Oct. 24, 2025

Mistake Free Golf with Sports Psychologist Dr. Robert K. Winters

Mistake Free Golf with Sports Psychologist Dr. Robert K. Winters

GS#445 July 15, 2014 https://theconfidencedoctor.com/ returns to Golf Smarter to discuss his new book that will help your mental game and lower your scores. "Mistake Free Golf; First Aid for Your Golfing Brain". We detail 9 chapters of the book...

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GS#445 July 15, 2014 Dr. Bob Winters returns to Golf Smarter to discuss his new book that will help your mental game and lower your scores. "Mistake Free Golf; First Aid for Your Golfing Brain".
We detail 9 chapters of the book including conversations on “I don’t believe in myself”, “I hit the ball when I know I’m not ready”, “I care too much about score, results and my reputation”. Any of those sound familiar?  Along with regular contributions to CBS Sports, the Golf Channel and GolfWeek, Dr. Bob has been the resident sports psychologist for the David Leadbetter Academy for years.
Dr. Robert K Winters, affectionately known as Dr. Bob, specializes in sports and personal performance training. He holds a Ph.D. in Sport Psychology from The University of Virginia, a B.S. and Master of Arts degree from Ball State University. He has extensive training in sports psychology, motor and visual learning, sports vision, sports medicine, and educational psychology.

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Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty five, originally published

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on July fifteenth, twenty fourteen.

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Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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Golf Smarter podcast. Great Golf Instruction Never gets Old. Our

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interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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There's acceptance and then there's release. But what I'm trying

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to explain to people is that acceptance is not a

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passive week term. Acceptance is a very peaceful warrior like

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term because you come to grips with the reality it

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is what it is. You don't have to like that

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you just double boge the first hole, but you must

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accept it. If there's one mustism in golf, you must

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accept it's history. It's a done deal. The last hole

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when whatever you made is Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history.

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It's a done deal. You need to put it behind

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you and move on. And when you accept and your release,

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you now have closure on that event and you can

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now move into the new shot, re energize reinvigorated and

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ready to play with confidence and ready to play with

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new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what

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the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you get it through you,

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you move through it.

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Mistake Free Golf with Sports Psychologists to the pros, Doctor

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Bob Winters.

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This is Golf Smarter.

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Welcome back to Golf Smarter for members only, Doctor Bob.

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Fred. You know, it's great to be with you.

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Thank you so much.

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It has been a long time since you've been on

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the podcast. I was going back in the files and

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for those who don't remember or haven't had a chance

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to hear you before, you go back to the first

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time you were on episode number thirty nine, the Ten

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Commandments of Mind Power Golf and then on episode number

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one hundred and fifty one mental coach for David Ledbetter

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Golf Academy at the time. And now we talk about

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your brand new book, Mistake Free Golf.

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Well, I'll tell you what you know it. You know,

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it kind of takes me back a little bit. And

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it's funny that you say that, because you know, a

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lot of water has crossed under the bridge since the

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last time we talked and I had. You know, a

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young sports psychologist came up to me the other day

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and it was kind of funny and it sort of

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dates me a little bit.

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And he said, doctor Winners, I've seen you. I've seen you.

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On the Golf Channel and I heard you on you know,

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Golf Smarter podcasts, and they were talking of all the

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things I've done.

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They said, I really want to thank.

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You for being one of the pioneers in the sport.

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And I sort of took me back a little bit. Fred,

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I'm sitting pioneers in the sport. He goes, yeah, you

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like one of the first people out there, and that

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sort of made me, you know, reflect that I've been

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in this you know business for a long time and

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I've done a lot of great things, met a lot

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of great people, you know, such as you, and getting

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a chance to give back, you know, to golfers. You know,

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really what I've enjoyed over the last forty five years,

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you know, playing golf at every level and doing what

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I do. So it's it's always great to be back.

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Oh thank you.

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So what is going on now? Where are you these

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this summer? What are you doing and where can we

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find you? Other than doctor Bob Winners dot com.

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Well, I'm pretty much, you know, traveling all over, but

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I am you know, stationed and based in Orlando, Florida.

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I am the residence sports psychologist for you know, David

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Ledbetter has Ledbetter Golf Academy World teaching headquarters at Championsgate, Florida.

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I also, you know, travel you know, the tour at

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different events, and I have a lot of great collegiate

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amateur players and tour players all over the globe. But

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you know, people have found me, you know, watching the

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Golf Channel. They know, go into you know, the website

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and they actually Google me and contact me, and so

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you know, we're all over. Plus, I'm right now speaking

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to you from my Nike Golf Schools, where I've been

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affiliated with them for about twenty four years, and I'm

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up here in the Berkshire Mountains right now for five weeks.

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And this has sort of really started about twenty one

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years ago doing these Nike Golf schools.

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Told people, you know, I love to give back to

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the junior golfers because the junior golfers are our future.

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And every year I come back and this is sort

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of the fountain of youth for me, the polt stale

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leone up here in the Williams College up here in Williamstown, Massachusetts,

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beautifully located in the Berkshire Mountains up here in western Massachusetts.

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And so I get to see these beautiful young golfers,

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you know, ages twelve to seventeen, and they have this

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sense of innocence, this sense of naive ta, this enthusiasm,

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and I always love to get re energized and kind

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of you know, get get an inoculation, get another shot,

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you know, all that great stuff that they have. Because

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it seems like golf, because it's such a brutal and

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emotionally tough game, it sort of, you know, kind of

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wears us down. It kind of you know, scars us

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up a little bit. So it's nice to get some

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you know, fresh thoughts, some fresh blood and some fresh

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ideas going. And plus, you know, it's a it's a

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nice way for me to actually introduce my theories, my

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philosophies to junior golfers and and see what their impressions are.

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And we can actually start, you know, talking about a

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lot of new creations and new intervention strategies. So they're

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a great audience to introduce it to and then I

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take it out on the tours and then we're having

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a blast with it up here.

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Very cool, very cool.

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When you say their naivete, how is it that some

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of these young players, like we had an eleven year

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old girl on the at the US Open right for

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for the PGA, the Women's LPGA US Open. Yes, how

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is it that these kids and there's so many young

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people that are getting onto the upper level, the top

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level of golf competition. What is it about their naive

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ta that gets them there? Or is it because of

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their naiveta that allows them to compete at that level

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and not feel the pressure, or let me ask it

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a different way, do they feel the pressure that somebody

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with experience feels.

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Well, I think you have to understand really where fear

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comes from, and fear sort of resides in the past,

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and I think you know, when you have a young person,

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perhaps they don't have that many learned fear experiences, so

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they really don't have a backlog of negative memories. They

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sort of have sort of a fresh slate. So when

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you have I believe her name was Lucy Lee, who

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comes in as inn the eleven year old, and I

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love you know that she's shooting seventy seven, seventy eight

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in the US Women's Open at Pinehurst number two when

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they had the golf course really set up, and at

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her post round interview, there she is, you know, being

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an eleven year old, dripping ice cream over her golf

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shoes and saying, well, my whole goal was to go

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out and have some fun. So I mean, as far

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as her expectations, her expectations weren't of shooting the lowest

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score or winning the US Women's Open. Her expectation was

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more of a task or focus expectation that she expected

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to go out and have fun. She expected to go

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out and test her talent. You know, she expected to

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go out and beat the golf course and let the

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chips fall where they may. And that sort of perspective

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is really what I'm trying to do with the best

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players in the world, because what happens a lot of times,

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you know, you hear a lot of huff and puff,

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You hear a lot of talk around the locker rooms

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and oh this is going to happen, and Q school

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is so tough, and it's just hell week and you

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got to get through it, and you hear these war

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stories and it starts to make you a little bit

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more fragile as far as your psyche. So you've kind

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of got to let that stuff go. And it's refreshing

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when you see these young minds and the naivete is

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instead of saying why why why am I not? You know,

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why am I not succeeding, the young mind is saying, well,

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why not?

