now. So you know, when I've worked

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with golfers, it's really been about, you know, in light

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of where I'm at right now, in light of what's

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been happening, about how I'm feeling, what's the most helpful

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approach for me moving forward? And if you can move

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your self closer to the helpful, then you know you're

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less likely to go down a path where you're maybe

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negative or self deprecating in a way that doesn't get

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you closer to the goals or the success that you're

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looking for.

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And what can be helpful right now? I mean I

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frequently have said that the history has nothing to do

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with golf. When people start, oh boy, I can't drive today,

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I'm not it's not working. It's like, well, that has

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nothing to do with your next shot. And if you

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place that in your head and start telling yourself that,

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then you're doomed. So just go just close your eyes, relax,

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go through your your preshot or whatever it is that

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you need to do, but focus on what's next. Stop

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you know, eating yourself up.

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Basically exactly. And I would completely concur with that, Fred,

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because you're right, that self fulfilling prophecy that we create

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for ourselves. If we say my putting's no good today,

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or you know, I can't get shot in or whatever

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that might be, then don't be surprised when you replicate it.

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Because of course, one of the other things we know

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is that what we tell ourselves as humans, For many

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of us, we do think in visuals, so we are

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more likely to you know, if we talk to ourselves

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in a way that's less helpful in golf, And I

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don't even want to put the negative thoughts in anyone's

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mind as I'm talking through this, So I typically go

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to a different sport for this example, if I may. So,

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if you are a track hurdler, you know, and you're

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lined up at the start of the race, it's not

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going to be helpful for you to think, don't hit

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the hurdles, don't hit the hurdles, because you actually get

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that visual that image of the hurdles going down. What

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you would be what's more helpful is to go, well,

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you know, as I approach the hurdles, like clear the hurdles,

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like clear the hurdles, like clear the hurdles. So the

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same applies in golf. That as you said, it might

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be about your preshop routine. It might be about a visualization.

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There might be a cue word you say to yourself, well,

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maybe you just simply exhale and you don't think about

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any thing. You know, some performers that I work with,

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you know, they like the verbal cues for themselves. Others

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just say I don't actually want to think about anything.

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I just want to feel my way through it. So

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we all have to find our own pathway. But I

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do think it's you tapped into the probably one of

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the most important elements in sport, but particularly in golf,

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it's that understanding as humans, we've got three dimensions of

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time that we operate in, Like you said, our history,

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what's happened, what's happened to everything right up to this moment,

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what's happening in this current moment right now, and then

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what does it look like in our future? And physically

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we can only be in one of those spots, and

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that's in the present because unless we've got a time machine,

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which would be kind of cool, but we don't have one,

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you know, So we can't go back to this morning,

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we can't go ahead to the weekend, you know, whenever

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it might be sometime in the future. So physically we

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can only ever be in the present. But mentally time travelers.

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Mentally you can take yourself to wherever you want to be.

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Like you said, you could be thinking back to what

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happened that on the first hole, or you could be

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thinking about what's going to happen when you get to

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the clubhouse or whatever it might be. But the challenge

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for athletes, the challenge for golfers is to have their

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head in the right place at the right time. And

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to your point, you know, I would envisage that at

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the moment of taking the shot, and please, this is

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now your expertise, because you haven't brought me on here

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for my golf expertise more than my mental expertise. But

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my expectation would be around the time that you are

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taking the shot, you know, your focus does become far

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more narrowed. You may have gone into the past as

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you were selecting your club. You may look into the

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future as you survey the hole in front of you

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and you pick up on the distance and the hazards

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and the you know where you're hoping that the first

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shot is going to go. But at the point where

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you're actually taking the shot, my expectation would be that

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your focus sort of narrows a little bit in terms

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of time, and it's about being in the moment and

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however you need to spend the time in that moment. So,

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as I said, it could be through instruction to yourself,

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it could be through an image, it could be through

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a breath, whatever it might be. We've all got our

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own strategies, but it's how we navigate past present and future.

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That really helps to define then whether we've got our

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head in the right place at the right time.

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Regularly when I'm playing with someone in there or even myself,

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don't hit the water, don't hit the water. Don't hit

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the water. I always, you know, like chime in and say,

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you know, the last three words you just said, hit

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the water, hit the water, hit the water, and they're

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like what oh yeaheah, yeah, don't even just focus somewhere else.

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Absolutely, And I think the good reminder there is is

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that our brain struggles with the word don't. Your advice

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is so wise there. It's almost like if you can

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imagine those four words, it's written down on a page,

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put a big line through the don't because your brain

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doesn't hear it, you know. And if we go you know,

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my go to example, which probably resonates well for you

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at the moment, is I say, you know, don't think

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about the Eiffel Tower, you know, and when we don't

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think about the earful tower, boom, there it is, you know,

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right there in front of us that we do think

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in visuals and so you know, it's that extra little

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bit of work that we need to do to tell ourselves. So, okay,

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we know we don't want to hit it into the water,

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So where do you want to hit it? You know?

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And if it's down the fairway, down the fairway is helpful.

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Three words not in the water is the unhelpful ones.

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So it's and that translates across life, doesn't it. You know,

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you have a three year old in your lund room

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with a glass of water and you tell them not

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to spill it, and then you wander way. You end

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up with water all over your floor, you know. So

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what you need to say is careful hands, you know.

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So so, and that's when we're instructing others, but it's

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also when we're talking to ourselves because when we have

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a don't phrase in our mind, we've then got to

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do all that extra work and you know, transfer it

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back to what the actions are actually going.

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To look like exactly exactly. So the subtitle of the

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subtitle of the Elite, think like an athlete, succeed like

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a champion would be the subtitle of the Elite. But

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the next one is the one that really got my attention.

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That's ten things the elite do differently. Can we break

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those down?

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Yes, yes we can. Please yes, and I mean, certainly

467
00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:34.319
that's what I've done in the book is so, and

468
00:23:34.920 --> 00:23:37.359
what I learned in my research about how do you

469
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.519
write a non fiction book is it seems that the

470
00:23:39.599 --> 00:23:42.119
general model is that you write a twelve chapter book

471
00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:44.720
with an introduction and a conclusion, and then you have

472
00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:47.400
your ten chapters in the middle. So the ten chapters

473
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.400
in the middle, and that's where I've broken it down

474
00:23:49.440 --> 00:23:53.519
into some of those key elements that my experience has

475
00:23:53.559 --> 00:23:56.160
told me is that when athletes get some of these

476
00:23:56.200 --> 00:23:59.079
things right and work, and they're all the work in progress,

477
00:23:59.119 --> 00:24:00.680
you know, So it's not like you can work your

478
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:02.400
way through the list and just tick them all off.

