Aug. 26, 2025

Utilize The Wait Time During Your Round For Increased Success with Dr. Izzy Justice

Utilize The Wait Time During Your Round For Increased Success with Dr. Izzy Justice
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Season 20

GS#1014 August 26, 2025 Dr. Izzy Justice returns to discuss the intricate relationship between brain function and golf performance from his new book, 'Your Brain Swings Every Club', which explores the cognitive aspects of golfing performance. Dr. Justice introduces the concept of 'chasing 10 hertz' to optimize mental states for better performance and emphasizes the importance of utilizing wait times effectively on the golf course. The conversation also discusses the intricate relationship between nonverbal communication and the brain, emphasizing how our sensory inputs shape our understanding of others. He draws parallels between golf and life, highlighting the mental challenges athletes face. He debunks common myths in golf, such as muscle memory and the small target theory.

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Hi.

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I'm Kurt Bonham from Atlanta, Georgia and I play at

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Eagles Landing. Welcome to Golf Smarter.

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Hi.

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I'm joe Yorke from Panavitu Beach, Florida. I play golf

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at Marsh Landing Country Club and this is Golf Smarter

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number ten fourteen.

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So I talked about this in my book where in

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my opinion, the reason golf in general, but putting in

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particular is the hardest target sport in the world is

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because your eyes are not on it. In what other

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sport are you trying to be so accurate, Like it's

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a four and a half inch target, but you're not

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looking at it. That means that your brain needs space

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that when it looks back down at the ball after

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your last look at the hole or whatever your target is,

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it needs low frequency, it needs space, It needs less

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traffic to be able to remember where the ball is

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going to go because you're not looking at it. Wait

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times in golf is one of the largest untapped opportunity.

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Why are you looking at somebody else? It's of no

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value to you. But if you want a higher outcome,

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if you want a better motor output out of yourself,

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you've got to use your weight times as a countdown

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to your preshiat routine.

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Use the waittime during year round for the greatest opportunity

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for increased success with Doctor Izzy Justice. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter podcast, Doctor Justice.

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Hey Fank, it's so nice to be back. Thanks for

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having me.

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Thank you for coming back. I haven't talked to you

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since twenty twenty two when we talked about Jyra Golf.

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I think we should start with you telling us what

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it is that you do and how it relates to golf.

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Let's get the base understanding here.

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Yeah. Yeah, Well, I've said this on your show before,

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and I've said it on other shows. But you know,

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this is very forrest gumpy, and I'm kind of making

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it up as I go along, and strange things happen

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at sort of every turn, and you know, the discovery

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and the exploration of what is happening in the human

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brain is still relatively new. If you look at all

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of the things that just from a human experience perspective.

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We're trying to understand how we travel, our diets, you know,

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our sleep patterns, all these things, technology a lot of

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that allow us to work and function, communicate. I mean,

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all these things we've made significant advances on, but we're

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still fred believe it or not. I don't care what

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people believe in in terms of when life started. But

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we're still literally learn to understand what's happening in the brain.

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And just to close the thought there, you know, it's

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been very hard to study the brain, honestly because number one,

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there's electricity in the brain. So what like, what are

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you looking at when you look at the brain. It's

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not like the heart or the liver. W you know,

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you can see things coming in and see things going out,

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and how do you measure electricity and what you know,

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how do you interpret what it is that you're actually

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looking at. And then lastly, you know, I have unintentionally

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sort of drawn this, you know, gap between clinical view

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of the brain versus functional view and think of clinical

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as you know, probably ninety five percent of all the

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work that's done on the human brain and the human

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experience is on the clinical side. I have all Zheimer's,

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have dementia, I have epilepsy. Something's wrong, and therefore there's

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a reason for me to go look and find what's

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wrong and then find a cure for it. That's not

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what I do or what I've been doing. I've been

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on the functional side, which is we're just trying to

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make a putt. I'm just trying to make a free throw.

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I'm just trying to respond to an email. Like what

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goes on in the human brain when we're just trying

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to be functional, when we're just trying to remember our

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best inventory of skills and past experiences and what we

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want to do. And so it's been an amazing discovery

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journey and I've just learned so much myself, and you know,

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I put it all together in this new book and

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or at least as far as as as I've learned

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thus far.

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What is your doctorate in? Are you a medical doctor?

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Are you an academic doctor? Let's understand that you started

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cutting up heads.

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Yeah, great, great question. No, I am not a medical doctor,

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never claimed to be one. I didn't even stay at

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a holiday in express last night.

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No.

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No, So you know my doctor has is in human performance,

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and I got it back in two thousand and seven,

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and it was still almost ten years before the technology

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was even invented. And I remember reading a paper. It

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was a soft peer review paper that I was reading,

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and this person talked about, you know, wirelessly looking at

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an epileptic patient to see, you know, are there any

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motor functions or patterns that lead up to a seizure.

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And so that was the context of this technology where

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somebody could stand six twelve feet away look at a

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human brain while something is going on. And this ability

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to do it wirelessly is the game changer because we've

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been able to look at the brain, but typically it's

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using an MRI machine or and you have to stand

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very still, you have to be horizontal, you can't even move,

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so there's no functional work that you can really measure

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or track if you're you know, using traditional methods. So

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when I could expose to that technology, I quickly pivoted

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and said, all right, you know what is going on

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in the human brain for example, you know when someone

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makes a free throw or makes a pot is there

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a certain pattern What's going on in the brain when

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someone misses a free throw or a potter? And I'm

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just using two examples, is there a pattern there? And

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lo and behold, I discovered along with you know, other

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studies that were done long before I came along, that there,

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in fact, is a state in the human brain that

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you know from an electric perspective, because electricity is the

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language of the human brain. Electricity is the language of

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motor function and fred if you think about it, it

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has to be electricity. It cannot be anything else. It

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can't be light, it can't be gravity, because just think

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about it. What else is so fast that it can

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allow us to protect ourselves. If I am walking and

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I see a lion, do I not need that visual

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input of the line to go to my brain and

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within a half a second turn around and start running

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as fast as I can. So there has to be

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you know, a top of a gas a modality that

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can work very quickly. And in the human experience, electricity

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other than light, is like the fast the second fastest mode.

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So electricity really is the language of the brain. It

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really is the language of mode of function. And so

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studying it and saying, okay, how do you get the

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brain to a state when it can use that electricity

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at an optimal perspective? And by optimal. I mean two things, Fred.

