May 26, 2026

Making Golf Your Job with Big Randy

Making Golf Your Job with Big Randy
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Phil Landis, better known as Big Randy from No Laying Up, joins host Josh Karp on Corrected Mistakes to discuss the origins of No Laying Up, the hidden gem golf courses across the country and what life is like when golf is your job.


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Former GolfSmarter host, Fred Greene has been nominated for the 2025 Audiocaster of the Year by the Bay Area Radio Hall of Fame Vote now at BARHOF.org. Voting is open through July 1.

Please welcome our new host of Golf Smarter, Josh Karp! Fred has retired and will be working on his game with more intention than ever. You can stay up-to-date with Josh on all the GolfSmarter social accounts or by reaching out at karpj2323@mac.com. To stay connected with Fred reach out at golfsmarterpodcast@gmail.com.

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I've had the chance.

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I haven't played every top golf course in the world,

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but I think of some amazing courses I've got to play.

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I can't really remember all the holes, Josh, but what

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I do remember are the people that you come across,

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and I mean I just think what I've learned most

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of them all is golf to me is a game

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of the people that play it.

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My first question is how many people come up to

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you when you meet them or who either know what

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you do or don't know what you do, and when

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you tell them what you do, how many people are

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like you are living my dream, either golf or non

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golf related.

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Yeah, quite a few, would I would say the percent

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is very high, and it always makes me feel extremely fortunate,

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blessed to do what we do.

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I'll be totally honest, Josh.

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I still am amazed when somebody recognizes me and it

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does happen Like I'm not going to say it doesn't happen.

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I don't want to come off like it happens all

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the time. But you know where it tends to happen

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outside of like golf settings, right, I think it's a

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little bit more prone. You get people that recognize you

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around golf tournaments or whatnot. Airports are a big place,

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I think. I think airports have been one. You know,

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my wife and I and we took our new little

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daughter down to Hilton Head a couple of weeks ago,

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or this was back in April, and some folks just

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happen to recognize you down, out and around.

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Like it never.

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It's always just a little bit surreal for me, Josh.

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And so yeah to your other question, like, I think,

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so wait a second, if I'm explaining what we do

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to somebody that's not familiar with me or with no

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laying up, let me get this straight.

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As usually the first question.

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You guys are paid to just you talk golf, and

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then sometimes you take trips and you film them and

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that's the job. And it's like, well, I mean yeah,

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in a certain respect, we got to do like we

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got to keep the business going on the back end, right,

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which people don't really see but from a forward, public

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facing point of view, Yeah, we taught golf, we travel around,

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we play golf, We put some of it on camera.

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It's a really nice gig.

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Well, you know, I mean not only that, I would

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imagine even people that don't I mean the golf part

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is like that obviously is a dream for a lot

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of people because you're working full time in the golf world. Yeah,

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but like also, I mean I can't tell you the

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number of I'm onlike about five different like text threads

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with people I went to college with, with people people

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I went to law school with, with people I went

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to grow up I grew up with, And at least

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you know, five times over the course of those things,

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somebody's like, you know, god, this would be a great podcast,

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and you actually did that with your college buddies, So

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talk a little bit. I mean, that's like incredible. I

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mean that is like, that's a real dream for people,

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I think, right, yeah, I mean, how much better can

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it get than having a job where you're kind of

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I mean, I know it's serious work, but you're messing

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around with your college buddies, right.

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Right, right right.

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And it's funny you mentioned you're on text threads, because

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that's really how it started for us in a lot

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of ways. We right, so there are five kind of

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partners at no laying up, and we've built out now

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to where there are eleven total people. But kind of

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going back to the origins, myself and two others, a

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guy named Todd Schuster and Chris Solomon. We all went

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to Miami University in Ohio together and that's where we met.

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That's where we discovered, hey, we all enjoy golf. We

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enjoy playing golf, we enjoy watching golf. But then fast

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forward after college, we went our separate ways. We all

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had you know, quote unquote real jobs. But the one

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thing that kept us in touch and through text messaging

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most of all, was we would just talk golf with

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each other. You know, We'd be sitting somewhere watching a

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tournament and I'd be shooting off text to Chris and

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Todd and yeah, Josh, that's I mean, truthfully, that is

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the genesis. And I think one thing I always say

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is we are very blessed. Timing right is everything. And

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so back in we recorded our very first podcast in

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April of twenty fourteen, and I think at that point,

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obviously there were podcasts, but there just wasn't a ton

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in the golf space specifically. And that was something that

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the three of us had found as fans, was like, hey,

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there's not really you know, as I'm starting to listen

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to some podcasts in different areas for me, like different sports.

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There just wasn't a golf podcast per se. And so

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we had the bright idea, hey, why why don't we

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start one, you know, and no pressure. We were, like

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I said, we all had different jobs. But yeah, I

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think just obviously very fortunate with time and place. And

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I you know, one of the other jokes I make

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is I think golf is always a little bit behind

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the time. So it was natural that maybe there wasn't

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as much podcast activity in golf specifically, but that that

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was it. It said, you know, why don't we take

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these conversations and these jokes and these you know, these

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things that we do amongst the three of us and

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sometimes more people, and maybe it can be a podcast.

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And here I am twelve years later, Josh getting to

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talk to you, and it is my.

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Full time job. So yeah, it's amazing.

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Yeah, I mean that that I mean, and that's really

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I mean, I think, first of all, I mean it's

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great and and it's like inspirational that I think you

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guys did that, and like really you know, and the

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success it's become. But you know, it's also like you know,

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people are always told, well, you'll never be able to

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do that. You'll never be able to do that, you know,

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don't you know, go be You were an accountant, right, yes, yeah, yeah,

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and all you guys were accountants, right.

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And I was God worked yeah, he worked actually in hospitality,

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he was he worked for the Ritz Carlton and was

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in hotel stuff.

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Right, Okay, So but so that's like, you know, I mean,

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you know there, you know there is don't be a screenwriter,

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don't be a journalist, don't be this, don't be that,

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because you know you'll never you'll never succeed and nobody

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earns a living doing that.

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I feel a little bad because today if I get

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asked the question, hey, I would love to start a

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pot you know, it is such a different environment. Of course,

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twelve years on from when we started, it's hard and

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I and I think it. I feel bad telling you know.

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We've had the opportunity myself specifically to talk to some

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college classes, you know, and and kids interested in kind

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of new media as I like to call it podcasting,

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you know, the the YouTube channels, things like that. I

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don't have great advice, and I'm so curious, Josh, because

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I feel like this does relate to like I'm sure

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as people tell you, hey, I want to be a writer,

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I want to get into print journalism, I would think

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specifically now or whatever it is, it's like, oh, my

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first thing is like good luck. It's very challenging. The

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hardest part is building having some type of audience, I

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think something that we benefited from. Like you said, we

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all had other jobs and so when we were starting this, truthfully,

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there was never an intent, even from when we made

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the first podcast, but before that it was just kind

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of a Twitter handle social media presence. We started a

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little blog, but there was never a pressure of hey,

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this has to work as a business, this has to

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be our job. We didn't feel any of that pressure,

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and I think we are so better off for it

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because it allowed us to just have fun. It allowed

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us to do things on our schedule. It allowed us

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to just kind of chase what we were interested in

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instead of feeling like we had to go talk about

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something or we had to do things a certain way.

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So like, really, the advice I try to give people,

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especially around podcasting, is like, just find something you really

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interested in and don't worry about monetizing it, because maybe

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that happens if you're lucky and a lot of things

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come together. But do it because you enjoyed talking to

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somebody or you enjoy covering a certain topic, and I

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think more often than that, hopefully that sets people up

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to maybe catch some breaks and turn it into something more.

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If they want.

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But absent of that, I'm like, I wish I had

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better advice for you.

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Guys.

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Had you told me twenty years ago when I was

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in college, like, hey, you're gonna be working in the

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golf industry doing a podcast, I'd have thought you were crazy.

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So it's yeah.