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Why not me?

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And let's just go out and go play. And I

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think Fred this is a huge thing when we start

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getting people going to Q School for the PGA and

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the LPGA tours or European, Korean or Japanese tour wherever

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I'm working with them, and it seems to me like

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the very first time that a player goes out and

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goes to Q school, they really don't know what to expect.

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So what we try to do is get them into

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task expectations. Expect that you're going to give a great

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effort into every shot. Expect that you're going to have

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some fun. Expect that it will be challenging. Because what

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happens as time goes on, you find that a lot

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of people who don't do well at Q school or

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don't do well at qualifying for US Open US Amateur events,

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they almost find ways to sabotage, well, you know, I

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failed before and this is the reason why. And instead

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of actually learning from those failures, they start to create

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this backlog of negative memories and they keep, you know,

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replaying those tapes over and over in their mind. And

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it seems like sometimes that the first time we do

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a thing, you know, we do it pretty well because

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we don't have that build up of fear or bad experiences.

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I'm a little bit stunned here now.

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You know that with a name like golf Smarter, that

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the golf psychology, the mental part of the game is

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a huge part of our content. I talk to a

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lot of different people who focus on helping people with

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their mental game. And you just talked about expectations, and

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that means focusing on outcome, doesn't it, And isn't that

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a no no?

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Well, you know you have to also take a look

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at that. Is that part of goals, goal setting, aspirations, expectations,

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Because an expectation is a preset standard of really how

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you think something should happen in the future. And so

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when you talk about expectations, there's a lot of negative

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expectations spread that golfers have, and the expectations that most

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golfers have, I think what I call the ninety nine percenters.

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They're always focusing everything around the results. They're focusing everything

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around the score. They focus everything around you know, their reputation,

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how they're going to look, you know, whether they win,

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you know. And so it's a very much an outcome

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focused expectation about something that they may or may not

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do in the future. So when I talk about expectations

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and what's the best type of expectation to have, it's

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a task expectancy that is in this moment. You know,

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I expect you to be totally committed to this shot

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at this moment. I expect you to have a great decision.

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I expect you to conduct yourself in a manner that says,

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I know what I need to do with this shot,

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and I'm going to stay in this moment and do

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the very best I can, and I'll let you know.

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The results speak for themselves.

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And I also.

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Expect at the end of this shot, I will accept

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whatever result I have because the result it is what

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it is. And so when we start talking about those

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type of expectancies. We're talking about an expectation that's going

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to happen in the immediate future or what we call,

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you know, the upcoming present. So that's really you know,

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kind of the difference there. One is a very far

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futuristic expectation and the other is an expectancy about what

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you're going to do with the shot in front of

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you right now.

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And are those the basic premises of or is that

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the basic premise of your philosophy, your teaching philosophy.

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Well, you know, my teaching philosophy is this fred is

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that anything's possible, you know, like the PGA tour logo

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and banner is Anything's possible. You know, I never say

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never to any of my students, And what I want

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them to, you know, to feel and to believe in

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the philosophy we're working on is that it's about you,

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your ball and the target and that's in your zone

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of control.

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So when you go.

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Out and play, I want you to feel like you

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can play anywhere, anytime, with anybody, under any conditions. And

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when you have that sort of a personal playing philosophy,

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it's a mission statement that allows you to go out

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and play to your talent and it doesn't matter who

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you're playing with, because what happens most golfers start looking around.

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They start thinking these questioning thoughts, like who's watching me?

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What do they think about me? Will I be able?

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You know, to measure up? And really, if you are

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totally taking care of yourself in the moment and being

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right here in the moment, you don't have to worry

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about anybody else because it is the most intimate relationship

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you have in golf, and that is with you, your thoughts,

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and your golf ball and the target. And when you

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do that, I mean you were in the precious present

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and that is the gift of the present moment, and

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that's what you give yourself.

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Let's get into your book.

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I'm very excited about the new book called Mistake Free

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Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain. Very good title.

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I like it.

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It really tells a lot.

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Let's break it down. Let's hear a lot about it.

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Please, Well, you know, a mistake for you golf. You know,

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I have a lot of people say, well, where did

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that idea come from? Well, even after I had written

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you know, you know my other books, the mental Art

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of putting, using your mind to put your best, the

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Ten Commandments of Mind power golf and doing the putting genius,

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you know, DVDs and writing you know, golf fitness books

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and all of these other things I've done. I took

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a look and I said, most of the sports psychology

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books that we have, I mean, even starting you know,

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with with the early ones, they were always talking about

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these platitudes, these positivisms, these trite cliche expressions about be

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the ball, be in the moment, stay in the present moment.

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And even though I use these terms, what I really

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wanted to do was I wanted to elaborate and I

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wanted to have you know, the readers say, this is

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really what it means when you say I want to

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play one shot at a time. Because, as you know, Fred,

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if you go out and play with your guys and

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you say, hey, you just need to trust your swing.

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I think when people hear that, they go, YadA, YadA, YadA,

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trust your swing, blah blah blah, be in the moment.

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They don't know really what those things are. So when

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I had written Mistake Free Golf, I went around, starting

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in two thousand and six, and I went and asked

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the very best players in the world, a very simple question.

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I even went to the most emotionally challenged, the worst

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players that were playing at a high level and asking

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them what you know, they were thinking about and what

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was their greatest mental mistake that they committed during their careers.

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And just by.

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Asking that very simple question, almost to a man, woman,

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boy or girl who I asked it, I got, you know,

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an immediate response. It wasn't like something I had to contemplate.

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They say, well, you know, my biggest mental mistake is

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I just get ahead of myself, or you know, I

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worry about what other people think about me, or I

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just have too many thoughts in my head.

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So what I did.

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I started collecting all these very you know, one on

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one interviews and they were just based on one simple

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question and going around to the best players in the world.

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And so I started picking up all this unbelievable information,

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all this great data, and so I put it into

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a lot of different components titles, and I broke it

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down into nine very basic mental mistakes that almost all

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golfers make and mistake. Free Golf First Day for your

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golfing brain is really, I think the very first book

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and the only book that really takes a look at

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the mental mistakes that golfers make, and it gets away

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from the platitudes of positivity and it says, Okay, you know,

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if you're bleeding right and you're having a mental breakdown

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on the golf course, we need to apply a mental

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tourniquet now. We don't need to know, get back to

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the driving range and go see our guru here later

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and kind of sit on the couns for two hours.

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You need something right now to stop the bleeding. So

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that's why I call it first aid for your golfing brain.

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So really, what I take a look at, I take

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a look at the you know, the nine most common

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mental mistakes, and give very specific descriptions of what those

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mental mistakes are, and then I give specific strategies and interventions.

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Here's how to alleviate, here's how to stop, and here's

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how to prevent those mental mistakes from happening again. Because,

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as I say in the book in one of my chapters,

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no one is immune from making mistakes. What I'm trying

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to do is get golfers to stop making all these

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errors of omission, the errors of carelessness, the errors of misjudgment, miscalculation,

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and if we could actually just minimize a few mental

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errors each day on the golf course, you will start

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to play more consistently and more confidently. So that's really

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what mistake free golf is really all about.

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And isn't a successful golf all about playing with confidence?

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Well, it is a about playing with confidence, but more

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than confidence, because everybody wants to talk about playing with confidence.