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One is you can access your inventory. So if you

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tell me Fred, for example, oh, I've been putting for

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playing golf for twenty years. Great, and I will ask you, okay,

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all those shots you've hit, all the putts that you

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made in a tournament or non tournament, where's that inventory.

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It's not on a Google drive, but it's on some

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hard drive in your brain along with you know, dozens

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and thousands and millions of other data points about your life.

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So you need access to it when you're about to

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make up put you know, the factory setting of the

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brain is your brain to retrieve your last worst one

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because it wants to predict, It wants to protect you

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from making the same mistake. Now, if that's a factory

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setting of your brain to remind you of your worst

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pot when you're trying to make a pot, right, should

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you not have the ability to say, oh, let me

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change that factory setting and let me access that inventory.

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So when the frequency, when the electricity generally speaking in

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the brain is low, it's vibrating at a low frequency,

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how access goes up because it just isn't enough. There

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isn't a lot of traffic And the second magical thing,

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and both in sports as well as life, that happens

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when electricity is low in your brain is that it

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amplifies sensory input. As human beings, we don't have five

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hundred and fifty. We have five senses, right, that's not

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a lot. But you know, there is an airport in

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our brain where it's called the sensory cortex where all

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of that sensory input goes, and it's always there, even

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when we're sleeping. It's there. But a lot of times

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that input is not processed by the brain because there's

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just so much other noise. So, for example, Fred, if

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you had a really really crazy day at work, you know,

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just a lot of stuff going on. You get in

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your car and you're driving home at the end of

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your day at five o'clock or whatever time it is,

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and you put some music on. The odds are by

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the time that you get home whatever it is, thirty

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minutes later that you're able to recall the music that

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was playing is almost a zero. But it was playing.

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The auditory input was there, but there was so much

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other noise in your brain. So by bringing that frequency down,

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you know, it allows us to for example, feel the

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grip pressure, feel the weight of the putter head, see

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the target, see how you want the bar to roll

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or where the ball you want the ball to start,

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and where you want to finish it. So those two

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magical things access to your inventory and just an applification

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of sensory It would happen when that frequency is low

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around ten to fifteen herts in your brain. So that's

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why I call it chasing ten hurts because that magic number,

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chasing ten herts is in life. That's what we're doing.

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We're always doing something to allow us to get to

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a point where we can enjoy a moment or be

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the best version of ourself in each moment. And ironically

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it's not a secret, Like how many people have told you, oh,

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I was the best version of myself when I was

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angry and agitated, Yet everybody says, oh, when it's calm

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and relaxed and focused and slow. Well, those are all,

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you know, lay labels that we're using to describe that stage.

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So we're beginning to de mystify how this brain works.

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And for a golfer, you don't have to be in

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that magical ten hurts for five hours. It's just fifteen minutes.

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I mean that's the amount of time in totality that

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you're hitting a golf shot. So it's a reasonable ask

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to say, hey, can you be in that state for

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fifteen minutes, non contiguously over five hours, that's doable.

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When you talk about electricity, my lay brain goes to

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charging my phone, goes to turning on a light, thinking Edison,

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thinking Tesla, And I don't mean the car. I mean

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Nikolay Tesla, the real inventor of right of this stuff.

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Are we talking about the same electricity here when you

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keep talking about that with our brain.

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Yes, it is literally the same electricity, real electricity. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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we even measure it using the same units of hurts,

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and absolutely it's the same electricity. And again, if you

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think of electricity on your phone or any type of

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a device or coming into a house, sure you know

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the power of it is that it does have this

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this this charge to it that allows you to transfer

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energy if you would, And we need that, We need

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that same energy for us to you know, function, especially

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motor function. I mean our ability as living creatures to

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move is central to our survival. That movement has to

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happen at an accelerated pace. I must be able to

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see something and say, oh, there's a big gully here,

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I'm about to step into it, let me stop walking.

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Or there's a snake walking by, let me jump over it.

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You know. So, for example, let's say that right now,

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as you're speaking, something over your right shoulder is itching you,

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and suddenly you feel like it's biting you. Well, very quickly, yeah,

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well very prickly. You'll take your left hand, you'll go

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to that spot. You'll you'll itch it, you'll scratch it,

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you'll you'll shoot it away. But just think about that moment.

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How did your hand know where to go? How did

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you find that exact spot to scratch? How did it

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know when to stop scratching?

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I mean, that's the question is why does my brain

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distract me away from what's going on that I need

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to like focus on a little dot my on my shoulder,

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because you know, you and I are looking at each

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other right now while were doing this recording, and the

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thing that's just made me hate doing is watching back.

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It's like all these things ticks and movements and scratches

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and things that I have while I'm having a conversation

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with someone. So it's you know, is that part of

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the electricity that distracts me away from it as well?

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like five eight, one hundred and fifty five pounds, has

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anywhere between I don't know, thirty to thirty five miles

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miles of nerves in their body. Every part of your

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physical body, your anatomy is in constant communication with your brain.

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You need to know if something' is itching you, if

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it's getting too cold or too hot, or or uncomfortable

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or all those kinds of things. And so part of

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our distraction is that when we you know, when all

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this information is going to the brain, we lose focus

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of what's happening now. I don't know if that's the

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bigger distraction. I think the bigger distraction is the world

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that we found ourselves in, where our devices now are

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giving us so much stimuli. Our brains are not designed.

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We talked about this three years ago, but our brains

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are not designed to consume this much volume of stimulation.

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I mean my brain has to interpret that, and it's

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interpreting that using lots of parts of our brain and

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so you know, our hippocampus, for example, is our memory.

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It gives context to what's going on. It alerts us

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that's nice, that's not nice, I'm angry, that's that's that

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makes me feel good. It you know, produces all of

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these you know, neurotransmitters and homones and and chemicals that

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are going on in the brain. So it's becoming I've

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said this, it's we're living a time reread now where

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I don't think it's ever been easier to be physically healthy.

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Like we can track so many buyer markers, our nutrition.

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There's so much high quality information of what we need

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to do to be physically healthy. Yet I don't believe

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in the history of our existence that it's ever been

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harder to be mentally healthy, just because there's so much garbage.

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There's so much stimulation in our brains that it's, you know,

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all of our good you know, values like empathy and

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compassion and kindness and listening skills, they're all getting compromised,

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not because we've suddenly become bad people or but because

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our brain is competing. It's competing between being present and

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noticing a frown on someone's face and say, oh, you okay,

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versus replaying the ten things that you have to do

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as soon as you get done with the conversation or

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before or after or tomorrow or yesterday. So in non

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reactionary sports like golf, oh my goodness, it's even a

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bigger challenge, rightow.