479
00:24:02.519 --> 00:24:05.119
Is that you know, for all of us, at whatever

480
00:24:05.160 --> 00:24:08.000
age we are, we're generally a work in progress. We're

481
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.160
working on some things. There's always something to work on.

482
00:24:10.920 --> 00:24:14.359
So those are certainly the ten key chapters there in

483
00:24:14.960 --> 00:24:18.200
the elite are the key messages that I really wanted

484
00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:20.000
to focus on in that first book that I wrote,

485
00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:21.640
because what I wanted to be able to do is

486
00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.119
translate some of the lessons of high performance so that

487
00:24:25.200 --> 00:24:27.440
anyone can read it and hopefully it's a very comfortable

488
00:24:27.519 --> 00:24:29.759
read for people to read. Or listen to the audio book,

489
00:24:29.759 --> 00:24:31.720
however they might want to do it. But you know,

490
00:24:31.799 --> 00:24:34.480
we've got those lessons there and we can dip into those,

491
00:24:34.599 --> 00:24:36.279
spend a bit of time with them, and work on

492
00:24:36.279 --> 00:24:37.279
our skill sets.

493
00:24:38.440 --> 00:24:40.559
But if it's a golf book, it's going to be eighteen.

494
00:24:40.279 --> 00:24:44.799
Chapters, well yes, yes, I'd have to make smaller chapters.

495
00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:47.440
So maybe the golf book that I write will actually

496
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.880
be eighteen Or as my son did the other day,

497
00:24:50.400 --> 00:24:52.920
I think he was avoiding doing something some chores at home,

498
00:24:53.640 --> 00:24:56.119
so he actually played thirty six so he had so

499
00:24:56.240 --> 00:24:58.400
much time the first time around he went around again,

500
00:24:58.480 --> 00:24:59.920
So that might be a thirty six chapter.

501
00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:07.640
All right, so let's start with I mean, I don't

502
00:25:07.720 --> 00:25:09.440
really care on what order it is, but I'd love

503
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:12.480
to get to these ten things that elite athletes do

504
00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:17.440
that we could learn from, not that we don't, but

505
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:21.440
you know, let's also put in perspective that most elite

506
00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:26.559
athletes are young people, right, I mean, whether the Olympics

507
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:30.759
or professional sports, they're between eighteen and thirty years old,

508
00:25:31.599 --> 00:25:34.759
and we're looking at them like their heroes or something.

509
00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:37.359
But they've got a talent or they've you know, got

510
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:42.000
a work ethic that puts them in a different place

511
00:25:42.079 --> 00:25:45.400
than most of us who have a work ethic for

512
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:49.400
our work, right, so we shouldn't try to compare or

513
00:25:49.480 --> 00:25:54.559
look to those people as guides for our lives. But

514
00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.000
with that said, what are let's let's break down the

515
00:25:58.319 --> 00:25:59.119
ten things.

516
00:25:59.359 --> 00:26:02.720
Yeah, So I think one of the first things that

517
00:26:02.759 --> 00:26:04.640
I would say is, and it taps into what we've

518
00:26:04.640 --> 00:26:06.799
been talking about, is about having a master plan for

519
00:26:06.880 --> 00:26:10.640
your mindset. So it's it's understanding some of those things

520
00:26:10.720 --> 00:26:13.079
we were talking about earlier that you can have a

521
00:26:13.200 --> 00:26:16.920
very fixed mindset around how how it is that you think,

522
00:26:17.440 --> 00:26:19.559
or you can be open and you can be curious

523
00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:22.440
and interestingly, in the next book that I'm writing, I'm

524
00:26:22.440 --> 00:26:26.279
talking a lot about curiosity, which which fits in really

525
00:26:26.359 --> 00:26:28.200
nicely with that notion of having a little bit of

526
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:31.640
a master plan around your mindset. It's understanding that the

527
00:26:31.640 --> 00:26:34.799
way that you think matters, if you know, which is

528
00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.000
such a simple concept in some ways, but it makes

529
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:41.880
such an incredible difference. And having that curiosity being open

530
00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:44.640
to ideas is that you know, what I've what I

531
00:26:44.839 --> 00:26:47.680
find is that when I meet curious souls, and whether

532
00:26:47.720 --> 00:26:50.839
that be defense personnel, whether that be elite athletes, whether

533
00:26:50.880 --> 00:26:53.880
it be you know, really experienced coaches that I work

534
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:59.359
with and so forth. It's about having that openness, that curiosity,

535
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:03.240
that flexibility in terms of thinking about being open to

536
00:27:04.079 --> 00:27:07.720
you know, so maybe maybe in my golf game, actually

537
00:27:07.759 --> 00:27:09.359
my putting is actually probably the best bit of it.

538
00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:12.759
But you know, so let's say my driving, My driving

539
00:27:12.839 --> 00:27:15.039
is where there is the most room for improvement. So

540
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:17.279
how's that for a positive reframe? So let's just say

541
00:27:17.279 --> 00:27:20.480
that's what that is for me. So exactly what I've

542
00:27:20.519 --> 00:27:23.480
just done there, see how I've really tried to positively

543
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:27.480
reframe that. You know, it's not the strongest of my

544
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.519
of my skill set when it comes to golf. And

545
00:27:30.559 --> 00:27:33.039
if I say to myself, well, I'm not good at driving,

546
00:27:33.759 --> 00:27:36.559
then that sounds quite fixed and it sounds quite permanent,

547
00:27:36.599 --> 00:27:39.240
and it doesn't sound particularly positive. But even just shifting

548
00:27:39.279 --> 00:27:44.599
that thinking slightly, I'm not good at driving, yet it

549
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:49.440
recognizes that possibility for improvement. And so I think one

550
00:27:49.480 --> 00:27:51.400
of one of the key things for us to have

551
00:27:52.079 --> 00:27:56.279
is that notion of that particular mindset piece. And I

552
00:27:56.319 --> 00:28:00.160
think that's what's that's what's really helpful for us to

553
00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:05.960
to start that with the approach around around our actual mindset,

554
00:28:05.960 --> 00:28:08.519
because we know that your attitude can be your greatest

555
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:11.559
or your greatest acquisition, or can be one of your

556
00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:12.359
biggest barriers.