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Let's understand really what confidence is. Confidence is one end

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of the spectrum. The other side of the spectrum is doubt.

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It's worry, it's anxiety. So everyone wants to play with

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confidence because why because it's the absence of doubt. And

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so I'm really, you know, trying to get away so

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much cam play, you know, having players play with confidence.

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I want you to play with a focus for execution

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because if you focus on executing the right things at

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the right time, you will have success spread. And when

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you start to have success, it creates a momentum of

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more success, and then you have more and more success,

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and then the residue at the end of the round,

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after you've had all these many successes, the residue you

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have is something that we call enduring confidence. Because what

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I call the ninety nine percenters versus the one percenter

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is the people that I work with. The ninety nine

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percent have something I call conditional confidence, and it's a

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false or spurious confidence. It's a pseudo confidence. And conditional

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confidence says, well, if I start off great, I'll feel confident.

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Then if I make that first three foot boy, okay,

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everything's good. Now, if I hit that first drive off

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of the opening tee in front of that gallery, okay,

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I'm good for the day. But I always say, okay,

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that's okay. Everybody understands that. But what happens when you

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start off, you know, for the first day.

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And you go bogey bogie double bogie?

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You know, I mean, do they stick a fork in

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you and put you on the barbie or do you

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sort of rebound? And really, if you are psychologically hardy

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and you're mentally strong, and you have what I call

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true confidence, and you focus on executing your game plan,

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you actually get through that bad stuff and you persevere

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and through a determined spirit and a disciplined mind, you

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actually start to play and you're now it starts to

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come out.

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In fact, this just happened.

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I was talking to one of my players last night

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and he was doing US Amateur qualifying and he's leading,

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you know, after the first round of the thirty six

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hole qualifying, and he said he started off bogey bogie bogie.

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He then proceeded, you know, to do nothing different, just

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stayed in the moment, continued to get to the next

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shot and played the shot in front of him, and

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he birdied four of the next five holes. So it's

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sort of that consistency and it's disciplined and that's really

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what mental training, mental skills training is all about. You

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could sit here and talk until the cows come in

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from the fields, Fred about you just got to be positive,

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You got to do breathing exercise, sing a happy tune.

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I don't tell people this, and I think people tell this.

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I don't know really why they're telling them this, other

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than if it makes them feel good. The point is

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people need specific strategies. They need something right now that works,

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that's effective, and they need also be away of what

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they're doing, you know, when they're doing things well, and

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they also need to be aware of what they're doing

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when they're not doing it so well.

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Dave Stockton was on the show a number of episodes

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back and he talked about looking at the clouds in

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between holes.

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It's like, why would you what?

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He says, just look at the clouds And I'm like

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why And he says, so you don't have to, you know,

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beat yourself up on what's about to happen next. You

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just get your mind out of it for the moment

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and just think of something else and then get yourself

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back into it.

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Well, I've heard all sorts of different things should people do.

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I mean, they're counting the number of steps in between

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the shot, they're counting the number of leaves on the tree,

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or the number of leaves that are on the ground.

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And I'm sitting there going wow, I mean, you are

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using a lot of energy, because that's the whole point

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about having you know, what we call a mental trigger,

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a trigger to get you into this next shot. And

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the time between a shot from your last shot to

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your upcoming shot, that should be a time where you're

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sort of mentally, you know, being reinvigorated, that you're sort

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of it's sort of a mental time out, and it's.

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Sort of like what would like to call a mental mulligan.

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Yeah mulligan, but yeah, a mental time out. Fred is

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just hey, you, okay, I don't have to think about

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golf right now. And really, what Dave's Dockton was probably

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alluding to was something that Walter Hagen and and all

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the older players used to say, Hey, you know, just

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you know, take a great walk, smell the flowers, and

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realize that nobody's getting out of here alive in the

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first place, so you might as well enjoy your time

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on the golf course. So those are some things that

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you know, we need to kind of really, you know,

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take a look at. But I really want, you know,

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the listeners to understand that, you know, we make all

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sorts of mistakes. I mean, that's really what mistake free

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golf is. It's it's a great catchy title because it

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really does grab your attention if I could play mistake free.

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But I mean, no one's immune from making mistakes. But

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I'm talking about if you understand what a mistake is.

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It's an error. It's an error in movement, an error

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in calculation, or it's an error in judgment, and it's

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caused by sometimes just being a lazy carelessness, or there's

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insufficient knowledge or you have a misconception of what's going on.

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And so when we talk about errors. You have physical errors,

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you have mental errors, you have emotional errors, and you

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even have sensory errors, meaning you didn't really see the

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proper break and you made a mistake and you actually

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played it too far left and it just didn't, you know,

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break that much. Now that's a sensory error, which is

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a much tougher error to detect, but an error, you know,

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like I talk about, you know in chapter number two,

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I hit the ball when I know I'm not ready.

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I mean that right, There is a heinous error that

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some man golfers make.

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Fred they step into.

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The ball, they have full commitment, they're ready to go,

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but all of a sudden, the little puff of win,

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you know, kind of blows into their ear. You know,

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they think they might need a little bit more club,

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and they know they should back off. They know they're

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not totally ready, but they go ahead and hit it anyway.

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And it's funny how many people make that error. And

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what I really want to say in Mistake Free Golf

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is that anyone who goes out and buys it will

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realize right away that the best players in the world

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make the same mistakes that all recreational golfers make. They

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just don't make them as often, and when they do

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make them, it's for a lot more money and maybe

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for a title, and it's much more publicized. But they

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do make the same mistakes, and they have learned through

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the years to not make these mistakes because if they

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continue to make these same mistakes, they wouldn't be on

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tour very long.

464
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:04.960
What did you mean before when you said errors of omission.

465
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:08.960
Errors of a mission, just you know, not really knowing

466
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:11.799
you know where the trouble is. Uh, just you know,

467
00:25:12.039 --> 00:25:16.000
errors of just just lack of understanding. I mean, so

468
00:25:16.240 --> 00:25:18.119
you know, an error of a mission there. You know,

469
00:25:18.200 --> 00:25:20.759
there's many different errors of a mission we can make

470
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:24.440
in golf, but you have errors of comission, that is,

471
00:25:24.559 --> 00:25:26.400
you knowingly made a mistake, you made.

472
00:25:26.240 --> 00:25:26.960
A bad swing.

473
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:30.480
But when I say errors of omission, it's like not

474
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:34.480
really knowing what you did. Because Fred, most players come

475
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:37.640
in to me and they say, doctor Winters, I know

476
00:25:37.759 --> 00:25:40.759
what it is that I'm supposed to be doing. I'm

477
00:25:40.839 --> 00:25:43.759
just not doing what it is that I know and

478
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:46.960
I and I have to ask them, well, if you

479
00:25:47.119 --> 00:25:49.880
really know, you know what you need to be doing,

480
00:25:50.640 --> 00:25:52.119
then don't you think it would be a good thing

481
00:25:52.200 --> 00:25:54.880
to be, you know, continuing to do that, and why

482
00:25:54.960 --> 00:25:57.319
aren't you doing it? And they'll look at me and

483
00:25:57.319 --> 00:25:59.640
they'll say, I don't know. That's why I'm coming to

484
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.400
see you. And then I asked they talked to them.

485
00:26:02.680 --> 00:26:06.839
I said, well, there's several reasons, he said, Because one is,

486
00:26:07.079 --> 00:26:09.480
maybe you really don't know what it is that you're doing.

487
00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:12.720
Maybe you think you do, but maybe it's a blind spot.