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So is your expertise and your thesis for your PhD

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was the brain in athletics in sports?

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No no, no, no, no no no. So all that

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came just in the last ten years you so think of.

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So around twenty fifteen twenty sixteen is when I started

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to look into the brain, right, So this was almost

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ten years after I'd already got my doctorate. So this

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was new technology. The reason I did not get my

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doctorate in neuroscience is because almost all of the programs,

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matter of fact, even today, are clinically based. I'm looking

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at serotonin levels to reduce stress or you know, to

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you know, almost every malaise about the brain is a

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target for a drug, right, And so a lot of

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these doctoral programs are funded by pharmaceutical companies and research

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and grants. They're designed to come up with some cure.

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And that's good, that's not a bad thing. I'm not

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judging that. But again, where is the money to be

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made by teaching someone how to get to ten herts

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without using anything? Like if I just taught you a neurohak,

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you know, like what we did last time. You know,

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for example, we can do one right now. So let's

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just do one right now. I want you to count.

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Don't start until I say go right. I want you

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to count from one to ten as fast as you can,

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and then do a pop and then go from ten

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to nine as slow as you can.

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Go ahead, one to three, four, five, six, seventy nine, ten, ten,

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nine eight seven six five four three two one.

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There you go. That is a neurohak. If I were

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to ask you how you felt going from one to ten,

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you'd say something like very fast, very agitated. But how

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did you feel like going from ten to nine slowly?

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Well, you made it easier. I'm looking right into your eyes.

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It was it definitely. I felt as I got lower,

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I definitely felt calmer.

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There you go. So that label that you just gave calmer,

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you are describing a low frequency. Now did you need

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any medication for that? You buy any drugs?

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No, not in the last minutes or so. But I'm

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highly medicated.

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That's okay, no, But my point is that studying the

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brain and coming up with these non evasive techniques, and

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you know, our answers used to do something like that,

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breathing techniques and those kinds of things. But technology now

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allows us to look into the brain and say, okay,

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how can you get somebody to that magical ten hurts

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using other forms? And you can by trial and error,

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like that technique that I just did with you, that

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ten fast and ten slow, that wasn't random. We did

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thousands and thousands of these scans to see, okay, which

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ones allow most people to get to that ten hertz

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and you'll be in that calm state, not permanently for

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the rest of the day, but at least for the

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next few minutes. And again in that calm state, two

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magical things are going to happen. Number One, your ability

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to access your own inventory brain functionality. Remember an article

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that you read, a video that you saw, a conversation

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that you had. Make your conversation richer, make you human

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experience richer by you know, inventoring what's in your brain.

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And the second thing, like I said, is just amplification

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of your senses. After you did that slow, countdown, and

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you ate something, I guarantee you taste more of it

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because that traffic is gone. So this model, I think

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is a model that I am advocating, is that all

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the traditional wellness techniques like yoga and meditation and mindfulness

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and working out and cooking and going for a walk

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and listening to music. These are wonderful things to do

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and people should do them and I do them every day,

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but they're not things that you can do on the go.

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So you know, it's it's our mental wellness is based

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on how can we fix things as they're happening. So

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I call it when the brain spikes. So, for example,

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if I started yelling at you right now, if I said,

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oh my god, Fred, you're one of the worst people

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I've ever met. This is horrible blah blah blah, And

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obviously I'm joking here, But if I meant that and

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you were like, oh my god, this is going awful

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in that moment, in that unpredicted moment of stress, you

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could do that count up and countdown and your response

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to my unfair characterization of what's happening would be better.

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You would have a response before, but you would say, ah,

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let me say this, let me say that, let me

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do it in this way. So this sort of fix

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it as you go model is what we as human

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beings need, but in golf it's also something that we

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can do. I don't have to be perfect three minutes

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before I make a putt, but if I'm ten seconds

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before making a putt and I can feel my brain saying,

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don't leave it short, don't need it too hard. Oh

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I just missed the last one I got to make this.

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That's a clue that Oh my gosh, now my frequency

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is higher. So in that moment, what options do you have?

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What options does the golf I have? Ye? I mean

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you could say, start your routine again, but how many

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times are you going to do that? Right? So these

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neural hacks, these techniques of getting that frequency down, not permanently,

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but long enough to execute the next thirty sixty ninety

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three four minutes to the best of your ability, is

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really the key, both on the golf course for athletic performance,

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but also in life.

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Playing golf gives us a great opportunity between shots to

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utilize these neural hacks. Is that a way to focus

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on this, is that a way to take advantage.

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Of this absolutely. So let me dig into something that

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I talked about quite a good bit in this new book.

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So as you know I have. This book came out

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back in May. The name of the book is Your Brains.

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Your Brain Swings Every Club. But I have a whole

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chapter on wait times. So for example, if you're on

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the putting green and you're playing with a foursome or

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a twosome, you know, and you're waiting for your turn

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to put, the overwhelming majority of golfers are going to

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watch the other player putt. And I will tell you

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that that is garbage input for your brain. Of what

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value is that information to you? You know, you're watching

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someone go through their routine. You're you're judging them, you're

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analyzing them. You know. Now, unless that put is identical

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to your line, you know, we're just, without even thinking

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about it, looking at somebody else that time. If you

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repurposed it and did not look at the at your

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fellow competitor, and use these nerraks so that by the

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time that you started your routine, that electricity was as

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low as possible, right, give you a chance. So I

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talked about this in my Burke where in my opinion.

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The reason golf in general, but putting in particular is

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the hardest, the hardest target sport in the world is

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because your eyes are not on it. Like in what

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other sport are you trying to be so accurate? Like

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it's a four and a half inch target, but you're

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not looking at it. That means that your brain needs

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space that when it looks back down at the ball

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after your last look at the hole or whatever your

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target is, it needs low frequency, it needs space, It

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needs less traffic to be able to remember where the

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ball is going to go because you're not looking at it.

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So wait times in golf is one of the largest

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untapped opportunities. You know, is why you're looking at somebody

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else swing a club. It's of no value to you

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now if you're playing casually and you're making fun of

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somebody else with your buddies and drinking, you know by

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all means. But if you want a higher outcome, if

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you want a better motor output out of yourself, you've

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got to use your way times as a countdown to

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your preshot routine and get that electricity down. Get it

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down by using techniques like the one that I just

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showed you.