557
00:28:14.079 --> 00:28:20.880
Absolutely, absolutely, and probably and again with golf, there's so

558
00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:25.680
little time that you're actually playing golf, and so much

559
00:28:25.720 --> 00:28:31.640
of the time is beating yourself up going over the

560
00:28:31.720 --> 00:28:34.079
last shot or worrying about the next one. Yeah.

561
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.680
Absolutely, And it's challenging, isn't it Because for many people

562
00:28:37.720 --> 00:28:40.559
who don't go down the elite pathway, which is the

563
00:28:40.599 --> 00:28:44.880
majority of golfers, this is the fun stuff. This is like,

564
00:28:45.160 --> 00:28:48.160
this is what you're choosing to do in your recreation time,

565
00:28:48.240 --> 00:28:51.319
and it's the skill that you're choosing to build. So

566
00:28:51.359 --> 00:28:53.839
we want to find those ways to find the enjoyment

567
00:28:53.920 --> 00:28:56.519
in it rather than spending ninety percent of that time,

568
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:59.359
you know, being frustrated and annoyed and like you said,

569
00:28:59.359 --> 00:29:02.920
beating ourselves up so that you can be really quite challenging.

570
00:29:03.759 --> 00:29:06.160
Absolutely all right, Where are we go next with that?

571
00:29:06.559 --> 00:29:09.119
I think the next one and I think this will

572
00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.880
resonate with what you were talking earlier about in terms

573
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:20.000
of pre shot rituals and routine is habits. Now look

574
00:29:20.160 --> 00:29:22.480
to be honest habit. When I go into a room

575
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:24.599
of people, and because I do lots of presenting, and

576
00:29:24.640 --> 00:29:26.480
I say, and I know we're going to talk about

577
00:29:26.480 --> 00:29:29.720
habits because I know how incredibly important they are. You know,

578
00:29:29.799 --> 00:29:31.960
about forty percent of what most of us do every

579
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.920
single day is on auto pilot. They are the habits

580
00:29:34.960 --> 00:29:37.400
that we have. If you think about brushing your teeth

581
00:29:37.400 --> 00:29:39.480
this morning, and let's assume we all brushed our teeth

582
00:29:39.480 --> 00:29:42.599
this morning, but your routine of brushing your teeth, what

583
00:29:42.640 --> 00:29:44.920
it was today is probably what it was yesterday, is

584
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.799
probably what it will be in a week's time. You know,

585
00:29:47.160 --> 00:29:49.599
how you know whether you stand at the base and

586
00:29:49.599 --> 00:29:51.960
whether you walk around the house looking for things, how

587
00:29:52.039 --> 00:29:55.200
you actually go through that particular behavior, how long you

588
00:29:55.240 --> 00:29:58.640
stand therefore, how effective a job you do, all those things.

589
00:29:58.640 --> 00:30:02.559
So we know that our habits are great because they

590
00:30:02.599 --> 00:30:05.000
save us from having to think. You know, I didn't

591
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:06.880
have to think too much about whether or not the

592
00:30:06.920 --> 00:30:09.200
decision to brush my teeth this morning because I do

593
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:11.880
it on autopilot. It's a habit that I have. But

594
00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:14.079
by the same token, we've got to be careful because

595
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.160
habits are awful because they save us from having to think,

596
00:30:17.279 --> 00:30:20.920
so particularly in golf, there is the opportunity to bring

597
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:26.720
in so many habits into the game itself, and as

598
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.359
you very wisely share with the listeners or you know,

599
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:34.799
however many so many episodes that you've been doing this

600
00:30:34.839 --> 00:30:37.799
for now is it is about those habits that we

601
00:30:37.880 --> 00:30:40.440
create for ourselves because they're the bits we don't have

602
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.519
to think about. And as we get more expert at something,

603
00:30:43.839 --> 00:30:46.200
what we're typically doing is we're just creating more habits.

604
00:30:46.519 --> 00:30:49.279
Because the more habits you have, the more automated you

605
00:30:49.319 --> 00:30:51.960
can make some of those things, the less thinking you

606
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:53.880
have to give them. You know, if anyone can remember

607
00:30:53.880 --> 00:30:56.920
back to when they first started playing golf and you think,

608
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.319
I mean, it's a cognitive sport as it is, you know,

609
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:01.839
like there's a lot of thinking involved in terms of

610
00:31:02.039 --> 00:31:04.480
there's a lot of intricacies and a lot of technique

611
00:31:04.519 --> 00:31:07.599
involved in doing it well. So when you're first starting,

612
00:31:07.680 --> 00:31:10.799
you can feel like you're running one hundred instructions through

613
00:31:10.799 --> 00:31:13.920
your head, which we know isn't necessarily helpful. But you know,

614
00:31:14.039 --> 00:31:17.640
over time, some of those instructions are less necessary because

615
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:22.119
through routine, through repetition, but also through habit they've been created.

616
00:31:22.200 --> 00:31:26.720
So habit acquisition is probably I think one of the

617
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:31.400
most important elements. It's not probably the most enticing of topics,

618
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:33.440
or people don't go, oh, I'm really excited to hear

619
00:31:33.440 --> 00:31:37.359
about creating habits, but there's no doubt that in our

620
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:40.960
lives that becomes incredibly important. And then of course it

621
00:31:41.039 --> 00:31:43.920
flows on to the other things that in some way

622
00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:46.240
have nothing to do with golf, but actually have everything

623
00:31:46.240 --> 00:31:50.000
to do with golf. Our sleep and nutrition, our hydration.

624
00:31:51.200 --> 00:31:54.000
I live in a very warm climate, so our sun's

625
00:31:54.039 --> 00:31:56.880
safety when we're out there playing golf and so forth.

626
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.279
So we know that all of our habits, you know,

627
00:31:59.319 --> 00:32:02.440
our habits work about how that you know we're in

628
00:32:02.480 --> 00:32:05.400
a stressful work environment, what habits have we created around that?

629
00:32:06.119 --> 00:32:08.440
Or our family environment is that stressful? And then ho

630
00:32:08.519 --> 00:32:11.240
dos that then flow on an impact? So I think

631
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:15.720
even though it's not the most meeting of topics or

632
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:19.519
maybe the most exciting ones, I would say that investing

633
00:32:19.599 --> 00:32:23.119
some time in understanding habits and creating great habits from

634
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:27.759
yourself really does set up that foundation for playing great golf.