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Well so so yeah, So what was your relationship to golf,

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Like when did you start? When did you start playing?

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I played as a kid. I am very thankful my

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parents put me in you know that. I was probably

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six seven years old and it was a week in

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the summer and they were like, hey, there's a golf camp.

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It's introductory, like literally, they teach you how to hold

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a club, they teach you the very basics. So I

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did get exposure at a fairly young age. From that

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point though, it was always something I did a little

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sporadically and always in the summer when school was out,

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and even through high school and into college. I never

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played competitive golf. I never not that, I mean, there

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wasn't a huge interest to pursue like playing even on

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my high school golf team. I was doing other sports.

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And I always really loved golf because it was something

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I could do as an escape from whatever else was

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going on. And certainly as I got into college and

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then out of college and entered the real world, I mean,

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golf was a lifeline to just Hey, I can get

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out on the golf course for four hours and I

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don't have to worry about, you know this, whatever it was,

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And I really love that. And quite frankly, Josh, I

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think one of the biggest experiences, or I'm trying to

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think of the right word, just eye opening things about

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now working in golf full time for me, that relationship

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with golf changes a little bit and it's no longer

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an escape to just go out and play because I

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spend so much time day to day thinking about it,

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talking about it, watching it. I've had to kind of

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find other things to like when I'm okay, let's leave

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work and go do other stuff. And so yeah, I

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guess I just note that because it's interesting. But my

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experience with golf has always just been I was a fan.

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I enjoyed watching on TV, certainly the bigger and I

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would play with buddies growing up in the summer.

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You know, you've gotten to do a lot of golf

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Tourism would be the wrong way to put it, but

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you get to travel a lot and make these you know,

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these these you know, video series like Strapped. And I

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have to say, you know, you're saying you like to

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go to movies, and you know, I'm sure you're like me.

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You remember lines from you know, every ever. You know,

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there are like ten movie lines that you're like committed

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to memory. And I'm just going to read it so

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that I get it right. When you when you were

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in Lubbock, Texas and you guys, so this is unstrapped,

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this is the was that the most recent season? That

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was twenty twenty five.

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That is the most recent season.

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Yes, okay, And and you said you guys were staying

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at an Airbnb and it what you explained instead of

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me explaining what I saw, and then I'll say what

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I thought was sort of okay.

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Well, very briefly, Strapped is this series that essentially turns

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I think a lot of golf travel on its head

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and instead of going to the nicest places and the

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nicest courses, the basic premise is what if we leaned

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in entirely the other way and went to cities and

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locations that we would never otherwise go to and tried

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to find fun, quirky or just regular public access golf

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courses in those places. And so our very first trip

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was to Des Moines, Iowa. And the Texas season that

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you're referring to, I think is maybe our it's our

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eleventh or twelfth season, but yeah, West Texas.

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So we went to Lubbock.

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We started our trip in Lubbock, and then eventually in

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the series made our way a little further west out

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into the Midland Odessa area. And so I had never

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been to Lubbock obviously, well maybe not, but it's the

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home to Texas Tech University. That's like the only thing

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I kind of know about Lubbock. But as when we

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get there and as we learn, you know, Buddy Holly's

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from from Lubbock, and there's a Buddy Holly Museum, and

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there's all this stuff. You just discover about these little

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places as as you go there and visit. And so

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we had an Airbnbuh not in the nicest part of Lubbock,

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but it was a very cool airbnb that was musically

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themed and so there was like a Buddy Holly room,

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there was a rap hip hop room there. There were

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these different rooms and so that was the part of

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our trip when we were in Lubbock.

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And you were like literally behind a gas station ish

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kind of place, right and like and it was on

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this like desolate street and it was this.

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Really cool in the street.

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Yeah, and I think I believe the quote was what

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a place to be killed by a drifter? That's that.

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I think that was part observation in part like uh,

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reverse drinks almost because I would say the in the moment,

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we felt the chances of such a thing happening weren't zero.

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They weren't right, don't get me wrong, but uh yeah,

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you know they're just like I said, we were in

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this kind of old industrial part of town, but not

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a lot going on around us, and so that that

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right did cross our mind.

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Yeah, No, No, that was I. It was I. That

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was a riot And I love that. You guys were like,

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oh my god, Buddy Holly's career was only eighteen months long.

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That's wild.

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Right, Yeah, and the outsized influence he had with with

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musicians later on.

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I mean this.

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Learned all this from going to the We spent an

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afternoon at the Buddy Holly Museum there in Lubbock. But yeah,

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just just incredible.

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And I will say, if you do watch episode Texas Tech,

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their golf course, the Rolls Golf Course, which is publicly available,

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fabulous fabulous golf looked like a.

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Great course and the aerial view of it that they

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showed was unbelievable.

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Tom Dope designed it. Just a really nice college golf course.

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So if any of your listeners ever happened to be

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around Lovick, I would I would certainly give a recommendation

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to check out the Rolls.

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And it was sixty five bucks two or something like that. Yeah,

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and it was like totally reasonable, I mean, like beyond reasonable,

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Like you can't even play my public course for that

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near my house, you know.

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That's I'm in Denver Neil one of the other guys

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on that show. Yeah, in the New York City, getting

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down to that part of Texas and just experiencing things

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not costing as much it was.

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It was really nice.

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Oh, I know, I'm sure, And so you guys play,

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So one of the things I would ask you is,

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you know, like I know what it's like for me

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just to be you know, I've been playing for you know,

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forty plus years, and like, I know what it's like

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for me to be on the first tea somewhere and

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have people like and more than three people watching while

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I ta off on the first hole, yet not because

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they want to, but because they have to and because

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they're you know, they're waiting. How is it like swinging

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in golf club one knowing you're on camera? And two

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I believe in Lubbock, you guys played with a kid

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who was on the Walker Cup team for Scotland or

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something like that, right or on some Walker something like that,

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and he's a numb.

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One of the best amateur players in the world, plays

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at Texas Tech, was on the GB and I Walker

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Cup team. It's a trip, Josh, I I tell people, thankfully,

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my job involves playing golf, but it doesn't involve playing

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good golf. I think at this point in our journey,

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I have I have put the world possible golf I

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can play on camera, and so I truthfully feel a

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bit free now because I know, like it can't get worse.

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I've you know, you people can watch me shoot one

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hundred and something around Pebble Beach. People can watch me

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have the worst shanks of my life at Royal Dornick,

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like there are there is video evidence of me playing

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absolutely awful, awful, awful golf, and I think through that

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it's like, ah, I've I've done the worst. So it's

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it's very freeing. But when we were getting started, I

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would be lying if I didn't say there was a

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little sense of like just additional pressure, I guess, which

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is just natural. Uh, the other environment where we felt that,

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and now it's a lot better. We've had opportunities to

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play in some like pro ams ahead of different tournaments,

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and you know, you get a little gallery or you're

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playing with a certain PGA a r LPGA player and

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you want to put your best foot forward. I think

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all the experience of playing golf on camera has helped

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me be less nervous in those situations, which is which

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is really helpful. So yeah, it's this weird thing where

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I'm like, I'm not scared to play my worst golf anymore,

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which has been very freeing for me.

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That's gotta be. I mean, it's it's freeing just to

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I mean just to not care in a normal context. Yeah,

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I can't. I would imagine that it's gotta be extra

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freeing to be like, Okay, you know the you know,

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the whole world is you know, if they want to

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can see me, you know, hit a drive, you know,

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eighty yards onto the other farewell, right.

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You can see me hit some of the worst putts

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you've ever seen.

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In your life.

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My role too, I think within no laying up is

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I am not one of this quote unquote serious golfers,

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So there's not really pressure for me to like play

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well necessarily.

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Ever, sure, and I'll say that the.

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Kind of the perverse thing about putting golf on camera

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and this stuff that we do specifically is if you're

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not gonna play well, it's better for the content to

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play as poorly as possible. Not that I ever try

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to play as poorly as possible, but if you're gonna

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fail and balm and and be awful, then it's like, man,

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that's great.