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Oh my gosh, that is really remarkable stuff. I'm gonna

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go on to a different because I've been listening to

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this podcast lately and I'm just absolutely curious about this.

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If this has crossed your path with the electricity in

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the brain telepathy, Yeah, I don't know if you've heard

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about this podcast called the Telepathy Tapes or if you

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listen to it.

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I have not, but I have a general sense of it.

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No, check into it. It's absolutely fascinating. It's a woman

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who's a documentary filmmaker and she has kind of discovered

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and getting confirmation over and over and over again and

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surprising everyone that did it that nonverbal autistic people communicate

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through telepathy not only to each other, but to people

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that are close to them like their parents, and the

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parents were all, you know, they wouldn't admit it to anybody.

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It's like, I, you know, I can't tell anyone that

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this is going on, but I really think my child

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is reading my mind and then they're hearing other people

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going through the same thing. And I'm just curious where

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the electricity might be. If you know anything, I'm way

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off on this one.

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Yeah. So this is a topic that is a little

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bit outside of my area.

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I'm sorry. No, no, no, no no, but I highly recommend

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to everyone check out the telepathy tape.

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Yeah yeah, yeah no. But what I will tell you

457
00:26:50.920 --> 00:26:55.759
is that you know, well over ninety percent of how

458
00:26:55.920 --> 00:27:03.400
our brain interprets communication from another human being is nonverbal.

459
00:27:03.440 --> 00:27:08.039
To begin with, it's not verbal. Our eyes are constantly

460
00:27:08.119 --> 00:27:14.160
scanning literally every feature in somebody else's face, especially chest

461
00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:19.799
and above, but the whole body. Our auditory input is

462
00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:25.599
constantly scanning your tone, your volume, your enunciation, all those

463
00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:29.839
kinds of things, because it wants to give meaning and

464
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.079
context whether it's something is a threat or not. So

465
00:27:34.119 --> 00:27:36.880
our sensory cortex in the human brain is literally right

466
00:27:36.920 --> 00:27:40.440
next to the hippocampus, which is our hard drive. In

467
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.400
other words, the input that we're getting, you know, the

468
00:27:43.440 --> 00:27:47.319
nonverbal input, is right next to the place where the

469
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.920
inventory is there for us to make sense of it.

470
00:27:50.480 --> 00:27:52.480
So if you want to understand something and you say, oh,

471
00:27:52.559 --> 00:27:54.799
let me go google this, So you got to Google

472
00:27:54.839 --> 00:27:57.519
and you type it in, well, Google's got to go

473
00:27:57.799 --> 00:28:00.640
and search all the web to do give you a

474
00:28:00.680 --> 00:28:03.640
good answer as to what it is. This means our

475
00:28:03.680 --> 00:28:06.480
brain does something very similar only Obviously we don't go

476
00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:08.240
to the Internet, and we don't go to Google, but

477
00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:13.559
we're going to our hard drive, right, So I think

478
00:28:13.599 --> 00:28:17.559
they're phenomenon out there that we don't understand, so we

479
00:28:17.680 --> 00:28:21.079
give it a label that we use. But electricity needs

480
00:28:21.119 --> 00:28:26.279
a electricity. I mean, my first undergraduate degree is in physics.

481
00:28:26.359 --> 00:28:29.839
I understand how electricity enforced works, but it needs a

482
00:28:29.920 --> 00:28:35.240
medium to travel. Electricity cannot travel sort of wirelessly. You know,

483
00:28:35.480 --> 00:28:38.279
it's got to be some type of a medium. And

484
00:28:38.359 --> 00:28:43.319
so what we interpret as oh, I can I know

485
00:28:43.359 --> 00:28:47.720
what they're thinking. But the reason that thought comes into

486
00:28:47.720 --> 00:28:50.960
our head is because you know, we've taken all of

487
00:28:51.000 --> 00:28:54.279
these nonverbal cues. We've made sense of it because of

488
00:28:54.400 --> 00:28:57.839
patterns and those kinds of things. My mother, for example,

489
00:28:58.319 --> 00:29:00.720
in my own house. She passed away few years ago,

490
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:05.119
but my mother was ninety percent deaf. She was completely

491
00:29:05.200 --> 00:29:08.279
deaf in one ear and she was almost almost almost

492
00:29:08.599 --> 00:29:11.359
completely deaf on the other ear, and so she couldn't

493
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:13.440
hear us. And back then, hearing aids we're not that

494
00:29:13.920 --> 00:29:17.319
good either. So and she wasn't born deaf, she became

495
00:29:17.359 --> 00:29:22.400
deaf as an adult. But her ability to look at

496
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:28.559
us and you know, without hearing, communicating completely understand how

497
00:29:28.640 --> 00:29:32.640
we felt, how we thought we were, you know, was stunning,

498
00:29:32.799 --> 00:29:35.720
Like it was amazing how she would she was so accurate.

499
00:29:36.279 --> 00:29:39.799
But that's because as a mom, that inventory that she

500
00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.680
had for each one of her seven kids was so high.

501
00:29:43.279 --> 00:29:45.920
I mean, she basically has been looking at us since

502
00:29:45.920 --> 00:29:49.799
our first breath. Right, So that's what I mean is that,

503
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:53.680
you know, someone could call that, oh, well, she has telepathy.

504
00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.279
I would say, I don't know. I don't think it's that.

505
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:00.279
I think it's more that these kinds of people, all

506
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:05.799
their sensory input is so high. They're observing every inch

507
00:30:05.880 --> 00:30:09.119
of a non verbal input into their brain and they

508
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:12.240
can ascribe a good inventory to it and make sense

509
00:30:12.240 --> 00:30:15.119
of it. And so it feels like, oh my gosh,

510
00:30:15.480 --> 00:30:17.279
I know what they're saying, I know how they're feeling.

511
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.359
Sure, sure, well, yeah, I don't want to go down

512
00:30:22.359 --> 00:30:25.599
that path because I'm through your curveball that you weren't

513
00:30:25.599 --> 00:30:30.599
here to discuss, and so I apologize about that. But

514
00:30:30.880 --> 00:30:35.000
so you've written nine books now, three of them are

515
00:30:35.039 --> 00:30:39.720
about golf. Why the passion that we all share and

516
00:30:39.759 --> 00:30:42.599
the fascination of golf For your work.