635
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:40.279
Joe, you're on the Golf Smarter podcast. So topics like sleep, nutrition, hydration,

636
00:32:40.720 --> 00:32:45.039
some protection habits routines. Those are not rare to be

637
00:32:45.119 --> 00:32:49.119
discussed on this show. And so I'm just guessing that

638
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.720
either the audience rolls their eyes at me or they

639
00:32:53.839 --> 00:32:58.279
are in That's why they keep coming back to more,

640
00:32:58.920 --> 00:33:00.559
because we talk about things like.

641
00:33:00.519 --> 00:33:03.359
This absolutely, and I think it's challenging, isn't it, Because

642
00:33:03.400 --> 00:33:07.960
I know sometimes people wish there was a quick fix

643
00:33:08.039 --> 00:33:11.200
or wish that there was some little gadget or something

644
00:33:11.240 --> 00:33:13.960
that we can do. And absolutely, we've got lots of

645
00:33:14.000 --> 00:33:16.640
different skills and strategies and things that we can learn.

646
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:21.319
But literally the low hanging fruit, the things that's easiest

647
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:25.200
to pick, the things that are easiest to potentially change,

648
00:33:26.200 --> 00:33:28.519
other things that have the biggest factor, you know. So

649
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:32.480
I spend a lot of time with defense personnel but

650
00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.720
also with athletes looking at the topic of sleep because

651
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:40.400
whilst you know, excise physiologists and other specialists can give

652
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:43.039
us lots of great information around sleep, we also know

653
00:33:43.119 --> 00:33:46.839
that sleep is a psychological experience, you know. So sleep

654
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:50.559
sleep starts with a really big decision, And the really

655
00:33:50.599 --> 00:33:53.039
big decision is will I go to bed right now?

656
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.319
You know, it might be nine o'clock, it might be

657
00:33:55.359 --> 00:33:57.880
ten o'clock and so forth, and there we are sitting

658
00:33:57.920 --> 00:34:01.000
on the couch going I could go to bed right now,

659
00:34:01.160 --> 00:34:03.880
or hey, there's one more episode of the show that

660
00:34:03.920 --> 00:34:06.319
I'm streaming or that I'm watching, and so forth, And

661
00:34:06.359 --> 00:34:09.159
then that's the decision point. And you know it's easy,

662
00:34:09.239 --> 00:34:12.159
Like you know, it's easy at that point in time

663
00:34:12.280 --> 00:34:15.599
to go, you know, like we know people know the

664
00:34:15.639 --> 00:34:17.920
better choice. You know, we know that we're better off

665
00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.719
to get more sleep. And I can say that, like,

666
00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:23.199
you know, we're in different time zone, so it's early

667
00:34:23.199 --> 00:34:24.920
in the morning for me, So I could tell you

668
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.519
what a great idea it'll be for me to go

669
00:34:26.559 --> 00:34:29.760
to bed early tonight. But when I get to tonight,

670
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.239
at the end of a long day, when I'm fatigued,

671
00:34:32.320 --> 00:34:35.800
humans struggle. Even the wisest people won't make good decisions

672
00:34:36.320 --> 00:34:39.840
when they're tired and their glucose is low. So if

673
00:34:39.880 --> 00:34:43.039
we want the things that make I guess pack the

674
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:44.840
biggest punch, if we want to put it that way,

675
00:34:44.920 --> 00:34:47.320
or the low hanging fruit as I sometimes like to

676
00:34:47.360 --> 00:34:50.679
describe it, is that the biggest performance enhances we have,

677
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:54.679
or are those elements. It's what's our nutrition been? Am

678
00:34:54.719 --> 00:34:58.000
I rested, when did I last do some physical activity?

679
00:34:58.039 --> 00:35:01.559
You know, those elements become incredib important and once we've

680
00:35:01.559 --> 00:35:05.599
got those in place, then we can then we can

681
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:07.280
work on all the other stuff. But you know, it's

682
00:35:07.320 --> 00:35:09.599
so much harder when we're tired, Like try doing anything

683
00:35:09.599 --> 00:35:13.039
we're tired. It's it's such a struggle. And the other element.

684
00:35:13.079 --> 00:35:15.840
I work a lot with teenagers, you know, I sort

685
00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:18.519
of around that sixteen seventeen year old age group as well.

686
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.840
And if there's one thing that I can share with

687
00:35:21.880 --> 00:35:24.440
the listeners, and I know not maybe some people are

688
00:35:24.440 --> 00:35:27.480
listening who are sixteen seventeen, but there's certainly there's plenty

689
00:35:27.480 --> 00:35:30.559
of people listening who were sixteen or seventeen once. And

690
00:35:31.840 --> 00:35:34.440
you know, if this piece of information helps you in

691
00:35:34.440 --> 00:35:36.239
that decision making at the end of the day when

692
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.360
you're deciding whether or not to go to bed. There

693
00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:40.800
was some research conducted a couple of years ago now

694
00:35:40.840 --> 00:35:44.920
looking at teenage athletes, and that what that research particularly

695
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:48.599
looked at is that those athletes who averaged under seven

696
00:35:48.639 --> 00:35:52.000
hours sleeper night increase their risk of injury over the

697
00:35:52.039 --> 00:35:57.000
next twenty one months by seventy percent. So, you know,

698
00:35:57.639 --> 00:35:59.920
as golfers One of the things we want to do

699
00:36:00.159 --> 00:36:02.519
is we want to avoid our risk of injury. If

700
00:36:02.559 --> 00:36:05.239
we want to lower our risk of injury, lots of

701
00:36:05.280 --> 00:36:07.360
things you can do. You would have had lots of

702
00:36:07.400 --> 00:36:09.480
experts over the years and lots of advice Fred that

703
00:36:09.519 --> 00:36:13.719
you give around injury prevention for people. But one of

704
00:36:13.760 --> 00:36:15.320
the biggest things you can do is go to bed,

705
00:36:15.800 --> 00:36:18.239
don't be tired. You know, when we're fatigued, we increase

706
00:36:18.239 --> 00:36:20.039
our risk of injury. And I know that that's not

707
00:36:20.119 --> 00:36:22.760
the bright and shiny advice that sometimes people look for,

708
00:36:22.840 --> 00:36:25.840
but sometimes it is that. You know, it's that stuff

709
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.880
that we know, and it's just such a great way

710
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:31.159
to set ourselves up. If you want to get closer

711
00:36:31.159 --> 00:36:33.480
to your goals, whatever they might be, if you want

712
00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:38.440
to get closer to higher performance, fulfilling those factors sleep, nutrition,

713
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:43.039
and fiscal activity are They're really powerful things that we

714
00:36:43.119 --> 00:36:46.480
have at our disposal that we can do every single

715
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:48.440
day that will help us.