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Content with you.

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And Neil, who you do the you know, the the

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strap stuff with right is you guys are uncommonly supportive

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of each other. Yea, as compared to like when I

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take golf trips with my friends. And first of all,

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I mean, what I love about the show is it

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the golf becomes very secondary because it's like very it

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feels very much just like no matter what age you are,

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it's very reminiscent of trips you take with your friends.

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You know, you're not your adult friends, but your friends

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you know from you know, your your close friends from

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childhood or high school or college or you know, your twenties, right,

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So it really feels like just a real, a regular

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trip that you would be taking and the kind of

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way people behave and then you've got the golf in there,

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and so it's a great mix. I mean, you guys

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really come off as you know, we were talking about

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this before. You come off as yourselves and you don't

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come off as performative, which is really nice.

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That's very nice to hear. I thank you for that.

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I think that's certainly our intent, our goal. I think

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I can say Neil and I and DJ who's who's

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always behind the camera some of the seasons you see

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him in front of the camera.

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Some the three of.

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Us just genuinely are good friends and we enjoy each

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other's company. I think, I think to your point of

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like Neil and I being supportive of each other, I

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really like that. I don't feel overly competitive outwardly on

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a golf course. Ever, I do feel like some like

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I want to play well just so I can prove

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it to myself that you know, I can play well

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for me. But the way we created the show was

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there are certain monetary benefits that we can achieve to

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add money to our budget by playing good golf, Neil

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and I both individually and together, and so that it's

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fostered this undercurrent of we want to root for each other.

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There's nothing where we're like we're competing against each other

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on the show and for me personally, like I said,

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I like that. But then looking wider, what I really

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love about the show is the golf serves as a

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vehicle to experience places and people. And I think that's

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that's when golf is at its most enjoyable for me.

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Because I think getting back to like, you know what,

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I what I was speaking about Tom Coin and and

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that escapism, you know, I I view golf as a

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means to go places and to meet people that I

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wouldn't otherwise, And I think Strapped, our show Strapped is

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a great example of getting to places we never would

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otherwise and you just meet fun, interesting people along the way.

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Yeah. Well, first off, you did meet a guy named

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Bammer Flippo too, which is like, yeah, if I ever

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write a movie, I know there's a character named Bamber

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Flippo somewhere in some movie that is like an epically

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great name. But then you guys get you know, did

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you what's what's been your favorite place you've gone to play?

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You know, what was the most interesting? And you do

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tourists us also obviously, and so you're going all over

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the world too, so like, you know, what, what have

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been your favorite trips golf wise, and then you know,

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beyond the golf.

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I mean the cop out answered Josh would be like,

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I like them all for different reasons, but I know

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that's not a good answer. Uh, Tour Sauce if anybody

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doesn't know. So that's another travel series, but that's kind

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of the other end of the spectrum from Strapped, where

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we're going to some of the coolest places around the world.

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Honestly, Tour Sauce.

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Is amazing because it's taken me to Scotland for the

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first time, it's taken me to Ireland for the first time,

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it's taken me to Scandinavia, to Australia. It's it's really

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special in that regard just getting to places and playing

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some golf courses that I can say definitively I would

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probably never get to play. Right Strapped, I think is

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more nuanced and I really love, like, you know, I

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go back to that very first one, going to des Moines, Iowa,

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and the reason we chose to Moine, Iowa was it

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just felt like the city that encompassed. Would you ever

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go to des Moines, Iowa if you didn't have to?

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I don't think so, And nothing against it. I found

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to be lovely and I had no mental picture of it,

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and so I was like, yeah, we have to go

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to des Moines because we would never go to des

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Moines otherwise.

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Right, So that one's.

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Special just because it was the first one and it

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was kind of the proof of concept for this whole

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Strap series. I'll say that the ones that I look

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back on most fondly probably Baton Rouge in New Orleans

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was a very fun season for me. I think going

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to Peoria, Illinois. I think Peoria is another city where

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you know, if you're in Peoria, you probably have to

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be there.

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But oh I was. I had to be there for

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a hockey tournament. Once there, you go and I will

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just this is I'm sure we'll get cut, but I

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and my greatest memory is going to the using the

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year and there was a thing over the toilet that

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said like, please try our gigantic Like it was like,

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there are gigant I have a picture of it somewhere,

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like our gigantic exploding taco pizza or something like that.

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And I was just like, good lord, like it's like

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that is that is not what I needed. A hockey

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teach advertise over.

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The urinal and then have one and then go to

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the skulls. That's right, exactly that works.

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That was exactly the progression I was envisioning. Yeah, but so.

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Yeah, yeah, uh Peoria was was great. We did that

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one like right kind of coming out of COVID when

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things were just starting to to open and and re

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emerge and Peoria had a little bit DJ went to

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Bradley University, which is right there, and so it was

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it was a fun episode or uh fun fun trip

474
00:26:55.960 --> 00:26:59.359
for him. I'd say the West Texas one was fabulous.

475
00:27:00.880 --> 00:27:06.039
We capped that West Texas by going to a football game.

476
00:27:06.000 --> 00:27:06.200
You know.

477
00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:09.519
The whole theme of the Strapped was kind of a

478
00:27:09.559 --> 00:27:15.000
play on Friday night lights. So yeah, again, just another

479
00:27:15.039 --> 00:27:19.720
area the country that I never would go to otherwise.

480
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:22.640
And so I think those are the ones that stand

481
00:27:22.680 --> 00:27:26.559
out above, you know, we I'm trying to think we

482
00:27:27.079 --> 00:27:29.839
did one in like Southern California, which was fun, but

483
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:32.839
like I've been, you know, I go to Southern California,

484
00:27:33.079 --> 00:27:37.720
It's not this faceless kind of place that I have

485
00:27:37.799 --> 00:27:38.559
no idea about.

486
00:27:38.640 --> 00:27:41.119
What are the most interesting courses you've I mean like that,

487
00:27:41.279 --> 00:27:44.240
not because they're a great course, but just because they're

488
00:27:44.319 --> 00:27:49.480
like unbelievably impossible or just in a weird setting, or

489
00:27:49.640 --> 00:27:51.079
you know, what are some of the you know, the

490
00:27:51.119 --> 00:27:54.079
places where you're just like wow, I can't believe I

491
00:27:54.119 --> 00:27:54.960
played that place.

492
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.279
Uh. I mean, if we're gonna stick to Strapped, I

493
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:06.519
would say, well, the best golf course, just objectively, the

494
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.720
best golf course we've played on that series is Tecnic

495
00:28:10.160 --> 00:28:16.240
Up in western Massachusetts, right near Williams College. Yeah, we

496
00:28:16.279 --> 00:28:18.799
took a lot of flack for that one because it's

497
00:28:18.839 --> 00:28:21.880
like a semi you know, I call it semi public.

498
00:28:22.359 --> 00:28:26.759
The other guys call it semi private. It's expensive, but

499
00:28:26.839 --> 00:28:30.240
it's a fabulous golf course. But it's that kind of

500
00:28:30.279 --> 00:28:33.079
stands apart. I think on that same trip we went

501
00:28:33.200 --> 00:28:36.640
I'm a big sucker. I love universities, I love college towns,

502
00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:40.640
and with that, we'll always check out a university golf course.

503
00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.400
We went up to Middlebury, Vermont and played the Ralph

504
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.799
Meyer golf course there, which I just loved. It's, you know,

505
00:28:49.160 --> 00:28:52.319
just a pretty golf course. It's not gonna be one

506
00:28:52.319 --> 00:28:54.279
that like, is gonna be one of your top ten

507
00:28:54.799 --> 00:28:57.279
favorite courses of all time, but it's just it's really

508
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:00.279
pretty and it's and it's a great walk and you'reunded

509
00:29:00.319 --> 00:29:02.440
by the green mountains of Vermont.

510
00:29:04.599 --> 00:29:08.279
We've played. Gosh, I'm trying to think of like the

511
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:11.319
weirdest or.