488
00:26:12.799 --> 00:26:15.400
Maybe you're not being aware of it, or you may

489
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.559
be careless, or you may be just a mistake or

490
00:26:18.680 --> 00:26:22.000
just a sloth. But there's so many errors that we

491
00:26:22.079 --> 00:26:24.559
can make. Fred And when I'm trying to talk about

492
00:26:24.559 --> 00:26:27.039
in this book, in the Mistake for you Golf, you

493
00:26:27.160 --> 00:26:30.119
know book, this is this is like a training manual

494
00:26:30.440 --> 00:26:32.279
and I've had, you know, people say that this is

495
00:26:32.319 --> 00:26:36.480
the most complete, absolute book that they have read that

496
00:26:36.640 --> 00:26:39.319
says this is. This really gets to the meat and

497
00:26:39.359 --> 00:26:43.039
potatoes of everything we wanted to know about golf psychology.

498
00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:47.119
And I love one of my friends, Michael Doctor, who

499
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.519
was the twenty thirteen PGA Golf Club Professional of the Year,

500
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.079
he said that this is a must read.

501
00:26:54.240 --> 00:26:55.359
He said, he's seen.

502
00:26:55.119 --> 00:26:58.279
Everything and he reads everything out there. He said, this

503
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.920
is a five star and he said, this is what

504
00:27:01.119 --> 00:27:04.519
every junior golfer, every parent of every junior golfer, and

505
00:27:04.680 --> 00:27:08.440
every aspiring tour player should should be reading. And so

506
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:12.000
that to me was a five star testimonial. And you know,

507
00:27:12.119 --> 00:27:14.200
David Ledbetter and so many other people have read it

508
00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:17.759
and they go, this, this is sort of your magnum opus.

509
00:27:17.559 --> 00:27:20.319
This is something you know that you should be very

510
00:27:20.359 --> 00:27:20.799
proud of.

511
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:22.880
And I had. You know, some people just asked me

512
00:27:22.920 --> 00:27:24.720
the other day, they said, when did you start writing this?

513
00:27:24.839 --> 00:27:28.880
And I said, well, I started collecting the the interviews

514
00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:31.039
and just started talking to people back in two thousand

515
00:27:31.039 --> 00:27:34.359
and six, and then I really completed it a couple

516
00:27:34.359 --> 00:27:38.960
of years ago, and Saint Martin's Press, McMillan Books, said,

517
00:27:39.000 --> 00:27:41.480
we love this manuscript, we want to publish it.

518
00:27:42.519 --> 00:27:44.160
But it took me almost all.

519
00:27:44.039 --> 00:27:46.559
My life to kind of figure out fred all the

520
00:27:46.640 --> 00:27:49.799
different things, how we could actually make these strategies and

521
00:27:49.880 --> 00:27:52.920
interventions to help people get through these mental mistakes. So

522
00:27:53.680 --> 00:27:56.640
it's like everything else. It's like any great artist or

523
00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.200
musician or even golfer. It takes a long time time

524
00:28:00.359 --> 00:28:04.200
to really understand what it is about these these descriptors.

525
00:28:04.480 --> 00:28:08.359
So you can provide an accurate prescription for success.

526
00:28:08.759 --> 00:28:09.160
Yeah.

527
00:28:09.359 --> 00:28:11.519
Well, I'm you know, this is the ninth year that

528
00:28:11.599 --> 00:28:15.960
I've been doing these interviews consecutively, like every week, and

529
00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:18.720
to me, it's such a lesson and I continue to

530
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.480
learn more stuff that I'm blown away.

531
00:28:21.519 --> 00:28:24.119
It's like never thought of it that way. That's wonderful.

532
00:28:25.319 --> 00:28:27.640
It's there's so much, so much to know.

533
00:28:28.359 --> 00:28:33.240
When we're talking about momentum, Like when somebody I'm playing

534
00:28:33.279 --> 00:28:35.960
with double bogies the first hole with a three putt,

535
00:28:36.000 --> 00:28:37.960
They're like, oh my god, today is going to be awful.

536
00:28:38.200 --> 00:28:40.480
My comment is generally, yeah, well you got that out

537
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:40.880
of the way.

538
00:28:41.160 --> 00:28:43.119
Now that you're done with that, let's, you know, move

539
00:28:43.160 --> 00:28:46.480
on and forget about it, you know. But there's that

540
00:28:46.599 --> 00:28:50.240
momentum factor that you were talking about earlier, and it

541
00:28:50.359 --> 00:28:56.319
seems like the momentum, the positive momentum forward as things

542
00:28:56.400 --> 00:28:59.039
get better and you start getting into a groove, that's

543
00:28:59.079 --> 00:29:02.640
a much slower climb then the momentum when things start

544
00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:07.680
to fall apart and everything rapidly goes downhill. How do

545
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:09.680
you balance that and stabilize that?

546
00:29:10.920 --> 00:29:12.319
But it's funny.

547
00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:16.200
I'm gonna bring back a story that just happened last week, Fred,

548
00:29:16.720 --> 00:29:19.039
And since you and I are just having this great conversation,

549
00:29:20.559 --> 00:29:23.519
I had, you know, junior golfers and we went to

550
00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:27.279
sort of like a wonderful little bowling alley and it

551
00:29:27.440 --> 00:29:30.720
had all the video games and you could actually get

552
00:29:30.720 --> 00:29:32.680
a video game and you get you know, sort of

553
00:29:33.279 --> 00:29:35.039
you know, all the tickets. You know that you go

554
00:29:35.119 --> 00:29:36.799
like the Chuck E Cheese and those places where you

555
00:29:36.839 --> 00:29:38.799
get all the tickets and you can go in and

556
00:29:38.839 --> 00:29:40.920
have your kids, you get it. Well, I had some

557
00:29:41.039 --> 00:29:46.680
junior golfers hit like a little water balloon that had

558
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:51.240
invisible ink onto one of my you know, young LPGA

559
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.720
teaching professionals, and they did it as a joke and

560
00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:54.200
they took it.

561
00:29:54.119 --> 00:29:54.880
In good stride.

562
00:29:55.400 --> 00:29:57.960
But I'm sitting there and I'm looking at this and here,

563
00:29:58.079 --> 00:30:01.240
you know, the LPGA teaching profession had like a white

564
00:30:01.240 --> 00:30:02.519
blouse on it and there was a.

565
00:30:02.519 --> 00:30:06.680
Huge big thing blue ink.

566
00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:10.279
Yeah yeah, blue ink. And I'm you know, it was

567
00:30:10.279 --> 00:30:12.400
sitting here, I'm going, oh my goodness, now what happened.

568
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:14.960
I was sitting here going, well, you know, junior golfers,

569
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:17.480
hey kids or kids, you know, and we all laughed

570
00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:20.839
about it, and you know, the teaching professionals.

571
00:30:21.119 --> 00:30:22.680
My goodness, what's going on? I go, oh, I can't.

572
00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.359
This is a brand new blouse. And they were talking

573
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:28.799
about After about ten minutes, it all faded away. And

574
00:30:28.880 --> 00:30:30.960
so I started thinking about this as you were, you know,

575
00:30:31.359 --> 00:30:36.119
posing that question. Is that you have invisible ink that

576
00:30:36.279 --> 00:30:38.720
it shows up for a while and it dissolves, or

577
00:30:38.720 --> 00:30:42.279
you have what we call indelible ink that leaves its

578
00:30:42.400 --> 00:30:45.559
mark that you know it's It's sort of like that's

579
00:30:45.559 --> 00:30:50.680
the difference between great players and the wannabes. The wannabes

580
00:30:50.799 --> 00:30:54.160
get hit with that ink and it isn't a disappearing,

581
00:30:54.319 --> 00:30:59.759
dissolving invisible ink. It becomes an indelible ink. It becomes

582
00:30:59.759 --> 00:31:04.039
an ink stain. They think they've damaged the round and

583
00:31:04.160 --> 00:31:07.839
it stays with them and all they can do is

584
00:31:07.960 --> 00:31:11.319
look at the stain and they never get through it.