716
00:36:49.360 --> 00:36:54.199
I am so guilty. I get I you know, after

717
00:36:54.280 --> 00:36:56.119
my wife goes to sleep, I'm like, yeah, I'll be

718
00:36:56.159 --> 00:36:58.000
there in a few minutes, and then I turn on

719
00:36:58.079 --> 00:37:02.679
YouTube and it's hours later that I come to bed

720
00:37:02.840 --> 00:37:05.840
and it's like every you know, it's like, oh, this

721
00:37:05.880 --> 00:37:08.400
one's under ten minutes, I'll just watch this one. Yeah,

722
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.400
it's good. O. Wait, oh here's a six minute when

723
00:37:10.440 --> 00:37:12.880
I can do that? Oh, fifteen minutes, that's way too long.

724
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.159
I can watch that video. And I spend hours on

725
00:37:17.199 --> 00:37:19.320
YouTube when I should be going to sleep, and I

726
00:37:19.400 --> 00:37:21.440
know I should be going to sleep, and it's like,

727
00:37:22.440 --> 00:37:24.599
how did it become eleven thirty all of a sudden?

728
00:37:24.719 --> 00:37:25.800
Why am I still here?

729
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:29.239
Absolutely? And part of that Fred, Part of that Fred

730
00:37:29.320 --> 00:37:32.239
is you know you're making a choice. But part of it,

731
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:34.920
the other reason that makes it harder, it's a harder

732
00:37:35.039 --> 00:37:38.199
choice is because you're tired. And when we're tied, like

733
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.880
to be honest, and I'm probably going to sound a

734
00:37:40.880 --> 00:37:42.639
bit logical as i say this, but if I think

735
00:37:42.679 --> 00:37:45.679
about my reality, if it's in the evening and I'm

736
00:37:45.719 --> 00:37:48.760
sitting on my couch and I'm watching some TV, it

737
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:51.599
is so much harder to get up, turn off the lights,

738
00:37:51.639 --> 00:37:53.920
put the cat out, shut the door, go and brush

739
00:37:53.960 --> 00:37:56.599
my teeth. Climbing, you know, get into my pajamas, climb

740
00:37:56.599 --> 00:37:58.840
into bed. That's so much work. I don't even have

741
00:37:58.880 --> 00:38:01.480
to press next episode anymore on my remote because the

742
00:38:01.480 --> 00:38:04.679
streaming channel I used just flipped straight into the next episode,

743
00:38:04.719 --> 00:38:08.480
So no effort to get off the coat couch. But

744
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:11.000
getting up and going to bed is work. So I've

745
00:38:11.039 --> 00:38:13.840
got one little handy hint that worked for has worked

746
00:38:13.840 --> 00:38:15.599
for a number of people that I work with over

747
00:38:15.599 --> 00:38:18.159
the years, is and most people. The other trap is

748
00:38:18.239 --> 00:38:20.599
that most people have got their phone close by, so

749
00:38:20.679 --> 00:38:24.360
let's use our phone for good rather than for less good.

750
00:38:24.760 --> 00:38:27.000
And if I can, one suggestion that I found work

751
00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.440
for some people is to set your alarm clock to

752
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.360
go to bed, so you know that life, all life

753
00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:36.360
would be improved if you went. And I'll make it

754
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:38.119
up if you know that you'd be better off if

755
00:38:38.159 --> 00:38:41.280
you were heading to bed at ten pm, then set

756
00:38:41.280 --> 00:38:43.840
the alarm for ten pm. And when the alarm goes off,

757
00:38:44.199 --> 00:38:46.199
and this is what I talk about. I talk about

758
00:38:46.199 --> 00:38:49.440
habit stacking and how to do that. In chapter three

759
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:52.559
in the book, the tap was called success on Autopilot,

760
00:38:52.559 --> 00:38:55.159
but it's really about when the alarm goes off, then

761
00:38:55.199 --> 00:38:59.159
I go to bed. And I think the curiosity that

762
00:38:59.159 --> 00:39:01.880
we were talking about from chapter two that if you

763
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:06.320
can do that and say, well, look, it's not that

764
00:39:06.360 --> 00:39:09.480
I have to go to bed early forever. But let's

765
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.239
try it for a month and see how I go.

766
00:39:11.360 --> 00:39:14.480
Let's treat myself like a little science experiment, and I'm

767
00:39:14.480 --> 00:39:16.760
going to try one or two little changes. Please don't

768
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.280
try lots of changes, because it's way too much for

769
00:39:19.280 --> 00:39:22.119
our brains, and our heads explode when we do things

770
00:39:22.159 --> 00:39:24.840
like that. You know, I'm a very big fan that

771
00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:27.679
little by little, a little will become a lot. So

772
00:39:28.000 --> 00:39:30.760
you know, just making a small if you can. And

773
00:39:30.840 --> 00:39:33.000
I remember a soldier I worked with who brought his

774
00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:35.360
bedtime forward by about an hour and a half because

775
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:37.800
he was staying up close to midnight, and I think

776
00:39:37.880 --> 00:39:40.039
I think he changed his bedtime to about ten. He

777
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:43.119
said his first week was not fun because his body

778
00:39:43.199 --> 00:39:45.280
just couldn't adjust and it took a little while. But

779
00:39:45.320 --> 00:39:48.719
then after that he was waking up without his alarm clock,

780
00:39:48.800 --> 00:39:52.119
he was feeling like exercise in the morning, he'd pack

781
00:39:52.199 --> 00:39:54.559
his lunch and go to work. He was saving money,

782
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.239
like all these flow on effects, all because as he

783
00:39:57.280 --> 00:39:59.800
went to bed a bit earlier, So it could be

784
00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:02.000
how so, I'd say, if you're not sure, if you're

785
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.079
a bit doubtful, maybe give it a little try and

786
00:40:04.079 --> 00:40:04.719
see how you go.

787
00:40:05.880 --> 00:40:08.400
My wife is has got the skill that I wish

788
00:40:08.480 --> 00:40:11.000
I could do, and that just she falls asleep while

789
00:40:11.000 --> 00:40:14.239
we're watching TV right there on the couch. She'll just

790
00:40:14.239 --> 00:40:17.039
fall asleep and I'll and then I'll watch for another

791
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:19.039
couple of hours and then I'll go get ready for

792
00:40:19.119 --> 00:40:21.400
then I'll come out. Go Okay, it's time to go

793
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:25.519
to bed now, girls like she just just stumbles into

794
00:40:25.519 --> 00:40:26.119
bed like.