517
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:46.160
Oh what a great question. Oh what a delightful question.

518
00:30:46.240 --> 00:30:52.079
Thank you, Fred. You know, if you I work with

519
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:55.920
athletes and coaches in many sports, and almost to a person,

520
00:30:56.160 --> 00:30:59.359
the coach or the athlete will say their sport is

521
00:30:59.400 --> 00:31:04.480
a perfect for life. And I think golf is probably

522
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:08.240
one of the more accurate metaphors of life. You know,

523
00:31:08.880 --> 00:31:11.000
first of all, it's a five hour round of golf,

524
00:31:11.200 --> 00:31:13.799
so it's an endurance sport, kind of like life is.

525
00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:16.480
It's a long time to be out there, and you

526
00:31:16.519 --> 00:31:18.960
have highs and lows in golf, and you know, you

527
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:24.119
have time in between, and just like life's events and experiences.

528
00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:28.279
But it's the ultimate battle between you and you, right,

529
00:31:28.480 --> 00:31:31.440
I mean, no one's playing defense against you, which is

530
00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:34.720
also life, you know, like it's really a battle of

531
00:31:35.319 --> 00:31:38.319
what's happening in my life and how can I navigate

532
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:42.359
this challenge or this situation to the best of my ability.

533
00:31:43.119 --> 00:31:45.640
And because golf is a stationary sport, right, I mean

534
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:49.119
I'm standing over a putt, over a drive, over a wedge,

535
00:31:49.519 --> 00:31:51.799
you know, it's a lot easier to study it. I've

536
00:31:51.799 --> 00:31:54.920
studied basketball players, lacrosse players, soccer players. There's a lot

537
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.599
of movement going on over there. So they're more difficult

538
00:31:58.640 --> 00:32:01.960
to study. You know, I have a son that plays

539
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.440
junior golf and as a dad, he's in college now.

540
00:32:04.480 --> 00:32:06.000
But as a dad, as you know, I don't know

541
00:32:06.000 --> 00:32:08.440
if you're a dad, Fred, but you know, we are

542
00:32:08.759 --> 00:32:11.279
the worst coach that kids are not going to listen

543
00:32:11.319 --> 00:32:13.880
to us, you know. So I had to figure out

544
00:32:13.920 --> 00:32:17.799
a lot of backdoor ways to understand my son, to

545
00:32:17.839 --> 00:32:22.920
figure out ways to help him. And you know, I

546
00:32:23.640 --> 00:32:28.440
am fascinated that in golf. You know, nobody seems to

547
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:32.519
be talking about the fact that what really makes golf

548
00:32:32.559 --> 00:32:34.839
hard at the end of the day, in my opinion,

549
00:32:35.119 --> 00:32:38.400
is that it is a target sport where your eyes

550
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.519
are not on the target. That means the role of

551
00:32:41.559 --> 00:32:45.920
the brain is off the charts. Your brain has to

552
00:32:46.599 --> 00:32:50.920
have space to recall the target. It has to take

553
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:54.279
very good targets that cannot be lost. There's a big

554
00:32:54.319 --> 00:32:57.960
difference when you say, oh, it's a left cup pot

555
00:32:58.039 --> 00:32:59.960
versus Oh, it's going to go over that little white

556
00:33:00.039 --> 00:33:03.720
blade of grass right over there. Those are two targets,

557
00:33:03.720 --> 00:33:05.559
but in the brain they could not be more different.

558
00:33:05.559 --> 00:33:09.480
I've measured them both. One is going to play much

559
00:33:09.559 --> 00:33:11.480
longer in your brain, you know, the one way you

560
00:33:11.559 --> 00:33:14.519
describe the blade of grass and it's going to go

561
00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.599
over where the other is much more of a technical

562
00:33:17.319 --> 00:33:19.519
It's a six thirty pot or a left cup pot.

563
00:33:19.920 --> 00:33:23.480
They're both targets, but one is significantly better than the other.

564
00:33:23.559 --> 00:33:26.960
And my definition of better is your brain can remember

565
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:28.279
it while not looking at it.

566
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.559
A lot of people think, a lot of golfers think

567
00:33:36.599 --> 00:33:39.960
that the more I practice, the better I'm going to perform.

568
00:33:40.400 --> 00:33:48.240
And I'm curious what your research suggests about the quality

569
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:54.160
of practice versus the quantity of it, especially from the neuroperspective.

570
00:33:54.400 --> 00:33:56.680
Oh my goodness, what a great question. And this has

571
00:33:56.759 --> 00:34:01.359
been one of the surprises for me really. Oh yeah, yeah.

572
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:04.359
And it pains me to say this because it is

573
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:08.599
such it goes against almost everything that we have been taught,

574
00:34:08.639 --> 00:34:11.679
which is, you know, practice makes perfect, The more practice,

575
00:34:11.719 --> 00:34:15.840
the better I get. And you know, especially since two

576
00:34:15.840 --> 00:34:21.440
thousands since COVID fred, honestly, the number of calls and

577
00:34:21.519 --> 00:34:24.400
text messages that I've gotten in coaches and athletes from

578
00:34:24.400 --> 00:34:28.960
every sport that are telling me explicitly, you know, hey, doc,

579
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:31.480
like you know, it used to be when we had

580
00:34:31.519 --> 00:34:33.280
a good practice, we had a good game, not all

581
00:34:33.280 --> 00:34:35.880
the time, but most of the time, there doesn't seem

582
00:34:35.920 --> 00:34:39.400
to be any correlation at this point between the amount

583
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:43.280
of time that you're practicing versus the outcome. Even at

584
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.880
the tour level. You know, people will be at home

585
00:34:45.920 --> 00:34:47.760
one week and say, oh, I had played really good,

586
00:34:47.800 --> 00:34:50.400
I had good practices in They go next week to

587
00:34:50.480 --> 00:34:54.000
the tournament and they're missing the cut. And so what's

588
00:34:54.039 --> 00:34:57.079
really happening is what I talked about earlier, which is

589
00:34:57.119 --> 00:35:02.480
that you know, there's a there's something called coating. Encoding,

590
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.280
in my opinion, is or should be the most important

591
00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:09.440
part about practice. So just give me a minute here,

592
00:35:09.519 --> 00:35:12.920
let me walk you through this logic. Sure, let's say

593
00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:17.159
that you hit one hundred balls right now. I will

594
00:35:17.159 --> 00:35:20.840
tell you where is that inventory all those balls that

595
00:35:20.920 --> 00:35:22.679
you just hit, the puts that you made, or the

596
00:35:22.760 --> 00:35:25.519
chips that you made. And I'll tell you that all

597
00:35:25.559 --> 00:35:29.559
of that inventory, the value of hitting one hundred balls

598
00:35:30.199 --> 00:35:33.159
is going to one place, and only one place in

599
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.480
the entire universe, and that's your brain. It's not going

600
00:35:36.480 --> 00:35:39.599
to your muscles, because muscles have no memory. It's going

601
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:43.920
to your brain. So if I had a great practice,

602
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.400
right and let's say from ten o'clock in the morning

603
00:35:47.519 --> 00:35:51.679
until twelve noon, I have two wonderful hours of practice.