585
00:31:12.279 --> 00:31:14.240
And it was interesting. I mean, that's kind of an

586
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:17.359
analogy for really what we do, because that's really what

587
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:22.400
acceptance is all about. Acceptance, and I'm trying to explain

588
00:31:22.480 --> 00:31:24.720
this to all of my tour players and all of

589
00:31:24.759 --> 00:31:27.519
my players, where collegiate or junior players, the amateur players,

590
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:33.920
Acceptance is really a neutral objective term when you accept

591
00:31:34.039 --> 00:31:36.720
the result of something that has happened. Say that you

592
00:31:36.839 --> 00:31:38.759
have a player that's double bogue in the first hole,

593
00:31:38.839 --> 00:31:42.119
and now they oh, they start going into the personal

594
00:31:42.200 --> 00:31:43.000
pity party.

595
00:31:43.480 --> 00:31:44.960
Why why? Why?

596
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:49.720
And what happens is that you really have to be

597
00:31:49.799 --> 00:31:53.559
able to accept that and let that go. There's acceptance

598
00:31:53.920 --> 00:31:56.640
and then there's release. But what I'm trying to explain

599
00:31:56.680 --> 00:32:02.599
to people is that acceptance is not a passive, weak term.

600
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:07.720
Acceptance is a very warrior like, peaceful, warrior like term

601
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:12.119
because you come to grips with the reality it is

602
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.279
what it is. You don't have to like you know

603
00:32:15.279 --> 00:32:17.920
that you just double boge the first hole and you

604
00:32:17.960 --> 00:32:21.039
could have a little bit, you know, of emotion, a

605
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:23.680
little bit of what we call that arousal drive that

606
00:32:23.839 --> 00:32:26.440
sort of kind of kick it into a different gear. Okay,

607
00:32:26.519 --> 00:32:29.279
let's get through this. You don't have to like it,

608
00:32:29.880 --> 00:32:33.240
but you must accept it. If there's one must one

609
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:36.880
mustism in golf, you must accept because it is what

610
00:32:36.960 --> 00:32:39.839
it is, because it will be unchanging. It's history. It's

611
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:43.920
a done deal. The last hole, whatever you made is

612
00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:47.599
Ben Franklin, Thomas Jefferson, it's history. It's a done deal,

613
00:32:47.799 --> 00:32:49.559
you need to put it behind you and move on.

614
00:32:50.359 --> 00:32:54.839
And when you accept and you release, you now have

615
00:32:55.160 --> 00:32:58.680
closure on that event and you can now move into

616
00:32:58.720 --> 00:33:03.640
the new shot re energized, reinvigorated, and ready to play

617
00:33:03.759 --> 00:33:06.839
with confidence and ready to play, you know, with with

618
00:33:06.960 --> 00:33:10.839
new enthusiasm for the upcoming shots. And that's really what

619
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:15.000
the dissolving the invisible ink. You dismiss it, you dissolve,

620
00:33:15.279 --> 00:33:17.960
you get it, you know through you you move through it.

621
00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:22.039
But when you have the indelible ink, when you stain yourself,

622
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:27.559
when you do not accept, you take that stain that trash,

623
00:33:27.680 --> 00:33:30.160
and you take it and you stain the next shot

624
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:33.480
and the next shot, and before long, you know, your

625
00:33:33.559 --> 00:33:34.559
round is trash.

626
00:33:34.880 --> 00:33:36.720
And that's why we're talking about.

627
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.680
Yeah, you have to throw the shirt because the ink

628
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:42.440
will not go away. The concept of the invisible ink

629
00:33:42.519 --> 00:33:44.920
ors is indelible ink just drew me immediately to the

630
00:33:44.920 --> 00:33:48.079
fact that that's why we use pencils on our score cards.

631
00:33:48.319 --> 00:33:49.759
Yeah right, yeahs.

632
00:33:51.319 --> 00:33:53.079
And you always have to watch the golfers that have

633
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:56.319
the pencils with the erasers at the top. I'll tell you,

634
00:33:56.319 --> 00:33:58.799
you know, but no, we don't play with those type

635
00:33:58.799 --> 00:34:01.799
of people. So those those people, you know, that's that's

636
00:34:01.799 --> 00:34:03.640
a game of management, you know. So those are the

637
00:34:03.640 --> 00:34:06.079
people what I call the ninety nine percenters. They're so

638
00:34:06.200 --> 00:34:09.320
worried about score because that's really what happened. I mean

639
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:13.199
when when players come in and one of my chapters

640
00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:18.480
is chapter five, I care so much about score, results

641
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.840
and my reputation. And I always talk about that is

642
00:34:21.880 --> 00:34:24.320
that the first thing people ask you when you come

643
00:34:24.320 --> 00:34:27.239
in from a round of golf, Fred It isn't hey,

644
00:34:27.559 --> 00:34:31.599
did you really stay emotionally invested in every shot you commit,

645
00:34:31.719 --> 00:34:34.159
be your routine and every shot. They don't to ask that.

646
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.639
The ninety nine percenters ask why did you shoot? What'd

647
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.639
you shoot? You know? Or even if they say, well,

648
00:34:40.639 --> 00:34:42.880
how did you play? And Fred Green gives them an

649
00:34:42.920 --> 00:34:44.840
answer like, well, I'll tell you what I hit twelve

650
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.639
out of fourteen fairways, I hit fifteen out of eighteen Green,

651
00:34:47.760 --> 00:34:48.519
they go, no.

652
00:34:48.320 --> 00:34:49.800
No, no, I don't want to hear that stuff.

653
00:34:49.960 --> 00:34:53.239
Yeah, I want to hear you know what you shot.

654
00:34:53.519 --> 00:34:56.360
And the only reason they ask Fred Green that is

655
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:57.840
they don't care about Fred.

656
00:34:57.599 --> 00:34:59.760
Green, right, They want to care to themselves.

657
00:35:00.639 --> 00:35:04.199
Absolutely. It's about comparing. So that's why when we talk

658
00:35:04.280 --> 00:35:08.440
about golf. You have an objective score and then you

659
00:35:08.519 --> 00:35:12.519
have sort of a subjective interpretation of that score. And

660
00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:15.920
it's so important that you know, young players learned that

661
00:35:16.239 --> 00:35:19.440
you are not your score, your self image, your golf esteem,

662
00:35:19.599 --> 00:35:22.960
your golf confidence isn't just wrapped up in your score.

663
00:35:23.679 --> 00:35:26.039
And you know, because there's a lot of things that

664
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:27.840
you know, you have to be able to pull out

665
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:30.519
of around where you didn't score well, but you did

666
00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:34.039
some things really well subjectively, and that's really what we

667
00:35:34.119 --> 00:35:36.199
have to kind of focus on. And that's really what

668
00:35:36.239 --> 00:35:39.159
I'm talking about here in Mistake Free Golf, and I'm

669
00:35:39.239 --> 00:35:42.880
just gonna go down you know, these these different chapters.

670
00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:43.159
Fred.

671
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.440
So that's great because you know what I was about

672
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:53.880
to bring up chapter five. I was about to bring

673
00:35:53.960 --> 00:35:56.880
up chapter five when you said.

674
00:35:56.679 --> 00:35:57.119
It, okay.