795
00:40:26.159 --> 00:40:28.960
Ah, that lucky. You keep power, that's for sure.

796
00:40:29.480 --> 00:40:33.800
Yeah, definitely superpower. You got any more of you know,

797
00:40:33.880 --> 00:40:35.880
we don't have to do all ten obviously we want

798
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:39.800
people to buy the book. But let's uh, let's let's

799
00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:41.079
do one or two more.

800
00:40:41.480 --> 00:40:46.559
Okay, So let's do uh. I think that one of

801
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:51.719
the other things that I've always understood to be true

802
00:40:51.960 --> 00:40:55.320
is that part of what helps with success in terms

803
00:40:55.639 --> 00:40:59.360
of apperforms. So let's let's go. I've got to to

804
00:40:59.480 --> 00:41:03.039
in mind that we could do. First of all, in gratitude.

805
00:41:03.719 --> 00:41:06.079
Gratitude is one of those things now, So gratitude get

806
00:41:06.119 --> 00:41:11.119
spoken of a lot, and often gratitude is spoken about

807
00:41:11.159 --> 00:41:15.039
because there is a considerable amount of evidence that tells

808
00:41:15.119 --> 00:41:17.679
us that when we look at happiness in people lots

809
00:41:17.679 --> 00:41:21.320
of things that can make us happy. But when we

810
00:41:21.360 --> 00:41:24.199
look at the biggest predictors of happiness, the two biggest

811
00:41:24.199 --> 00:41:27.159
predictors of happiness, ay, they're great, they're free, and they're

812
00:41:27.199 --> 00:41:30.760
easily at our disposal. It's been grateful and it's helping

813
00:41:30.800 --> 00:41:32.960
other people. Those are the two biggest things that we

814
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:34.920
can do that will just if you simply want to

815
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:37.519
let's even put the golf to one side for a moment,

816
00:41:37.760 --> 00:41:39.639
but if you simply want to be happier in your life,

817
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:41.920
be grateful for the things that you have and be

818
00:41:42.000 --> 00:41:44.000
grateful to the people around you. So we know that

819
00:41:44.159 --> 00:41:47.719
for sure, and there's in Australia and I'm sure it's

820
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:50.960
similar in other places in the world. You know, gratitude

821
00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:54.519
as an intervention, if you like, is actually taught in

822
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:57.559
the schools. It's part of we run what's called positive

823
00:41:57.679 --> 00:42:00.679
education programs, the science what goes well, and so we're

824
00:42:00.719 --> 00:42:04.280
trying to teach children that being grateful is a great

825
00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:06.440
way to start your day, it's a great rape feel

826
00:42:06.440 --> 00:42:08.599
good about yourself. And there's lots of evidence around how

827
00:42:08.639 --> 00:42:12.440
that helps in sort of many mental health conditions and

828
00:42:12.480 --> 00:42:14.440
so forth. We know it has an impact for people

829
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:18.639
with multi moderate depression. So gratitude is just a winner anyway,

830
00:42:18.840 --> 00:42:20.960
just in terms of making us happier within our lies.

831
00:42:21.639 --> 00:42:25.000
But here's the extra little bit of bonus to those

832
00:42:25.000 --> 00:42:27.039
of us that are athletes or those of us work

833
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:30.000
with athletes. Is what we're seeing now in the research

834
00:42:30.199 --> 00:42:34.360
is there is also evidence to support the idea that

835
00:42:34.480 --> 00:42:39.480
grateful athletes, grateful coaches, grateful teams perform better. So we're

836
00:42:39.519 --> 00:42:42.920
actually seeing gratitude as a performance enhancer. So it was

837
00:42:43.079 --> 00:42:45.320
enough in the first place that it makes you happier,

838
00:42:45.800 --> 00:42:49.199
but what it does is it gets us closer to success.

839
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:53.400
So if you have two golfers who are similar in

840
00:42:53.480 --> 00:42:56.599
levels of ability, but one of them walks through life

841
00:42:56.760 --> 00:42:59.440
with a lens of gratitude and says, you know, how

842
00:42:59.480 --> 00:43:02.320
great that you know, isn't it wonderful that I get

843
00:43:02.320 --> 00:43:04.760
to play on this course, that I have the time

844
00:43:04.800 --> 00:43:08.039
to do it, that I have the resources to play, that,

845
00:43:08.159 --> 00:43:10.480
you know, because golf is not the cheapest of sports.

846
00:43:10.559 --> 00:43:13.199
You know that I'm financially in a way that I'm

847
00:43:13.239 --> 00:43:16.519
able to do this and spend this time. How fortunate

848
00:43:16.599 --> 00:43:19.039
am I? And I'm in this? And usually I don't

849
00:43:19.079 --> 00:43:20.760
think I'll beat to too many golf courses where it's

850
00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.960
not a pretty place to look around and so forth

851
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.639
as well. So how good is that? And if you

852
00:43:26.679 --> 00:43:32.000
can play that mindset to someone who by defaults and

853
00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.239
the way I people often say to me, why is that, Joe?

854
00:43:35.280 --> 00:43:37.559
Why do you think gratitude is performance enhancer? And I

855
00:43:37.559 --> 00:43:39.960
think there's probably a couple of reasons. But one of

856
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:44.039
the reasons is that, you know, have you ever met

857
00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:48.440
a grateful winder or a grateful complainer? You haven't, as

858
00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:51.360
it's very you cannot be great. There's not many things

859
00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:53.679
that can't do coexist and do, but you cannot be

860
00:43:53.760 --> 00:43:56.639
grateful and complain at the same time. Like those two

861
00:43:56.639 --> 00:43:59.960
things do not go hand in hand. Try it now,

862
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:03.880
but I've never seen it. It's okay complaining and whinging,

863
00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.760
getting on what I call the complain train. You know, well,

864
00:44:08.039 --> 00:44:10.599
my shots are terrible today, and I can't believe that

865
00:44:10.639 --> 00:44:12.760
it's cloudy and it's a bit hotter than I thought,

866
00:44:13.000 --> 00:44:15.679
and you know, the greens are too short or they're

867
00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:17.840
too long, and they're da da da da daha, and

868
00:44:17.920 --> 00:44:20.360
you know, and people in front are too slow, and

869
00:44:21.480 --> 00:44:24.880
there's people going quickly too quickly behind us and all

870
00:44:24.880 --> 00:44:27.280
that sort of stuff. Well, that already sounds like the

871
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:28.920
sort of person I don't really want to spend a