604
00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:55.639
If I don't go through a process after that practice

605
00:35:55.679 --> 00:36:00.880
called encoding to make sure that that inventory is number

606
00:36:00.920 --> 00:36:03.840
one stored in my brain in such a manner that

607
00:36:03.880 --> 00:36:07.559
I can retrieve it. In my opinion, the purpose of

608
00:36:07.679 --> 00:36:11.840
practice should be I'm creating an inventory that I can

609
00:36:11.920 --> 00:36:15.760
access in competition. What else would you practice?

610
00:36:16.079 --> 00:36:17.280
Right? So how do we do that?

611
00:36:17.639 --> 00:36:22.199
Right? So that's called encoding. And so immediately after practice,

612
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:25.559
you know, because if at twelve o'clock I'm done, I

613
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:29.360
will tell you that whether or not those two hours

614
00:36:29.400 --> 00:36:31.800
of practice gets stored in your brain or not is

615
00:36:32.000 --> 00:36:34.920
highly dependent on what happens to you between twelve o'clock

616
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.599
and the time that you go to bed. So, for example,

617
00:36:38.719 --> 00:36:41.000
if at two o'clock you get a text message from

618
00:36:41.119 --> 00:36:43.320
your girlfriend or your boyfriend that says I want to

619
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:48.920
break up, all of that inventory is gone. Right. So,

620
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.000
and unfortunately we live now at a point where the

621
00:36:53.039 --> 00:36:57.480
only time that the brain is processing the inventory of

622
00:36:57.519 --> 00:37:00.760
the day is when it's sleeping. So I tell people,

623
00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:03.840
when you get done with practice, your practice is not over.

624
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:07.960
You should not consider your practice over until you have

625
00:37:08.079 --> 00:37:11.000
recorded what it is that you've done, use a selfie video,

626
00:37:11.079 --> 00:37:14.039
write it down, and then bring it back up in

627
00:37:14.039 --> 00:37:16.920
the last thirty minutes before you go to bed. Take

628
00:37:16.960 --> 00:37:19.400
that inventory and move it back up on the very

629
00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:22.159
top of the list that you want your brain to

630
00:37:22.239 --> 00:37:24.480
store at night. Let me go back to the definition

631
00:37:24.519 --> 00:37:28.960
of practice. The purpose of practice should be that when

632
00:37:29.079 --> 00:37:33.320
I'm in competition, I can recall what I did. If

633
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:35.880
you have a great practice, no matter how many balls

634
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:37.920
you hit, and you go to competition and you don't

635
00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:41.199
remember what you did yesterday or last week, what was

636
00:37:41.239 --> 00:37:43.400
the value of that practice?

637
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:44.159
None?

638
00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:49.079
So encoding, which I talk about at length. There's a

639
00:37:49.119 --> 00:37:54.599
whole chapter about this, is that practice without encoding is. Unfortunately,

640
00:37:54.639 --> 00:37:56.119
it's just one of the things where you say, oh,

641
00:37:56.119 --> 00:37:58.920
I practiced for the sake of saying I practice, but

642
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.119
not for the value.

643
00:38:02.320 --> 00:38:07.000
And so the teachers that talk about muscle memory pounding

644
00:38:07.039 --> 00:38:09.920
it into you fallacy.

645
00:38:10.079 --> 00:38:14.119
No such thing. Unfortunately. Now, I think that their intentions

646
00:38:14.159 --> 00:38:18.119
are good. The more you practice, you're actually building up

647
00:38:18.119 --> 00:38:22.039
a lot of inventory. But it's a very very inefficient

648
00:38:22.159 --> 00:38:25.119
way to build the kind of inventory that you want

649
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:30.199
to retrieve in competition. So I think coaches say those things, Hey,

650
00:38:30.239 --> 00:38:35.519
practice practice practice because you know, it's more of a

651
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:39.119
work ethic type of a thing. So practice practice practice

652
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.480
because teams right now are practicing better than they ever have,

653
00:38:43.239 --> 00:38:47.079
but they're still underperforming. I don't know if, like I said,

654
00:38:47.079 --> 00:38:49.960
in the last five years, the variance between someone's good

655
00:38:49.960 --> 00:38:53.840
and someone's bad is getting bigger, it's not getting smaller.

656
00:38:54.679 --> 00:38:57.639
On any given day, a golfer can shoot a seventy

657
00:38:57.679 --> 00:39:02.039
two and you know an eighty two. You know, and

658
00:39:02.079 --> 00:39:05.840
that's because you know when they go play, you know,

659
00:39:05.960 --> 00:39:08.000
depending on what's happened to them. Because our brains are

660
00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:10.320
very fluid, we're human beings. We are processing so many

661
00:39:10.400 --> 00:39:12.760
things about life. If I didn't sleep very well, if

662
00:39:12.760 --> 00:39:14.320
I didn't eat very well, if I have a little

663
00:39:14.320 --> 00:39:16.800
bit of a scratch, I'm not pinky finger on my back,

664
00:39:17.480 --> 00:39:20.079
my brain is going to be distracted in those moments.

665
00:39:20.119 --> 00:39:23.360
I'm going to need access to all the things that

666
00:39:23.400 --> 00:39:27.000
I've done in my practice. So I don't think that

667
00:39:27.199 --> 00:39:30.800
they're these coaches that say practice practice, practice and muscle memory.