512
00:29:13.279 --> 00:29:16.200
I mean, Audubon Park in the middle of New Orleans

513
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.759
is a fabulous little I say little. It's like a

514
00:29:19.799 --> 00:29:24.400
par sixty eight right down there in New Orleans. That's

515
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:31.359
a great golf course. Uh, Forest Park is a Baltimore

516
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:34.880
I forget if it's a Baltimore City course or or

517
00:29:34.920 --> 00:29:38.839
a municipal course out there, but a lot of great history.

518
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:39.920
Jim Thorpe.

519
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:42.920
I don't know if you remember that name, former PGA player.

520
00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:46.400
Oh yeah, he's like built like a tank. I remember, Yeah,

521
00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.759
I loved him. I'm old enough to remember watching him

522
00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.599
play quite you know, quite a bit. Ye favorite.

523
00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.920
He and his brother grew up hitting balls at Forest Park,

524
00:29:56.000 --> 00:29:59.200
so that there was a really rich kind of African

525
00:29:59.240 --> 00:30:02.519
American history to that course, which was which was really neat.

526
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.599
We went out one of the courses we played in

527
00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:09.799
southern California, Vista. Is that the name of it? God,

528
00:30:09.839 --> 00:30:12.680
it's so bad now I'm bad with names. But we

529
00:30:12.720 --> 00:30:17.319
played with Max Homa, essentially Max Holma's childhood golf course.

530
00:30:17.880 --> 00:30:21.119
There's an eighteen whole course and then a little nine

531
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.960
hole kind of fun. You just hit all these crazy

532
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:28.880
different shots. I mean that one stands out truly, though, Josh,

533
00:30:28.920 --> 00:30:31.319
like I wish I had a little better answer.

534
00:30:31.759 --> 00:30:35.519
I think that's I think if you've answered perfectly well.

535
00:30:35.839 --> 00:30:39.160
I only say that because there are little nuanced like

536
00:30:39.200 --> 00:30:41.160
there was a golf course in Peoria, and I would

537
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:42.839
have to look up the name of it. I don't

538
00:30:42.880 --> 00:30:46.319
remember it offhand, but the tea box literally backed up

539
00:30:46.480 --> 00:30:53.759
to this apartment building and not like the nicest apartment building, right, but.

540
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:54.559
Like stuff like that.

541
00:30:54.599 --> 00:30:57.119
It's like, man, you just don't get that very often

542
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.319
on a golf course. So we try to a preciate

543
00:31:00.440 --> 00:31:05.880
the little just weird, fun quirky aspects of of like

544
00:31:06.680 --> 00:31:10.839
what otherwise would be like very mundane golf courses.

545
00:31:11.920 --> 00:31:14.720
How about well let me ask you this, because I

546
00:31:14.759 --> 00:31:17.559
will be remiss if I don't ask you the question.

547
00:31:17.799 --> 00:31:20.839
Everybody has asked you your every time they've had you on.

548
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:24.960
You are not your name is not legally Big Brandy

549
00:31:25.359 --> 00:31:28.359
unless you've changed it. You are your Phil Phil Landis.

550
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:30.960
So am I pronouncing the last name correct?

551
00:31:31.039 --> 00:31:32.000
That's right? That's right.

552
00:31:32.279 --> 00:31:35.880
Yes, Tell explain because this involves all kinds of things

553
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.279
that I love. Tell to explain how you became Big Grandy.

554
00:31:38.759 --> 00:31:43.960
Yeah, uh okay, So this goes back to Miami University.

555
00:31:44.079 --> 00:31:45.559
The aforementioned was.

556
00:31:45.680 --> 00:31:51.200
Uh was a student there and there was I don't

557
00:31:51.240 --> 00:31:54.240
know if you are a fan of the MTV Real

558
00:31:54.279 --> 00:31:55.559
World series.

559
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:58.279
Josh, yeah, I've have you ever watched it?

560
00:31:58.480 --> 00:31:58.759
Oh?

561
00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:00.480
I watched it absolutely.

562
00:32:00.359 --> 00:32:02.279
Okay, so you might know what I'm talking about that

563
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:04.720
I tell people younger than me. They have no idea,

564
00:32:04.759 --> 00:32:06.480
and I don't blame them. But do you remember the

565
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:09.839
San Diego season by any chance? Vaguely yes, And it

566
00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.359
would have been early two thousands because it coincided with

567
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:15.759
when I was a student at Miami. I lived in

568
00:32:15.799 --> 00:32:20.799
an off campus house, disgusting, dilapidated, thirteen guys, you know,

569
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:24.839
as gross as you can imagine. And on the second

570
00:32:24.880 --> 00:32:31.079
floor of this house there's one bathroom, and that bathroom

571
00:32:32.440 --> 00:32:34.519
you go through a swinging door. I'm gonna try to

572
00:32:34.519 --> 00:32:35.200
paint a picture.

573
00:32:35.240 --> 00:32:35.720
You go through a.

574
00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.279
Swinging door, and on the left there's a few sinks.

575
00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:42.720
You kind of keep going. It's this like rectangular, somewhat narrow.

576
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:46.400
There are a couple showers. I don't know if there

577
00:32:46.440 --> 00:32:49.599
were even urinals in there, But then a couple stalls

578
00:32:49.680 --> 00:32:55.519
at the very end of this bathroom. And so I promise,

579
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:57.200
I'm gonna tie this together. I'm throwing a lot of

580
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:02.160
things out. I don't know how the swinging door to

581
00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:05.359
this bathroom it came off its hinges, and so instead

582
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:07.839
of fixing it, we just decided to rip it off.

583
00:33:07.880 --> 00:33:09.680
And so all of a sudden, this bathroom on the

584
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:14.759
second floor there's no door to it, and that is

585
00:33:14.839 --> 00:33:19.359
important because across the hall is one of the rooms,

586
00:33:19.599 --> 00:33:22.519
and a guy who was living in that room had

587
00:33:22.559 --> 00:33:25.599
his desk set up to where now that there's no

588
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:29.400
door on the bathroom, when he's at his desk working

589
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:32.640
at his computer, he can kind of see not like

590
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:34.680
all the way into the bathroom, but he can certainly

591
00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:37.720
see people coming and going in the bathroom. And he

592
00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.079
was out going and he would love to chat you up,

593
00:33:40.480 --> 00:33:42.000
you know, if you were going in to take a

594
00:33:42.039 --> 00:33:44.839
shower or you know, do whatever. Right, he saw you

595
00:33:44.839 --> 00:33:46.880
go in and hey, Phil, you know what's going and

596
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.200
it's like, okay, okay. There's sometimes quite frankly, I don't

597
00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:52.759
want to be having a conversation if I'm in the

598
00:33:52.799 --> 00:33:55.720
shower or something.

599
00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:56.359
Else in the bathroom.

600
00:33:57.160 --> 00:33:59.279
And so one day I guy, I went in there.

601
00:33:59.279 --> 00:34:00.839
He must not have seen me go in, and I

602
00:34:00.880 --> 00:34:04.359
hear this this voice caller like, hey, who's in the bathroom?

603
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:06.680
What's going on? I'm like, oh gosh, I don't want

604
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:11.719
to and so I yelled out, it's me Randy. And

605
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:15.199
why the name Randy was at the front of my mind.