675
00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:58.960
I wanted to bring you up because I got an

676
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:03.199
email recently from a listener in Australia who is talking

677
00:36:03.199 --> 00:36:06.559
about how he's trying really hard to not focus on

678
00:36:06.599 --> 00:36:09.000
the scorecard, not to look at where he is in

679
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:12.280
his round until at the end, and he plays with

680
00:36:12.320 --> 00:36:14.440
people who are all the time going all right, I'm

681
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.639
one up, okay, I'm you know, we're even and we're

682
00:36:16.639 --> 00:36:18.760
two in no doubt, you know, And he's like, stop it,

683
00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:21.519
He says, how do I get these people to stop

684
00:36:21.559 --> 00:36:23.480
reminding me with the score is If they want to

685
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:25.519
do it, that's fine, but I don't. How do I

686
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.159
keep them from getting in my face on that?

687
00:36:28.199 --> 00:36:30.159
Well, I mean, that's the big thing, because you know,

688
00:36:30.280 --> 00:36:34.519
most golfers really aren't playing golf. They're playing the game

689
00:36:34.599 --> 00:36:37.920
of how am I doing? You know, how am I comparing?

690
00:36:38.679 --> 00:36:43.639
And they're scorekeepers and they're keeping stats. And these people

691
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:48.480
are probably bankers, people who work with numbers, CPAs I mean,

692
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:51.360
and they're always about the number. They're always about the

693
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:55.599
bottom line. So you know, when people ask you and hey,

694
00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:56.360
you know, how you doing?

695
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:56.920
How you doing?

696
00:36:57.400 --> 00:37:00.519
You take it and you actually deflect it. You put

697
00:37:00.519 --> 00:37:04.679
the onus of responsibility back on the questioner. You go,

698
00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:07.400
I'm doing pretty well, as I'm playing pretty well, how

699
00:37:07.400 --> 00:37:07.920
are you doing?

700
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.840
How are you shooting? You deflect it right back.

701
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:13.679
Instead of trying to say, hey, I've got to give

702
00:37:13.679 --> 00:37:15.760
you an answer. I've got to tally up my score.

703
00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:18.239
Even if they tell you, hey, you know, well you're

704
00:37:18.239 --> 00:37:20.960
two you're two over. You know your three behind? You

705
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.719
know what you have to be able to do is

706
00:37:23.199 --> 00:37:26.679
you have to be able to dismiss the good thoughts,

707
00:37:26.760 --> 00:37:31.079
the good intentions, and all the speaking of others and

708
00:37:31.239 --> 00:37:33.599
kind of just move into your own thing. And that's

709
00:37:33.639 --> 00:37:36.079
really what being in your bubble is all about, is

710
00:37:36.119 --> 00:37:38.039
that you have to just sort of just let it,

711
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:42.000
just let it pass. Instead of thinking no, no, keep

712
00:37:42.000 --> 00:37:44.320
your eyes, you know, and ears closed, you just kind

713
00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:46.519
of dismiss it and say, oh, that's good. You know,

714
00:37:46.599 --> 00:37:48.840
we're great, and then you just kind of get back

715
00:37:48.880 --> 00:37:52.480
into your business. But that's that's really worth Chapter five

716
00:37:52.519 --> 00:37:54.920
and I've got some very specific, you know, some really

717
00:37:55.039 --> 00:37:58.280
nice ones you know, in this And I really want

718
00:37:58.320 --> 00:38:00.960
to say about the book is I talk about a

719
00:38:01.039 --> 00:38:04.480
nice introduction. I talk about and it was great that

720
00:38:04.639 --> 00:38:09.159
rich Lerner had written my introduction for me the Golf Channel.

721
00:38:09.199 --> 00:38:12.079
I've known rich for a number of years and do

722
00:38:12.199 --> 00:38:14.599
a lot of charity work for his family golf tournament,

723
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:18.159
and he had written me just an eloquent you introduction.

724
00:38:18.679 --> 00:38:22.559
And then I talk about a player I interviewed waltzon Briski,

725
00:38:22.719 --> 00:38:24.800
you know, the iron worker that came from New Jersey

726
00:38:25.119 --> 00:38:29.800
who belongs to my home club Orange Tree in Orlando, Florida,

727
00:38:30.519 --> 00:38:33.480
and we start talking about you know that story. But

728
00:38:33.840 --> 00:38:36.360
and then it goes right into like the nine different

729
00:38:36.800 --> 00:38:40.400
mistakes that golfers make. And the first mistake that golfers

730
00:38:40.400 --> 00:38:45.599
make is I don't believe in my talent. I worry,

731
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:48.559
I doubt, And that's that's the first chapter. And the

732
00:38:48.599 --> 00:38:51.360
second chapter is I hit the ball when I know

733
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:55.079
I'm not ready. Chapter three is I get ahead of myself.

734
00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:58.719
I fail to stay in the present moment. Chapter four

735
00:38:58.840 --> 00:39:01.800
is I do not to my shot or my game plan.

736
00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:06.599
Number five, I care too much about score results, my reputation.

737
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.559
Chapter six, I worry about what others think about me.

738
00:39:13.039 --> 00:39:17.000
Number seven I expect to play perfect, and number eight

739
00:39:17.159 --> 00:39:20.400
I think too much, and number nine.

740
00:39:20.159 --> 00:39:21.400
I lose my composure.

741
00:39:21.960 --> 00:39:24.920
So for every one of these chapters spread I give

742
00:39:24.960 --> 00:39:29.639
a nice presentation, a descripting or a describing story. I

743
00:39:29.760 --> 00:39:33.199
use a lot of players interviews, and then I give prescriptions.

744
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:37.119
I give treatments what we call doctor Bob's Rix for success.

745
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:40.480
And at the very end of very chapter, I compress

746
00:39:40.559 --> 00:39:42.880
it almost into like a little zip drive. If you

747
00:39:42.880 --> 00:39:45.840
want to use computer technology, I say take.

748
00:39:45.679 --> 00:39:46.480
It to the course.

749
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.360
This is what you need to do because people can say,

750
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:52.719
you can talk to me about confidence and trust all

751
00:39:52.840 --> 00:39:55.719
day long, just tell me what I need to do.

752
00:39:56.480 --> 00:39:59.320
And so I'm really big into Okay, this is what

753
00:39:59.360 --> 00:40:01.719
you need to do do. This is what has worked

754
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.760
and has worked in the past, is working now and

755
00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:06.840
it will work in the future. And you need to

756
00:40:06.880 --> 00:40:09.639
comply with this. And if you do this, you're going

757
00:40:09.719 --> 00:40:11.960
to be well on your road to the road of

758
00:40:12.119 --> 00:40:12.880
yes I can.

759
00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:16.280
It's so consistent with that. I've always thought about the

760
00:40:16.280 --> 00:40:21.400
difference between men and women. Men are results oriented, women

761
00:40:21.480 --> 00:40:24.960
are process oriented. So when you know, when you when

762
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:28.320
you when a woman says, ah, I'm having such a

763
00:40:28.360 --> 00:40:31.440
hard time with okay, let's plug in golf. I'm having

764
00:40:31.599 --> 00:40:33.880
you know, it's such a hard time with this fill

765
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:36.079
in the blank, and the guy will say, well, here,

766
00:40:36.119 --> 00:40:37.719
here's what you need to do, like you have at

767
00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:39.679
the end of your chapter. Here's exactly what you need

768
00:40:39.719 --> 00:40:41.679
to do, and she looks at he says, I don't

769
00:40:41.719 --> 00:40:44.880
want an answer. I just want you to listen to me.