668
00:39:31.199 --> 00:39:33.280
I don't think their intentions are bad. In fact, I

669
00:39:33.320 --> 00:39:36.360
think the intentions are very good, sure, but they're missing

670
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:40.239
the point that you know, the memory is not created

671
00:39:40.239 --> 00:39:43.760
in the muscles. And think of a quadriplegic, right, a

672
00:39:43.880 --> 00:39:47.599
quad polegic. Their brain works fine and their body works fine,

673
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:51.119
but there's a spinal injury, so there's no transfer of

674
00:39:51.159 --> 00:39:55.199
that electricity, so they can't move anything. Otherwise, the muscles

675
00:39:55.199 --> 00:39:57.920
would just move themselves. They wouldn't need the brain to say, oh,

676
00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:01.280
grab that cup of coffee or move or walk right right.

677
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.239
So muscles are at the mercy of the brain. The

678
00:40:05.239 --> 00:40:09.000
brain is the quarterback of life. And so you know,

679
00:40:09.239 --> 00:40:12.679
I think that so much practice could be so much

680
00:40:12.719 --> 00:40:16.480
more efficient if coaches and athletes learned how to encode

681
00:40:17.079 --> 00:40:21.000
and build these angrams and grams are these wonderful memories

682
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:23.239
that you can easily access.

683
00:40:23.960 --> 00:40:29.920
So muscle memory is a myth. Are are there other

684
00:40:30.159 --> 00:40:36.920
myths that you need to debunk for the recreational golfer

685
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.480
to get out of their minds so they don't a

686
00:40:39.480 --> 00:40:43.119
big block. One of my favorites is people like, oh,

687
00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:45.199
I had a great warm up session on the range

688
00:40:45.239 --> 00:40:47.920
and then I played terrible golf. You know, it's like

689
00:40:48.159 --> 00:40:49.519
one doesn't have to with the other.

690
00:40:49.599 --> 00:40:52.599
Right. I will tell you the biggest myth that I

691
00:40:52.639 --> 00:40:56.760
am trying very hard to debunk, and that is small

692
00:40:56.840 --> 00:41:01.800
target small myths. That is a myth. And so the

693
00:41:01.840 --> 00:41:04.880
way that the brain works, it doesn't matter whether the

694
00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:08.079
target is small or big. It matters whether the target

695
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is rememberable. Is does the target stand out enough? In

696
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my head? Is say enough of a contrast? So you know,

697
00:41:19.079 --> 00:41:22.119
small target, small mess has a nice little cadence to it.

698
00:41:22.119 --> 00:41:26.280
It sounds good, but you know, small targets are also

699
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:30.519
easier to forget, especially if they're far away. Right. So

700
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what I tell teach people is that a target that

701
00:41:33.719 --> 00:41:37.519
stands out is the best target because your brain will

702
00:41:37.559 --> 00:41:40.119
remember it more. If it's a color contrast or a

703
00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:44.519
shape contrast, or something about it is odd. Those are

704
00:41:44.559 --> 00:41:47.239
the best targets. Now, there's no rhyme to it. Odd target,

705
00:41:47.360 --> 00:41:50.800
small mess, like it doesn't rhyme as well as a

706
00:41:50.840 --> 00:41:54.480
small mess. Sure, I find people looking looking and finding

707
00:41:54.559 --> 00:41:56.559
something small on a tree leaf and then they look

708
00:41:56.599 --> 00:41:59.039
back down at the ball. You can't remember that.

709
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:01.840
So this is when you're addressing the ball. This is

710
00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:04.960
when you're at the ball. You look out to the fairway,

711
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the green, whatever you're looking at. You know, it's like doctor,

712
00:42:11.599 --> 00:42:16.639
doctor Joe parent recently told us that, you know, the

713
00:42:16.840 --> 00:42:22.920
idea of aim to a spot, shoot to an area.

714
00:42:23.280 --> 00:42:25.960
I think I got that right from him. So you

715
00:42:26.000 --> 00:42:29.639
know he's getting away from the small target small miss concept.

716
00:42:29.719 --> 00:42:32.360
But you know it's like find a small target, but

717
00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:34.840
you be happy with an area, right.

718
00:42:36.280 --> 00:42:40.119
Yeah, So I would I would phrase that differently. I

719
00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:43.800
would say, look, golf has played over six hundred acres

720
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or however many acres. It's not like basketball. It's just

721
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on one court or a soccer field or a baseball field.

722
00:42:50.039 --> 00:42:54.000
So the ability to look out there in nature and

723
00:42:54.239 --> 00:42:58.000
find good targets is a wonderful task, and we have

724
00:42:58.079 --> 00:43:00.679
to do that. In the fallargets are going to be

725
00:43:00.719 --> 00:43:03.599
different than the spring. You know, if it's cloudy, your

726
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.079
target's going to be different because certain things you know

727
00:43:06.159 --> 00:43:12.400
from the sun's reflection. So I try to teach people

728
00:43:12.880 --> 00:43:17.360
like enjoy the process of looking from a tea box

729
00:43:17.840 --> 00:43:19.960
to the fairway or the fairway to the green or

730
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:23.760
on the green, of searching, lose your eyes and say, okay,

731
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:27.199
what can I find over here? Because your ability to

732
00:43:27.280 --> 00:43:32.119
find good, holdable targets is really the key. And I

733
00:43:32.159 --> 00:43:34.639
don't know whether I care whether it's a big or small,

734
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:39.519
or you know, a general area. Just find something that

735
00:43:39.840 --> 00:43:43.920
is contrasting enough that your brain can remember. I will

736
00:43:43.960 --> 00:43:46.480
say this again. I'll say this again. Forgive me, Fred,

737
00:43:46.519 --> 00:43:47.360
Please forgive me.

738
00:43:47.719 --> 00:43:48.639
Not a problem.

739
00:43:48.880 --> 00:43:52.159
What makes goff the most difficult target sport of all

740
00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:54.559
is that your eyes are not on the target. They're

741
00:43:54.599 --> 00:43:58.679
down at the ball, right, So we have to give

742
00:43:58.760 --> 00:44:04.679
the brain something out there that it can recall. And

743
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:07.599
when people have a good target playing in their brain,

744
00:44:07.760 --> 00:44:11.320
I find something magical happens. I find that suddenly they

745
00:44:11.320 --> 00:44:14.840
have the most amazing tempo. They may not hit perfect shots,

746
00:44:15.280 --> 00:44:17.559
but their dispersion becomes a lot smaller.

747
00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:21.599
Well, they may not get the best results exactly, but

748
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.480
you're swinging the feel of it. That what you're trying

749
00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:28.679
to accomplish in the contact of the ball, But afterwards.