606
00:34:16.079 --> 00:34:20.079
I blame on Real World San Diego, which we would

607
00:34:20.119 --> 00:34:25.360
watch every week, and two of the main guy characters

608
00:34:25.679 --> 00:34:28.840
who I found pretty funny was a guy named Brad

609
00:34:29.159 --> 00:34:32.480
and his friend who they called Big Randy, right, and

610
00:34:32.519 --> 00:34:36.679
so Brad and Big Randy, and so I said the

611
00:34:36.679 --> 00:34:41.440
word Randy, and of course as I come out of

612
00:34:41.440 --> 00:34:45.199
the bathroom, the guy's like, Phil, you know, I, why'd

613
00:34:45.199 --> 00:34:47.119
you tell me your name was Randy? Like I'm like,

614
00:34:47.239 --> 00:34:49.000
I just didn't want to have a conversation in there

615
00:34:49.039 --> 00:34:54.239
with you. And then it just slowly starts to stick

616
00:34:54.360 --> 00:34:57.800
Josh the name Randy, and it sticks to the point

617
00:34:57.880 --> 00:35:02.159
where we get out of call. We're starting this social media,

618
00:35:02.280 --> 00:35:08.039
this blog. I have a real job, and the question

619
00:35:08.280 --> 00:35:11.079
is do I want to like, do all this under

620
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:15.320
my real name? And as an accountant, I'm sure other

621
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:18.840
professions do this too. They kind of drill into you essentially,

622
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:22.599
like everything you write and say as an employee of

623
00:35:22.599 --> 00:35:25.440
this company, imagine it being on the front page of

624
00:35:25.760 --> 00:35:29.519
the newspaper. And so you're kind of conditioned to be like,

625
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:31.440
oh god, I don't want to say anything wrong. I

626
00:35:31.440 --> 00:35:35.199
don't want to like And so I thought, hey, why

627
00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:40.639
don't I use this nickname of mine to create this character?

628
00:35:41.039 --> 00:35:44.239
As we go about you know, whatever we're doing here

629
00:35:44.239 --> 00:35:48.400
in this golf company, and so I chose to Yeah,

630
00:35:48.400 --> 00:35:52.079
I'll just use the name Randy. And I can't tell

631
00:35:52.119 --> 00:35:56.840
you how many times since I've made that decision fifteen.

632
00:35:56.199 --> 00:35:58.639
Plus years ago. If I could twitch my.

633
00:35:58.719 --> 00:36:00.960
Nose and know what I know now and go back,

634
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:03.280
I'd be like, life would be so much easier if

635
00:36:03.320 --> 00:36:07.719
I just used my real name from the start when

636
00:36:07.719 --> 00:36:09.960
I was first dating my wife. I mean, having to

637
00:36:10.039 --> 00:36:14.400
explain to a date, Uh you might if you do

638
00:36:14.639 --> 00:36:17.039
check out what I do for work, you're going to

639
00:36:17.079 --> 00:36:19.679
see that I go by Randy. I promise you my

640
00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.880
real name is Phil. It just has made a lot

641
00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:26.480
of awkward conversations through my life, but they're always good stories.

642
00:36:26.480 --> 00:36:28.119
So I am. I am thankful for that.

643
00:36:28.400 --> 00:36:31.039
And how cool that you have an alias? Like yeah, right,

644
00:36:31.119 --> 00:36:32.920
I mean we don't all get ever, like, yeah, we

645
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:34.519
can make up aliases, but we don't.

646
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:38.679
I'll tell you nothing tickle, you know, I'll send some

647
00:36:38.840 --> 00:36:43.679
like professional emails talking to you know. We might be

648
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:46.800
working with with a company and I do a lot

649
00:36:46.840 --> 00:36:50.199
of our what I do, like our back end accounting

650
00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:53.400
and bookkeeping, and I'm kind of like in a very

651
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:56.360
small sense like a CFO if you will. And so

652
00:36:57.800 --> 00:37:00.599
it tickles me to no end when I when I

653
00:37:01.039 --> 00:37:06.000
these these very professional people start an email dear big

654
00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.800
Randy or I'm like, do they know that's not my

655
00:37:09.880 --> 00:37:10.400
real name?

656
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:11.760
You can call it?

657
00:37:11.800 --> 00:37:11.880
Like?

658
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.800
Do I tell them they can call me Phil? Is

659
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.800
that just going to confuse him more? I do get

660
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:17.440
a kick out of.

661
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.480
That, though, Yeah, No, that must be really I mean,

662
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.280
I you know, I mean, I think at some point

663
00:37:23.320 --> 00:37:25.159
all of us have you know, when we're kids, you

664
00:37:25.239 --> 00:37:27.800
always you know, like wish you had a different name

665
00:37:27.920 --> 00:37:31.400
for like for six months or something. But I guess

666
00:37:31.440 --> 00:37:33.119
that Grandy was not the one you thought of when

667
00:37:33.119 --> 00:37:34.400
you were a kid, when you were trying.

668
00:37:34.199 --> 00:37:37.440
Toll And my mom's a little my mom's never quite

669
00:37:37.480 --> 00:37:38.960
been able to get used to it.

670
00:37:39.960 --> 00:37:41.000
She doesn't love it.

671
00:37:41.119 --> 00:37:48.559
But that's now your parents, I'm sure, Like, like if

672
00:37:48.599 --> 00:37:51.760
I ever, you know, had a real job and told

673
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:54.000
my parents, you know, like, oh, by the way, I'm

674
00:37:54.039 --> 00:37:56.639
not you know, fifteen years ago. Yeah, you know, like

675
00:37:56.679 --> 00:37:58.320
we've been you know, we had this text thing and

676
00:37:58.360 --> 00:38:00.599
now we're doing it on Twitter. Now that was a

677
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:03.719
blog and we're going to do it this podcast and

678
00:38:03.760 --> 00:38:05.559
once it got successful, and was there kind of an

679
00:38:05.559 --> 00:38:08.760
adjustment period where people were like, wait, you're really doing this,

680
00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:11.519
this is like a job, You're making a living from this.

681
00:38:12.159 --> 00:38:14.599
I think so, God bless my parents.

682
00:38:14.719 --> 00:38:22.639
I will always always appreciate their lack of concern and

683
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:27.000
pressure with my professional life, and I mean that sincerely.

684
00:38:27.239 --> 00:38:27.840
That's awesome.

685
00:38:27.960 --> 00:38:33.119
Gave me space too, because prior to being able to

686
00:38:33.199 --> 00:38:36.599
do this full time, I had already left the accounting world.

687
00:38:37.599 --> 00:38:38.480
I had actually coached.

688
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:41.800
Yeah, I got back to school for a couple of years,

689
00:38:42.039 --> 00:38:46.039
but then went not one hundred and eighty degrees the

690
00:38:46.039 --> 00:38:48.760
opposite way and was working at a high school and

691
00:38:49.119 --> 00:38:52.159
coaching high school basketball, and.

692
00:38:53.440 --> 00:38:56.039
It was a lot of school. I just.

693
00:38:57.639 --> 00:39:01.840
Yeah, my parents never were like, Phil, what are you

694
00:39:01.840 --> 00:39:04.920
you know you're you have two degrees now you're not

695
00:39:05.159 --> 00:39:12.239
using Like what's the plan? I'm sure there were many

696
00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:15.760
nights where they had some conversations at home about what

697
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:16.719
is he doing?

698
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:18.679
Should we be worried?

699
00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:23.039
And I just never they never put that on me,

700
00:39:23.079 --> 00:39:26.280
and I am very very grateful to them for that.

701
00:39:27.239 --> 00:39:29.960
They they truly kind of let me find my way,

702
00:39:30.039 --> 00:39:32.920
and like I that's a big reason why I do

703
00:39:32.960 --> 00:39:36.239
feel very very fortunate being able to do what I'm

704
00:39:36.280 --> 00:39:40.079
doing because it's I had no idea a lot of

705
00:39:40.119 --> 00:39:42.760
times how anything would work out or what I would

706
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.400
be doing, and so I do just feel very lucky

707
00:39:45.639 --> 00:39:47.199
to be in a position like this.

708
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:56.079
That was the big turning point for you guys, was

709
00:39:56.079 --> 00:39:58.440
that when Rory came on your show.

710
00:39:58.840 --> 00:40:03.760
That was a big turning point for sure. I mean

711
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:06.840
what was Yeah, Yeah, I mean.

712
00:40:06.800 --> 00:40:12.960
Rory brings interest and eyeballs and listens like that.

713
00:40:12.960 --> 00:40:13.920
That was huge.