872
00:44:28.920 --> 00:44:32.280
couple of hours with. But it also doesn't put you

873
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:34.880
in a mindset that sets you up to being open

874
00:44:34.960 --> 00:44:38.159
and creative and curious, which we know of those things

875
00:44:38.199 --> 00:44:41.039
and go help us in terms of performance. So I

876
00:44:41.119 --> 00:44:43.960
and I think physiologically it makes a difference too. When

877
00:44:44.000 --> 00:44:47.840
we are grateful, it's a happy place, you know. It's

878
00:44:47.880 --> 00:44:50.519
it's almost, like I say, it's almost like an internal

879
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:54.239
little sigh where we relax. Whereas if I'm not grateful,

880
00:44:54.320 --> 00:44:57.320
if I am complaining and whinging, I'm going to exaggerate

881
00:44:57.360 --> 00:44:59.599
it for those who are watching on the YouTube. But

882
00:44:59.679 --> 00:45:02.519
if you imagine for those who are listening, I'm scrunching

883
00:45:02.599 --> 00:45:06.599
up my shoulders, I'm furrowing my brow, I'm scrunching my hands. Like,

884
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:11.920
complaining and winging is tense. So my understanding of golf is,

885
00:45:12.159 --> 00:45:14.360
you know, you're probably not going to say, well, Joe,

886
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.079
your next shot, you go to a really good job.

887
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:18.000
If you completely tense up through it, you're not going

888
00:45:18.079 --> 00:45:20.880
to tell me that. So while we're thinking to get

889
00:45:20.880 --> 00:45:23.199
you closer to being tense rather than being relaxed. So

890
00:45:23.760 --> 00:45:26.519
gratitude is an absolute winner for us in terms of

891
00:45:26.639 --> 00:45:27.559
performance enhancement.

892
00:45:28.320 --> 00:45:31.400
Absolutely, and I think that's a performance enhancing drug that

893
00:45:31.519 --> 00:45:34.519
is not in jeopardy of being banned very soon.

894
00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:39.960
Absolutely. The thing is it's free. You can be listening

895
00:45:39.960 --> 00:45:43.039
to this podcast and almost momentarily, you know, thinking about

896
00:45:43.039 --> 00:45:45.559
the things that you're grateful for. You could be standing there,

897
00:45:45.800 --> 00:45:48.920
you know, maybe you are waiting for your tea time

898
00:45:49.039 --> 00:45:52.239
or whatever it is to start, and you could sit

899
00:45:52.280 --> 00:45:56.480
there sort of you know, worrying about something you can't control,

900
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.079
like the speed of the people in front of you,

901
00:45:58.199 --> 00:45:59.519
or you could go, well, this is a bit of

902
00:45:59.519 --> 00:46:01.519
extra time on the calls, and how beautiful is this?

903
00:46:02.199 --> 00:46:06.360
So that gratitude piece is really and yeah, I don't

904
00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:08.119
think there's any research in it, but I'm very sure

905
00:46:08.119 --> 00:46:11.199
that grateful people that are looking as well, so maybe

906
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:12.360
as that effect.

907
00:46:12.599 --> 00:46:16.000
Oh that's that's awesome. And I wanted to just make

908
00:46:16.039 --> 00:46:19.800
sure we cover part two of the two biggest predictors

909
00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:22.440
of happiness and you and let's go to part two

910
00:46:22.440 --> 00:46:22.679
on that.

911
00:46:23.079 --> 00:46:25.599
Yeah, so part two on that is helping others. So

912
00:46:25.679 --> 00:46:30.320
we do know that when we lean in literally to others.

913
00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:34.159
When we do things to make lives for others better

914
00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:36.920
or improved, or we assist them in some sort of way,

915
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:39.599
not only does that person get the benefit of us

916
00:46:39.679 --> 00:46:42.760
about help and assistance, which is a great enough reason

917
00:46:42.800 --> 00:46:45.480
to do it, but we also need to understand that

918
00:46:45.559 --> 00:46:49.159
it flows back to us. It feels good to help others.

919
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.440
There's a little dope mein kick that comes with it,

920
00:46:51.840 --> 00:46:53.679
and that fits in with one of the chapters in

921
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:55.440
the book, which was going to be the second point

922
00:46:55.440 --> 00:46:56.760
that I was going to make. And that's why those

923
00:46:56.800 --> 00:47:00.320
two go so well hand in hand, is because we

924
00:47:00.440 --> 00:47:04.400
know that people matter. And you know, if we're looking

925
00:47:04.400 --> 00:47:06.599
at this in terms of our success in golf, whatever

926
00:47:06.679 --> 00:47:09.079
that might be, or our ability to perform well in it,

927
00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:11.280
it is based on those people who are around you.

928
00:47:11.320 --> 00:47:14.000
Maybe part of your bolfing success is because there's other

929
00:47:14.039 --> 00:47:16.800
people in your life that helps carry the load at home. Say, say,

930
00:47:16.800 --> 00:47:19.800
if you've got home commitments and maybe are partners at

931
00:47:19.800 --> 00:47:23.320
home looking after people or animals or whatever it might be,

932
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:25.639
or doing something in the home that enables you then

933
00:47:25.679 --> 00:47:27.519
go and play golf, maybe you then do that in

934
00:47:27.519 --> 00:47:29.360
return for them so that they can spend their time

935
00:47:29.400 --> 00:47:31.719
doing the thing that brings them joy. You know, how

936
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:35.440
you manage your relationships is really critical to your life.

937
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:38.760
And we know that when we're engaging in sporting endeavor,

938
00:47:39.159 --> 00:47:41.199
we don't do it in a silo that when we

939
00:47:41.239 --> 00:47:43.800
could talk to others about it. And in golf, you know,

940
00:47:43.840 --> 00:47:46.639
we've always got friends who play as well and can

941
00:47:47.159 --> 00:47:49.760
talk for hours at a time. I guess about golf

942
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:52.039
and the intricacies of it and how it all works,

943
00:47:52.079 --> 00:47:55.920
but I guess human connection is important for us just

944
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.800
as humans. But when we're playing golf, it is one

945
00:47:58.840 --> 00:48:02.280
of those pursuits that we can really, you know, get

946
00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.599
that extra benefit and in terms of what that means

947
00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.800
for us in terms of our mental health and our

948
00:48:06.800 --> 00:48:10.920
well being, that connection with others doing a shared, hopefully

949
00:48:10.960 --> 00:48:16.079
fun activity is something that's really beneficial for us. And

950
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.440
we know that's another part of what will keep us

951
00:48:18.480 --> 00:48:19.039
coming back.