750
00:44:28.079 --> 00:44:32.639
It's that's the power of these targets. There's a chapter

751
00:44:32.679 --> 00:44:35.599
in the book where I talk about grid neurons, the

752
00:44:35.760 --> 00:44:38.480
person that discovered it won a Nobel Prize for it,

753
00:44:39.079 --> 00:44:41.880
and what she essentially discovered. And we can do this

754
00:44:42.119 --> 00:44:47.960
very quickly. Right, So let me ask you a question. Okay, ready,

755
00:44:48.119 --> 00:44:53.280
how far how far are you from? Go ahead.

756
00:44:54.880 --> 00:44:57.360
From? And now I have to ask you from what?

757
00:44:58.039 --> 00:45:01.119
Okay? All right, now let me ask you another question. Okay,

758
00:45:01.159 --> 00:45:02.920
how far are you from New York City?

759
00:45:05.599 --> 00:45:06.519
Thousands of miles?

760
00:45:06.920 --> 00:45:08.519
Okay? And where are you right now?

761
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:10.079
Northern California?

762
00:45:10.159 --> 00:45:13.719
Okay? Perfect? Now, think of the difference between those two questions.

763
00:45:13.719 --> 00:45:15.519
The first one, I said, how far are you from?

764
00:45:15.559 --> 00:45:17.280
And I didn't give you a destination? And you're like,

765
00:45:17.440 --> 00:45:19.639
what's it talking about? Where do I go? Up? Down?

766
00:45:20.119 --> 00:45:21.840
But as soon as I said new York City, did

767
00:45:21.840 --> 00:45:24.880
you not draw a line kind of going east and

768
00:45:24.960 --> 00:45:25.679
kind of doing that?

769
00:45:26.039 --> 00:45:26.639
Absolutely?

770
00:45:26.960 --> 00:45:31.559
Exactly. Those are great neurons. Great neurons were activated. Great

771
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.239
is a destination. It creates a scale in your brain,

772
00:45:35.880 --> 00:45:39.639
and scale is what creates sequencing because the whole purpose

773
00:45:39.679 --> 00:45:43.159
of motor sequencing is to create force. The reason I

774
00:45:43.239 --> 00:45:46.000
go back is so that I can generate amount of

775
00:45:46.039 --> 00:45:48.480
force to apply it to a ball to send it

776
00:45:48.519 --> 00:45:53.320
to a destination. So this is why targets are so

777
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:56.280
important involved because number one, you're not looking at it.

778
00:45:56.719 --> 00:45:59.679
Whereas if I'm Steph Curry and I'm shooting a basket,

779
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.559
the basket is right there, I see it. You know,

780
00:46:03.840 --> 00:46:05.400
if I have a soccer ball in front of me,

781
00:46:05.840 --> 00:46:08.519
I see the ball. I can quickly in my peripheral

782
00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:11.159
vision see generally where the ball is going to go.

783
00:46:11.440 --> 00:46:16.400
Not so in golf. This is why the role of

784
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:20.559
the brain is so important in golf is because we've

785
00:46:20.599 --> 00:46:24.360
got to create the state where there's space in the

786
00:46:24.360 --> 00:46:29.000
brain to recall that grit neuron, that target, which then

787
00:46:29.159 --> 00:46:31.599
is the glue to your motor sequencing.

788
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:38.559
Fascinating. This has been so interesting and really helpful, Doctor Justice.

789
00:46:38.599 --> 00:46:41.639
Please tell us the name of the new book and

790
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:43.480
the other golf books that you have.

791
00:46:43.880 --> 00:46:46.079
Wonderful, Thank you again for having me.

792
00:46:46.159 --> 00:46:46.239
So.

793
00:46:46.280 --> 00:46:49.480
The name of the book is called Your Brain Swings

794
00:46:49.519 --> 00:46:53.239
Every Club. It's available on Amazon. There's an ebook. There's

795
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:57.880
also an audiobook, so however you like to consume information.

796
00:46:58.639 --> 00:47:00.880
There have been lots of people that I collaborate with.

797
00:47:01.280 --> 00:47:05.199
I have chapters where other coaches have participated in. Now

798
00:47:05.360 --> 00:47:08.440
Brad Faxon was kind enough to write the forward to

799
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the book. I have so much respect for him and

800
00:47:12.159 --> 00:47:16.400
so many other people. So it's a collaborative work and

801
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:18.440
it was a privilege to sort of write it with

802
00:47:18.679 --> 00:47:20.960
all of these people. The other two golf books are

803
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:27.800
Golf EQ and and Jerra Gough this book is relatively short,

804
00:47:28.159 --> 00:47:30.079
and that was intentional. I didn't want to put a

805
00:47:30.119 --> 00:47:33.480
lot of you know, uh stuff out there. I want

806
00:47:33.519 --> 00:47:35.519
to kind of get to the point very quickly, and

807
00:47:36.239 --> 00:47:39.599
really my goal was to give people a language to

808
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:41.960
understand the electricity in the brain and the role that

809
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:44.360
it plays in motor function and life.

810
00:47:46.239 --> 00:47:49.679
And websites. How do we find you online to learn more?

811
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:52.800
Yeah, so, Jira goof at g y r a golf

812
00:47:52.840 --> 00:47:55.679
dot com is the website. But you know, if you

813
00:47:55.760 --> 00:47:59.159
just gurgle me my social media handles, I have a

814
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:01.519
guy that does that for me. I'm too old, unfortunately,

815
00:48:01.639 --> 00:48:04.760
but you know at easy Justice or doctor Easy Justice.

816
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:08.599
I have a lot of good content out there, but

817
00:48:08.920 --> 00:48:11.400
so please follow me. I was trying to put something good,

818
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:12.400
good out there.

819
00:48:12.679 --> 00:48:17.079
Great and it's eyes easy why easy Justice, like you

820
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would think j U s t I ce Doctor Justice.

821
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This has been fascinating. I loved it. Really glad that

822
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you shared this with us and with other podcasters. I'm

823
00:48:27.639 --> 00:48:30.719
not so happy about that, but I'm not going to

824
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ask for an exclusive.

825
00:48:32.960 --> 00:48:35.800
Thank you, Fred. You've been awesome. You're awesome the last time.

826
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You're awesome. Now. Congratulations by the way, on passing a

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thousand episodes, and thank you for all that you do

828
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to bring all these wonderful people together and share information

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and knowledge for your fans.