714
00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:19.280
We went through a stretch and Rory was certainly the biggest,

715
00:40:19.440 --> 00:40:24.400
if if not one of those, but we were fortunate

716
00:40:24.519 --> 00:40:28.000
enough to talk to like Jordan Spieth and Justin Thomas

717
00:40:28.039 --> 00:40:33.760
and then Rory McElroy and I think that run and

718
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:39.239
this is like again twenty fifteen into twenty sixteen, I

719
00:40:39.280 --> 00:40:43.480
want to say, when we're very much still just a

720
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:50.400
fledgling little podcast, those guys just lend credibility to what

721
00:40:50.519 --> 00:40:55.960
we're doing and they bring interest, and yeah, I mean

722
00:40:56.280 --> 00:41:01.280
we owe all the players and caddies and broadcasters and Josh,

723
00:41:01.320 --> 00:41:03.320
I've talked to you on a on a Trap Drawl

724
00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:06.199
eight years ago, which is our other podcast channel, right,

725
00:41:06.639 --> 00:41:09.239
I just we owe a lot to the guests that

726
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.199
say yes and give us their time. But Rory, you

727
00:41:12.199 --> 00:41:15.239
can put right at the top of the list of

728
00:41:15.599 --> 00:41:18.320
you know that that was a big, capital B big

729
00:41:18.360 --> 00:41:19.840
moment for us for sure.

730
00:41:21.079 --> 00:41:24.679
Now, when did when did you guys start getting into

731
00:41:24.760 --> 00:41:26.719
doing the videos and stuff like that? Like when did

732
00:41:26.760 --> 00:41:28.880
you kind of expand beyond podcasting? Because he said, you've

733
00:41:28.920 --> 00:41:31.920
been doing strapped for twelve years, so that's like from

734
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:32.559
pretty early.

735
00:41:33.440 --> 00:41:36.039
Yeah. Yeah, So.

736
00:41:37.719 --> 00:41:43.760
We got connected DJ Piehowski, who is now one of

737
00:41:43.760 --> 00:41:47.480
the five kind of partners that no laying up. He

738
00:41:47.599 --> 00:41:50.599
used to work for the PGA tour and as we

739
00:41:50.599 --> 00:41:55.199
were kind of growing our social media presence, we just

740
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:57.679
had a lot of fun interactions with DJ and was

741
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:00.800
somebody that we knew online before we have met in

742
00:42:00.840 --> 00:42:04.039
real life. But then when we did meet him in

743
00:42:04.079 --> 00:42:08.039
real life, just a great guy and his role at

744
00:42:08.039 --> 00:42:15.079
the tour was more in video production, kind of taught

745
00:42:15.159 --> 00:42:21.559
himself editing as well, and DJ was getting I mean,

746
00:42:21.599 --> 00:42:24.280
it's his story to tell, but the short version of

747
00:42:24.400 --> 00:42:26.679
I think he was just getting a little bit disillusioned

748
00:42:26.679 --> 00:42:29.320
working at the tour for however many years at that

749
00:42:29.400 --> 00:42:33.360
point and was looking for something new if it came along,

750
00:42:33.519 --> 00:42:39.360
and so I think he saw in us and we

751
00:42:39.400 --> 00:42:42.440
saw in him. I can say definitively we saw in

752
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.639
him somebody that possessed skills that we did not, and

753
00:42:45.679 --> 00:42:50.039
that was on the video side. And so when we

754
00:42:50.119 --> 00:42:53.360
began working with DJ in I want to say that

755
00:42:53.400 --> 00:43:01.199
was like twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. He is, I mean,

756
00:43:01.239 --> 00:43:05.639
he opened up kind of the video lane for us

757
00:43:05.960 --> 00:43:08.920
and encourage us to travel and we could film some

758
00:43:08.920 --> 00:43:09.480
cool stuff.

759
00:43:09.519 --> 00:43:11.280
And so it really started from there.

760
00:43:12.719 --> 00:43:15.079
With with him in his background.

761
00:43:17.119 --> 00:43:19.760
Now, I just want to go back to the playing aspect,

762
00:43:21.199 --> 00:43:24.719
you know, with you know, when you're playing with Max Hama,

763
00:43:24.920 --> 00:43:28.199
right and you're playing with that kid I don't remember

764
00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:29.880
his name of the kid from Scotland who plays at

765
00:43:29.880 --> 00:43:33.480
Texas Tech. So like what you know, I mean, I've

766
00:43:33.519 --> 00:43:35.840
been to tournaments and I see how these guys hit

767
00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:38.679
the ball from the gallery. What is it like when

768
00:43:38.719 --> 00:43:41.800
you see like somebody like Max Hama? I mean, what

769
00:43:41.920 --> 00:43:45.400
is the difference when you see somebody like that at

770
00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:48.400
a golfall in person?

771
00:43:49.079 --> 00:43:53.280
It's it's the it's the cliche of it sounds different

772
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:56.840
is the best way I can describe it. I think

773
00:43:57.159 --> 00:44:00.840
it just it's just got a different noise to it

774
00:44:00.960 --> 00:44:02.920
than when you and I hit.

775
00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:03.480
A golf ball.

776
00:44:05.639 --> 00:44:12.960
The Max specifically, I think Max is by world ranking,

777
00:44:13.079 --> 00:44:19.239
the best player I've ever played with, and from that

778
00:44:19.440 --> 00:44:23.559
strap trip specifically where we were in southern California with him,

779
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.320
I mean his ballflight, he hits a ball and where

780
00:44:27.360 --> 00:44:32.000
you would expect, even like you know Sally and I mean,

781
00:44:32.119 --> 00:44:34.920
Neil's a really good player. Kniel's like a two handicap now,

782
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:40.000
Sali fluctuates between like a plus one to a two handicap.

783
00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:44.639
You know, these guys are all around scratch, but you

784
00:44:44.719 --> 00:44:49.079
just kind of expect ballflight, it's gonna it's gonna apex

785
00:44:49.159 --> 00:44:52.000
here and it's gonna start to fall. And then you

786
00:44:52.079 --> 00:44:54.599
watch a guy like Max Homa up close hit a

787
00:44:54.599 --> 00:44:58.360
golf ball and that Paul just kind of flies through

788
00:44:58.480 --> 00:45:01.320
and pass the point where you're like, okay, that ball

789
00:45:01.360 --> 00:45:04.400
should start coming down now, and it's like nope, it's

790
00:45:04.519 --> 00:45:08.400
just holding its line and it's going in extra you

791
00:45:08.440 --> 00:45:14.360
know what, twenty thirty yards and it The other thing

792
00:45:14.400 --> 00:45:19.079
that always strikes me too is the lack of violence

793
00:45:19.320 --> 00:45:24.760
in the golf swing to produce that much distance. I

794
00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:29.079
always think there's a there's a degree of effortlessness to

795
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.920
it that just doesn't quite compute in my head.

796
00:45:33.280 --> 00:45:34.079
It's like, wait, how.

797
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:36.840
Are you hitting that ball three twenty? It doesn't look

798
00:45:36.920 --> 00:45:41.400
like you're really going after it. Like that's where it

799
00:45:41.639 --> 00:45:45.400
just doesn't quite make sense to me. But the acoustics

800
00:45:45.440 --> 00:45:48.760
of it, the sight of it, like just staying in

801
00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:53.519
the air holding its line, and just the swing itself,

802
00:45:53.559 --> 00:45:55.800
like those are always the three things where I'm just like, yeah,

803
00:45:55.840 --> 00:45:57.480
it's just different, you know.

804
00:45:57.480 --> 00:45:59.320
It's like, no, it's it's crazy.

805
00:45:59.679 --> 00:45:59.800
One.