952
00:48:20.519 --> 00:48:25.199
Amazing. That's fabulous. Please tell us the names of the

953
00:48:25.239 --> 00:48:27.400
books that we should go find.

954
00:48:28.119 --> 00:48:31.679
Thank you. So I would start with the Elite. So

955
00:48:31.840 --> 00:48:36.199
the Elite is and it's written at a sort of

956
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:40.000
grade ten level, So you know, so fourteen fifty from

957
00:48:40.119 --> 00:48:44.199
age fourteen fifteen is probably a time when you could

958
00:48:44.199 --> 00:48:46.400
be reading the book. And the nice thing about The

959
00:48:46.440 --> 00:48:48.760
Elite is we know that people learn and read and

960
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.960
consume information in different ways. So I've got it there

961
00:48:50.960 --> 00:48:54.159
as paperback, as an ebook, and also as an audiobook,

962
00:48:54.400 --> 00:48:56.519
and it is actually me I did Actually it was

963
00:48:56.519 --> 00:48:58.280
the longest weekend of my life when I did it,

964
00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:02.000
but I recorded the audiobook that is also that was

965
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.320
also a test of perseverance. So I've got the Elite.

966
00:49:05.039 --> 00:49:07.079
Then in twenty twenty, I wrote a book called In

967
00:49:07.119 --> 00:49:10.360
the Grandstand and that is a parent's survival guide for

968
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.159
teen sports, so that there's lots involved in sports parenting.

969
00:49:15.199 --> 00:49:17.000
So that was actually you can probably guess the age

970
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.280
of my own children at the time that I wrote

971
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:23.159
that book. I also wrote an interactive journal which is

972
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.400
called The game Plan, and the game Plan goes through

973
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:29.239
the five predictors of high performance, and we've actually talked

974
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.719
about some of them on the episode today. And that

975
00:49:32.880 --> 00:49:35.920
journal is designed as I think that works best as

976
00:49:35.960 --> 00:49:39.119
the paperbacks then you can actually write in it. But

977
00:49:39.239 --> 00:49:41.559
what I've also put in that is I've put I

978
00:49:41.559 --> 00:49:44.079
think there's about twenty five QR codes in there that

979
00:49:44.280 --> 00:49:48.239
link to videos explaining concepts, so it's an extra little

980
00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:51.559
bit of individual creating. I guess through that. Last year,

981
00:49:51.639 --> 00:49:56.719
I wrote a book specifically for athletes and performers called Belief,

982
00:49:57.960 --> 00:50:01.280
and that's about building unshakable confidence. So I wrote a

983
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:06.079
book called Belief, and if I may show it hot

984
00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:08.440
off the press is my new book, The Whistleblower. So

985
00:50:08.599 --> 00:50:12.880
it is a mental toughness rule book for officials, umpires,

986
00:50:12.920 --> 00:50:16.800
and referees. So motivated by the fact that I've worked

987
00:50:16.800 --> 00:50:19.239
with a lot of referees and officials over the years,

988
00:50:19.280 --> 00:50:22.800
because we do know that it's a mentally challenging and

989
00:50:22.920 --> 00:50:25.880
tough area to be in. And also it's a little

990
00:50:25.880 --> 00:50:28.159
bit of a project of the heart because both of

991
00:50:28.199 --> 00:50:33.119
my sons are referees in their own sports, so that's

992
00:50:33.159 --> 00:50:36.320
what they've gone down, and well both of them have

993
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:39.360
actually gone down in the elite pathway in refereeing and officiating.

994
00:50:39.480 --> 00:50:42.519
So and look, I think a few people have read

995
00:50:42.519 --> 00:50:44.559
it and said to me, this is actually for anyone, Joe,

996
00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.960
and I said, I know, but I've specifically written it

997
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:48.920
for referees. So if you're not a referee, I want

998
00:50:48.920 --> 00:50:50.599
to read it, you'll just have to translate it in

999
00:50:50.639 --> 00:50:53.239
your head. But all the principles apply. And I think

1000
00:50:53.559 --> 00:50:56.320
that's the thing, isn't it, Fred That the mental side

1001
00:50:56.519 --> 00:51:00.320
of what it is to play golf applies across our lives.

1002
00:51:00.559 --> 00:51:03.000
So if we're working on our mental skills in our life,

1003
00:51:03.159 --> 00:51:05.199
it will translate across to what's happening for us in

1004
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:07.960
golf as well, So it goes both ways.

1005
00:51:08.519 --> 00:51:13.000
Yeah, and tell us about how we can follow you

1006
00:51:12.880 --> 00:51:14.880
or your URL and social media.

1007
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:17.360
Thank you. So if you can remember my name, you

1008
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:20.679
can find me. So it's doctor Joe lukens Jo and

1009
00:51:20.719 --> 00:51:23.760
that's l u k i NS so I have that

1010
00:51:23.880 --> 00:51:25.719
and I go under that for all my socials. So

1011
00:51:25.760 --> 00:51:30.440
I'm on Facebook, LinkedIn Instagram. My children tell me I

1012
00:51:30.840 --> 00:51:35.719
have a fairly average TikTok following. Aparently I could be

1013
00:51:35.719 --> 00:51:38.320
better at that, So I just tell them every expert

1014
00:51:38.760 --> 00:51:40.440
was once a beginner, and I'm still a beginner.

1015
00:51:40.960 --> 00:51:41.480
There you go.

1016
00:51:41.679 --> 00:51:44.519
And certainly, in terms of finding the books, they're available

1017
00:51:44.559 --> 00:51:46.639
on all the usual platforms of books. So wherever you

1018
00:51:46.760 --> 00:51:49.119
like to consume your books, wherever you like to get

1019
00:51:49.119 --> 00:51:52.400
them from, maybe you've got a great indie bookstore nearby

1020
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.119
that can get them in for you. If not, some

1021
00:51:54.159 --> 00:51:57.320
of the larger platforms can also find them for you.

1022
00:51:57.440 --> 00:51:59.719
So Fred, thank you for allowing me to share that

1023
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:01.000
with the listeners.

1024
00:52:01.960 --> 00:52:05.199
Well, thank you for sharing your knowledge and your experience

1025
00:52:05.920 --> 00:52:08.559
and your insights with us. We really appreciate it and

1026
00:52:08.639 --> 00:52:10.800
it was a great conversation. I really learned a lot.

1027
00:52:10.880 --> 00:52:12.199
Thanks Grett, Thank you, Fred,