770
00:40:45.920 --> 00:40:46.559
And that's why I like.

771
00:40:46.599 --> 00:40:47.039
That's right.

772
00:40:47.119 --> 00:40:49.039
They like to talk to their girlfriends because they just

773
00:40:49.320 --> 00:40:52.800
so I've learned, I'm coming up. I've been married thirty

774
00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:55.320
four years, and I've learned that when when you know,

775
00:40:55.880 --> 00:40:58.440
when my wife presents a problem that she's having, I've

776
00:40:58.519 --> 00:41:01.199
learned instead of giving her an answer, I've learned how

777
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:02.840
to nod a lot and.

778
00:41:02.880 --> 00:41:06.800
Say, oh, well that's that's that's really good. That's just

779
00:41:06.880 --> 00:41:11.360
good mental management and emotional management, right there, Fred, Yeah,

780
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:16.119
so that's that's the hard Yeah. Well, I mean that's

781
00:41:16.159 --> 00:41:18.079
the point, you know, and being married. You know, the

782
00:41:18.079 --> 00:41:21.000
old thing about men, and I'm making a very gender

783
00:41:21.039 --> 00:41:23.719
statement here is do you want to be happy or

784
00:41:23.760 --> 00:41:27.039
do you want to be right? And doctor Phil, you know,

785
00:41:27.159 --> 00:41:29.079
was always talking about that, you know, do you want.

786
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:30.159
To be happy? Do you want to be right?

787
00:41:30.639 --> 00:41:33.280
But in my book Mistake for e Golf, First Day,

788
00:41:33.320 --> 00:41:36.760
for your golfing brain, I sort of present both, sort

789
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:40.840
of that male female brain, if you will, because women

790
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:44.400
always ask me, Fred, why why are we doing this?

791
00:41:44.599 --> 00:41:44.800
Wow?

792
00:41:45.599 --> 00:41:48.800
Why why is this so? And so I want players

793
00:41:48.800 --> 00:41:51.960
to understand, this is why you're having this problem, this

794
00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:55.679
is why this has become an issue for you. Now

795
00:41:55.960 --> 00:41:59.599
now we answer that question why, here's why it is,

796
00:41:59.639 --> 00:42:02.719
and here's how you need to do it. Here's how

797
00:42:02.760 --> 00:42:04.800
you can get through it. And here's how you can

798
00:42:04.840 --> 00:42:08.400
prevent it from coming and happening again. So that's sort

799
00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:10.480
of really what you were kind of talking about. And

800
00:42:10.519 --> 00:42:14.320
that's why so many people say you present the problem,

801
00:42:14.599 --> 00:42:17.760
you know, the presenting issue. You describe it, and you

802
00:42:17.840 --> 00:42:22.320
give great interviews and the Michelle Wiez, the Suzanne Petterson's,

803
00:42:22.360 --> 00:42:25.679
the Nick Prices, the Greg Normans, all the people that

804
00:42:25.719 --> 00:42:28.800
you know, give like these wonderful, you know, little interviews

805
00:42:28.840 --> 00:42:31.199
to you, and then you actually sort of kind of

806
00:42:31.199 --> 00:42:34.360
go through and elaborate on what they did, what they said,

807
00:42:34.639 --> 00:42:36.880
and then here's what we need to do in order

808
00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:39.800
to prevent it. And so people have gone through and

809
00:42:39.840 --> 00:42:43.440
they say, wow, this is unlike anything I've ever read before.

810
00:42:43.599 --> 00:42:46.199
So you know, we're really happy with it because I

811
00:42:46.199 --> 00:42:49.239
took a different approach instead of saying, okay, you need

812
00:42:49.239 --> 00:42:50.039
to adhere.

813
00:42:49.719 --> 00:42:50.480
To your routine.

814
00:42:51.119 --> 00:42:54.119
I mean I took a look at here's the negativity,

815
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.840
here's the mistake, here's the danger zone. All right. So

816
00:42:58.000 --> 00:42:59.960
all right, so you've cut yourself on the golf course.

817
00:43:00.440 --> 00:43:03.360
Here's how you apply the tourniquet. Here's how we actually

818
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:03.960
get better.

819
00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:08.719
Absolutely, why do I have a sense that these nine

820
00:43:08.840 --> 00:43:13.159
chapters are kind of like the front nine. There's gonna

821
00:43:13.159 --> 00:43:14.760
be a back nine soon to follow.

822
00:43:15.679 --> 00:43:18.920
Well, yes, you know, and I'm just really happy because

823
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:22.880
the books has been receiving uh five stars you know,

824
00:43:22.880 --> 00:43:25.119
from literary sources such as good Reads.

825
00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:26.679
Oh congratulations.

826
00:43:27.360 --> 00:43:29.840
Yes, and it's it's just everyone who reads it's been

827
00:43:29.960 --> 00:43:32.840
you know, Uh, it's been available now through Amazon dot

828
00:43:32.840 --> 00:43:36.159
com and Indie Bound and Barnes and Noble. I mean

829
00:43:36.199 --> 00:43:38.360
you can you can get it anywhere. It's available at

830
00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.920
all book real retailers.

831
00:43:39.960 --> 00:43:41.760
Well, you know what, Here's where you get it is

832
00:43:41.760 --> 00:43:44.480
at golfsmarter dot com because we do have the book

833
00:43:44.639 --> 00:43:47.079
in our golfers mart. We have all of your books

834
00:43:47.079 --> 00:43:50.480
in our our shopping section. Yeah, via Amazon, so you

835
00:43:50.480 --> 00:43:52.119
can get it from your kindle or you know, you

836
00:43:52.119 --> 00:43:53.639
can get it for download, or you can buy the

837
00:43:53.639 --> 00:43:56.639
hard copy. So yeah, just to remind everybody that this

838
00:43:56.679 --> 00:43:58.039
book is available.

839
00:43:57.599 --> 00:43:59.920
Right now in our in our shop at golf Smarter.

840
00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:01.559
You don't have to go anywhere else.

841
00:44:02.440 --> 00:44:02.639
Well.

842
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:05.960
Absolutely, And you know, someone asked me the other day,

843
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.039
they said, well, what's the greatest mistake you know, doctor

844
00:44:08.079 --> 00:44:11.760
winners that you think uh is in golf And I said, well,

845
00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.280
I mean I can give you my nine.

846
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:14.239
But I think the tenth.

847
00:44:14.119 --> 00:44:16.679
One is is that you fail. You make the mistake in.

848
00:44:16.719 --> 00:44:17.679
Not buying this book.

849
00:44:19.719 --> 00:44:22.840
So I think that's the greatest mental mistake it is.

850
00:44:22.880 --> 00:44:24.760
I mean, I just think you know, people who have

851
00:44:24.840 --> 00:44:25.760
read it, who've come.

852
00:44:25.679 --> 00:44:27.599
Up to me and they go wow, uh.

853
00:44:27.800 --> 00:44:30.920
And I get emails, you know, every day talking about

854
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:33.800
people who've had uh, they've cut you know, I mean,

855
00:44:33.800 --> 00:44:36.400
they've actually taken seven eight shots, you know, off of

856
00:44:36.440 --> 00:44:40.079
their score. They've shot their they've shot their lowest score.

857
00:44:41.079 --> 00:44:44.039
They got into a zone like state where they were

858
00:44:44.079 --> 00:44:47.280
playing one after one until I'm done. And I talk

859
00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:50.480
about that mantra uh in a lot of my chapters.

860
00:44:50.519 --> 00:44:52.280
But the point of it is.