806
00:45:59.840 --> 00:46:02.800
I'm kids as a caddy and and he caddied in

807
00:46:02.840 --> 00:46:06.480
the Western Amateur. Was at the Skokie Country Club, which

808
00:46:06.519 --> 00:46:10.760
is right near the house, and he and I went

809
00:46:10.800 --> 00:46:14.159
and watched and like and and he he was telling

810
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:15.840
me the first day he caddied for a kid who

811
00:46:15.880 --> 00:46:18.159
was like a Division three champion at some school I've

812
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:20.800
never even you know, you never even know the name.

813
00:46:21.320 --> 00:46:23.679
And he said, you know, the guy was having like,

814
00:46:23.760 --> 00:46:25.760
you know, a miserable day, you know, shooting like a

815
00:46:25.800 --> 00:46:31.400
seventy five on this incredibly difficult course. And uh. And

816
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:33.079
he said, one time the guy just looked at him

817
00:46:33.119 --> 00:46:35.039
and in frustration, he goes, you ever see somebody in

818
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.800
a three hundred and fifteen yard three wood that hooks

819
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:39.880
around a tree. And my son was like no, and

820
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:42.519
he's like, you're about to and he just boom, you know,

821
00:46:42.559 --> 00:46:44.239
and he did exactly what he said. And I was

822
00:46:44.320 --> 00:46:47.800
and I went and watched and like, yeah, these like

823
00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:49.840
and these guys, you know, I mean, they're great and

824
00:46:49.880 --> 00:46:52.840
they're but you know, who knows whether they'll ever even

825
00:46:53.079 --> 00:46:56.320
rise to the level being tour players, and they're doing

826
00:46:56.360 --> 00:46:59.719
stuff you can't begin to fathom. As you know, you think, oh,

827
00:46:59.760 --> 00:47:01.559
I'm pretty good, you have a twelve handicap, you know,

828
00:47:01.960 --> 00:47:04.000
and then you just see them hit shots like where

829
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:07.840
you're like, I don't know. My son said that the

830
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.639
caddies couldn't couldn't follow the ball because they had never

831
00:47:14.199 --> 00:47:14.800
I believe it.

832
00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.760
Yeah, you're just so cut like seeing it out of

833
00:47:17.800 --> 00:47:21.079
a different window or yeah, no, I totally believe that.

834
00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.639
So when you're with a PGA guy, that's got to

835
00:47:23.679 --> 00:47:24.480
be insane.

836
00:47:24.880 --> 00:47:26.840
Yeah, thing one hundred.

837
00:47:27.679 --> 00:47:31.960
It just it's a different sport, like truly, I that's

838
00:47:32.000 --> 00:47:37.159
what I tell people, like the PGA guys, like men's

839
00:47:37.199 --> 00:47:40.960
professional golf at large is a different sport than the

840
00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:44.360
one I play just in terms of what they're able

841
00:47:44.440 --> 00:47:48.320
to do with the golf ball and distance wise, and uh,

842
00:47:48.559 --> 00:47:53.880
it's it's amazing for that respect. No, you're telling that story,

843
00:47:53.960 --> 00:47:55.679
just jog my memory, like if I can bring it

844
00:47:55.719 --> 00:47:59.000
back to Tom Coin again his book Paper Tiger, Like

845
00:47:59.079 --> 00:48:04.039
that was one of the big takeaways was him, Like

846
00:48:04.119 --> 00:48:07.119
one of the big takeaways of that book is him

847
00:48:07.360 --> 00:48:12.840
essentially telling the reader like, the best golfer at your

848
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:18.320
club is in a different stratosphere and not in a

849
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:20.519
good way than the guys you see on tour. Like

850
00:48:20.639 --> 00:48:23.760
essentially the idea that scratch I think his term is

851
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.920
like scratch as shit, And it's like if you're a

852
00:48:26.960 --> 00:48:30.519
scratch golfer when you think about the guys we see

853
00:48:30.559 --> 00:48:33.599
every weekend on the PGA tour, Like there is such

854
00:48:33.719 --> 00:48:38.159
a big golf between the best golfer that you and

855
00:48:38.239 --> 00:48:43.079
I know Josh in person and the world class like

856
00:48:43.159 --> 00:48:45.960
top one hundred, top two hundred type players.

857
00:48:46.119 --> 00:48:48.199
It's I don't.

858
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.480
Know how anybody does it, Like truly, I don't. It

859
00:48:51.840 --> 00:48:58.559
seems like the hardest ladder to climb. It just yeah,

860
00:48:58.639 --> 00:48:59.639
it boggles the mind.

861
00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.519
Yeah, somebody once told me. They said too, they're like

862
00:49:02.519 --> 00:49:05.159
you know, the difference between you and the pro at

863
00:49:05.159 --> 00:49:09.920
your club is less the difference between at the time

864
00:49:10.039 --> 00:49:12.440
when Tiger was on top. He's like, is the difference

865
00:49:12.559 --> 00:49:15.079
is less than the differenentween Tiger and the number fifty

866
00:49:15.119 --> 00:49:17.119
person on the tour. That the guys who are at

867
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.639
the top are playing at a level that is so

868
00:49:21.239 --> 00:49:23.960
beyond what you can you know, He's like, you can

869
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.760
play with that guy, you know, like you know, you

870
00:49:26.599 --> 00:49:30.400
you know, you can conceptually conceivably get you know, good

871
00:49:30.519 --> 00:49:32.960
enough where you know you can play almost like you know,

872
00:49:33.199 --> 00:49:36.519
I can't, but you know, like the club pro you know,

873
00:49:36.639 --> 00:49:38.079
or somebody like that or like that, you know, but

874
00:49:38.119 --> 00:49:40.519
they're like that's you watch people who you're amazed by

875
00:49:40.559 --> 00:49:44.039
and they're they're not even that difference is so much

876
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:47.280
less than the difference between the best like Scottie and

877
00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.000
every you know, and then number thirty.

878
00:49:49.480 --> 00:49:53.239
Yeah, yeah, it's And the longer I go and I

879
00:49:53.320 --> 00:49:56.840
know I'm not breaking ground here, but it's the consistency, right, Like,

880
00:49:56.920 --> 00:49:59.960
that's what in my mind lay And there are physical

881
00:50:00.119 --> 00:50:03.039
gifts that that I think separate. But you know, you

882
00:50:03.079 --> 00:50:06.280
were telling a story about that D three All American kid,

883
00:50:06.400 --> 00:50:11.079
like he's I'm sure he's got the physical tools, it's

884
00:50:11.239 --> 00:50:16.159
just it's a lot mental and then it's a lot consistency.

885
00:50:16.320 --> 00:50:16.519
Right.

886
00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:19.519
I think, like the club pro you're talking about, like

887
00:50:19.679 --> 00:50:23.760
maybe on his best day he could hang with like

888
00:50:23.800 --> 00:50:26.920
a Max Homer if Max is having an off day, right,

889
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:29.239
But you do that three hundred and sixty five days

890
00:50:29.239 --> 00:50:32.880
a year, and it's like it's no contest. The thing

891
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.559
that I also just popped in my head as we're

892
00:50:36.320 --> 00:50:41.159
saying this, it's really jarring to watch guys like Max

893
00:50:41.239 --> 00:50:46.480
like hit bad shots quote unquote uh or not good shots.

894
00:50:46.960 --> 00:50:49.679
Like obviously they're not deaf in the ball, Like I

895
00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:51.719
don't want to speak for you, Josh, but I have

896
00:50:51.760 --> 00:50:52.360
a defenity.

897
00:50:52.559 --> 00:50:54.320
Oh trust me completely.

898
00:50:54.920 --> 00:50:57.119
Yeah, they're not doing that, but they can't hit like

899
00:50:57.239 --> 00:51:02.519
bat like like that's not a good shot. But what

900
00:51:02.599 --> 00:51:05.199
always sticks with me is like, Okay, I hit a

901
00:51:05.239 --> 00:51:08.960
bad shot, and Max Homa hits a bad shot. One

902
00:51:08.960 --> 00:51:11.159
of us as a world class player, So guess who's

903
00:51:11.199 --> 00:51:15.440
gonna get like back into position and not like be

904
00:51:15.519 --> 00:51:18.519
put behind the eight ball by that bad shot Max Homa, Right,

905
00:51:18.639 --> 00:51:22.480
because it's it's bad shots happen. But I think also

906
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:24.920
what these best of the best can do. Is like

907
00:51:25.119 --> 00:51:28.639
they recover from the bad shot because they're so good,

908
00:51:29.119 --> 00:51:31.760
whereas like a bad shot for me can like all

909
00:51:31.800 --> 00:51:34.159
of a sudden, I'm looking at triple bogie or something.