861
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:56.239
That's what people want. They want something that's an easy read,

862
00:44:56.719 --> 00:44:59.800
that's simple and very specific. And that's always been my

863
00:45:00.159 --> 00:45:03.840
KISS principle. I've never thought about keeping it simple stupid,

864
00:45:03.920 --> 00:45:08.119
because golfers are not stupid people. They're very highly intelligent.

865
00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:10.920
They know what works, they know what works for them

866
00:45:11.199 --> 00:45:15.639
and what doesn't. So I've always said KISS means keeping

867
00:45:15.679 --> 00:45:19.119
it simple and keeping it specific, having a simple thought

868
00:45:19.559 --> 00:45:22.400
and a specific target. And here's what we need to do.

869
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.320
So let's go out and let's go do it. And

870
00:45:24.440 --> 00:45:27.000
so that's what mistake free golf has always been about.

871
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:31.639
Oh, absolutely fabulous. So to wrap this up, I'm just

872
00:45:31.760 --> 00:45:35.599
so curious about this. Tell me some of the people

873
00:45:35.639 --> 00:45:38.199
you've been working with and helping out, because we've been

874
00:45:38.239 --> 00:45:42.920
seeing some names that we don't recognize necessarily on the

875
00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:47.440
winners winning on the tour, both women and men. How

876
00:45:47.519 --> 00:45:50.719
many of these people can you say, Yep, I've had

877
00:45:50.760 --> 00:45:52.360
some input, I've worked with them.

878
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.960
Well, I mean, but people go into Yeah, if people

879
00:45:57.960 --> 00:46:03.320
go into the Doctor Bob Winters winners list every week,

880
00:46:03.400 --> 00:46:06.800
I have different winners on there. I can tell you

881
00:46:06.840 --> 00:46:09.639
one of the young stars that has done great over

882
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:12.840
this past year and who I've actually taken it sort

883
00:46:12.880 --> 00:46:15.360
of as a cub and brought him all the way up,

884
00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:18.760
you know, was Brooks Koepka, who's just a great talent,

885
00:46:18.840 --> 00:46:22.159
you know, from southern Florida and who played for Florida State.

886
00:46:22.239 --> 00:46:23.840
He's a great talent. It's going to be, you know,

887
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:28.960
working great. Another wonderful talent who just started working with

888
00:46:28.960 --> 00:46:32.199
her about eight months ago is the Korean golfer he

889
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:37.400
Young Park and He Young is an absolute fantastic talent.

890
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:42.079
We have you know, Elise Saramia who is a European

891
00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:45.719
tour pro and Perene Delacour who is a French LPGA

892
00:46:45.880 --> 00:46:48.960
tour professional. We've got, you know, so many new up

893
00:46:48.960 --> 00:46:51.400
and coming ones to go with the people that I've

894
00:46:51.400 --> 00:46:53.800
had the pleasure of working with in the past, such

895
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:57.360
as the Justin Roses and in the Lee Westwoods and

896
00:46:57.400 --> 00:47:00.360
the Michelle Wiez. But there's so many new play years

897
00:47:00.360 --> 00:47:05.079
coming up, and I love I love my developing tour players.

898
00:47:05.079 --> 00:47:06.840
You know, people you have worked.

899
00:47:06.559 --> 00:47:09.000
With Justin Rose and Michelle we or.

900
00:47:09.000 --> 00:47:12.639
Like yeah, yeah, years.

901
00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:15.960
Past, Yeah, oh you have Okay, awesome, awesome.

902
00:47:15.559 --> 00:47:18.400
Yeah, years and years years past now you know I

903
00:47:18.519 --> 00:47:20.280
you know, I don't work with him, you know, currently,

904
00:47:20.360 --> 00:47:22.920
but you know, through the years, through their developing. You know,

905
00:47:23.159 --> 00:47:25.800
I've been very lucky to have access, you know, to

906
00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:29.760
many of the Ledbetter people come through the Ledbetter Academy

907
00:47:30.320 --> 00:47:32.639
and you know, people such as the Sandra Gals to

908
00:47:32.760 --> 00:47:36.400
Julieta Granadas and people such as that you know, have

909
00:47:36.559 --> 00:47:39.800
worked with David and obviously you know, being with David,

910
00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.079
I'm going on my fifteenth year now being with David,

911
00:47:43.519 --> 00:47:46.599
and David's working on some new things has really sort

912
00:47:46.599 --> 00:47:50.559
of been pioneering some new strategies and it's very exciting,

913
00:47:50.639 --> 00:47:52.960
you know what he's doing. So a lot of things

914
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.920
we're doing at champions Gate is in collaboration, you know,

915
00:47:56.079 --> 00:47:59.599
with with everything, and it's all sort of interactive and

916
00:48:00.159 --> 00:48:03.960
so it's a mind body spirit. It's just a lot

917
00:48:04.039 --> 00:48:06.360
of great stuff going on right there. So it's just

918
00:48:06.480 --> 00:48:09.000
a lot of new things going on, Fred. But I'll

919
00:48:09.039 --> 00:48:11.400
tell you the greatest, you know, some of the greatest

920
00:48:12.119 --> 00:48:15.440
what I call success stories have come from some of

921
00:48:15.559 --> 00:48:19.639
my young college players who have now come out or

922
00:48:19.719 --> 00:48:23.880
going on the tours, the developmental tours, because the whole

923
00:48:23.960 --> 00:48:27.280
planet right now, Fred is a golf tour. Whether you're

924
00:48:27.320 --> 00:48:31.159
playing in Singapore, or you're playing in El Paso, Texas,

925
00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:34.480
or you're playing in southern California, or you're playing in Maine,

926
00:48:34.760 --> 00:48:38.079
there's a golf tournament going on somewhere right now where

927
00:48:38.079 --> 00:48:42.480
you've got great talented people playing. And much like tennis

928
00:48:42.519 --> 00:48:45.400
did twenty twenty five, thirty years ago, that's really what

929
00:48:45.559 --> 00:48:46.000
golf is.

930
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:47.719
I mean, I've been.

931
00:48:47.639 --> 00:48:51.519
Associating myself now with the Hurricane Junior Golf Tour, the

932
00:48:51.960 --> 00:48:56.119
AHAGA and the FCWT and so I've been doing a

933
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.000
lot of work with that and even the Maple Leaf

934
00:48:58.119 --> 00:49:01.719
Junior Golf Tour up in Canada. We're sort of developing

935
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:06.119
a whole new recruitment of junior golfers who are just

936
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:08.519
actually just you know, punching through and.

937
00:49:08.920 --> 00:49:11.599
Going to get there into the winner circle here very soon.

938
00:49:12.159 --> 00:49:13.239
And they start and.

939
00:49:13.239 --> 00:49:15.880
They're starting to come up younger because we have so

940
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:20.880
much competition now and better information, much like the Fred

941
00:49:20.960 --> 00:49:24.639
Green golf Smarter podcasts where golfers can go in and

942
00:49:24.840 --> 00:49:27.840
listen to some of the world's best talk about their

943
00:49:27.920 --> 00:49:30.880
skill and how they can make golfers better. So I

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always appreciate being on because it's a real honor to

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be with you and on your show, and hopefully we've

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given you, know, the listener, some great information you have and.

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I'm flattered that you would include me in that list.

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Thank you very much, doctor Bob. It was great to

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talk to you again, and once again, the book Mistake

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Free Golf First Aid for your Golfing Brain is available

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at Golfsmarter dot com in our golfersmart Doctor Bob, wonderful

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to speak to you. Best of luck in the future,

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and we look forward to talking to you when your

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next book comes out.

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Thanks Fred so much, and like I always tell you,

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I hope you always find your ball at the bottom

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of the cup.