910
00:51:34.199 --> 00:51:34.400
You know.

911
00:51:34.880 --> 00:51:36.880
So they're also not as with.

912
00:51:38.559 --> 00:51:43.840
Difficult I was gonna let you say that, but yeah,

913
00:51:43.880 --> 00:51:46.960
just their recovery ability, right that, their their ability to

914
00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.480
put one shot behind them the other thing. Sorry, I'm

915
00:51:50.519 --> 00:51:52.920
I'm I'm like things are just popping into my mind.

916
00:51:53.000 --> 00:51:55.079
That round I played with Max Homa and and I

917
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:57.719
use him again because I think he's like the best

918
00:51:57.800 --> 00:51:59.239
player I've like really played that.

919
00:51:59.320 --> 00:51:59.880
Much golf with.

920
00:52:02.360 --> 00:52:05.440
He's kind of goofing around with us throughout the round,

921
00:52:05.480 --> 00:52:09.320
like obviously he's not taking it super seriously, but he's

922
00:52:09.360 --> 00:52:13.000
got this when it's his turn to play, he's got

923
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:17.960
this ability to just mentally flip a switch and lock

924
00:52:18.039 --> 00:52:22.320
into a shot for let's call it ten seconds, right,

925
00:52:23.280 --> 00:52:27.760
That is really cool to see up close. He can

926
00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:31.840
be talking shit, we're busting each other's balls, and then

927
00:52:31.840 --> 00:52:33.719
it's Max turned to the play and it's like, Okay,

928
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.800
a switch flips and he is locked into here's what

929
00:52:37.880 --> 00:52:40.880
I have to do. And Neil and I joke, I

930
00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.039
don't know if it's on camera, but uh, you know,

931
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:46.280
the golf course we played with Max, we.

932
00:52:46.280 --> 00:52:47.840
Went back and kind of thought about it.

933
00:52:47.800 --> 00:52:50.599
And it's like, you know what, Max was like beneath

934
00:52:50.639 --> 00:52:54.480
the hole in the proper place on the green every

935
00:52:54.639 --> 00:52:58.159
single time, and it's like that stuff is just automatic,

936
00:52:58.519 --> 00:53:04.039
seemingly automatic for those guys, and it just I loved

937
00:53:04.079 --> 00:53:06.440
playing with Max and like a casual setting like that

938
00:53:06.639 --> 00:53:10.639
because you can you can see him still lock into

939
00:53:10.679 --> 00:53:14.159
the shots and the execution is just still there, like

940
00:53:14.239 --> 00:53:17.840
he just never puts himself in a bad position around

941
00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:18.320
the greens.

942
00:53:18.440 --> 00:53:18.960
Especially.

943
00:53:20.280 --> 00:53:20.480
Yeah.

944
00:53:20.559 --> 00:53:22.599
No, that's I mean, I think that that is you know,

945
00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:27.519
like it's I I went one time, I went with

946
00:53:27.559 --> 00:53:30.840
a friend to play in Austin, Texas, and he was like,

947
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.480
he goes, you know, he's like, why are you trying

948
00:53:34.480 --> 00:53:36.760
to get on the green from there? And I was,

949
00:53:36.800 --> 00:53:39.840
and he's like, your problem isn't how you play golf.

950
00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:42.159
Isn't your ability to play golf. He's like, your problem

951
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:43.320
is the way you play golf.

952
00:53:43.519 --> 00:53:46.039
The decision making is such yeah yeah.

953
00:53:45.920 --> 00:53:48.440
And he goes, he goes, he goes, let me pick

954
00:53:48.480 --> 00:53:51.079
your clubs for the next three holes and let me,

955
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:52.199
let me tell you where to hit it. And I

956
00:53:52.239 --> 00:53:55.960
was like, whatever you know, And sure enough, I like

957
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:57.320
part of three holes in a row and it was

958
00:53:57.440 --> 00:54:00.639
just like to and I have not and and it

959
00:54:00.679 --> 00:54:03.840
takes so much for me to lock in mentally to

960
00:54:04.039 --> 00:54:06.119
actually do I guess course management would be what you

961
00:54:06.199 --> 00:54:08.039
describe it as. But those guys, I mean, they just

962
00:54:08.199 --> 00:54:10.480
know it, right, I mean, they just they they know

963
00:54:11.159 --> 00:54:13.000
they've played so much golf and they're so good that

964
00:54:13.039 --> 00:54:15.719
they just know where they want to be all the time,

965
00:54:15.840 --> 00:54:16.159
which is.

966
00:54:16.199 --> 00:54:18.199
It's essentially managing your misses.

967
00:54:18.480 --> 00:54:22.840
Like I. I think that's another big eye opener about

968
00:54:22.840 --> 00:54:25.079
the professional game is I used to think it's about

969
00:54:25.079 --> 00:54:27.960
who can hit the most, who can hit the best

970
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:30.559
shots most often, And now it's like it's almost like

971
00:54:31.079 --> 00:54:35.840
who can hit the best bad shots most often, or

972
00:54:36.199 --> 00:54:40.039
who can turn their bad shots into like not that

973
00:54:40.239 --> 00:54:45.840
bad most often? And that's yeah, that's like a level

974
00:54:45.880 --> 00:54:48.440
of the game that I mean, I got so much

975
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:50.800
stuff going through my head anyway, Josh over the ball

976
00:54:50.880 --> 00:54:54.239
where it's like I can't add much more, Like I

977
00:54:55.679 --> 00:54:59.920
right right, the spectrum of where my shot can miss

978
00:55:00.159 --> 00:55:04.400
is so wide. I can top the ball I can

979
00:55:04.480 --> 00:55:07.440
shank the ball, I can pull hook. You know, it's like,

980
00:55:07.519 --> 00:55:12.320
how do you manage those types of misses? It seems Yeah, No,

981
00:55:12.440 --> 00:55:15.800
I remember reading that Jack Nicholas. They said he before

982
00:55:15.800 --> 00:55:19.199
he hit every shot he ever hit, he would envision

983
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:20.880
where it was going to land, what it was going

984
00:55:20.960 --> 00:55:21.559
to sound like.

985
00:55:21.599 --> 00:55:25.079
And I'd like that is the most like I could

986
00:55:25.440 --> 00:55:26.840
that would you hours to.

987
00:55:26.800 --> 00:55:29.079
Go through all the possibilities, Like I have no idea

988
00:55:29.119 --> 00:55:30.920
what the ball is going to do when I when I.

989
00:55:30.960 --> 00:55:33.719
Swing, Yeah, it's wild.

990
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:37.639
So the last question, and thank you for taking the

991
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:40.519
time to do this, is what's the biggest thing you've

992
00:55:40.559 --> 00:55:43.639
learned about golf since he's been doing this, I mean,

993
00:55:43.679 --> 00:55:46.039
since this has been your your way of life.

994
00:55:46.719 --> 00:55:50.000
Yeah, God, there's so much, so much.

995
00:55:50.079 --> 00:55:51.400
That's a great question on it.

996
00:55:51.639 --> 00:55:55.679
Candidly, I don't have a great canned answer. So as

997
00:55:55.719 --> 00:55:58.280
I'm thinking, as I'm trying to buy myself time here,

998
00:55:59.320 --> 00:56:01.280
I would say all that stuff we just talked about

999
00:56:01.360 --> 00:56:04.159
has been eye opening for me about the playing of

1000
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:08.559
the game of golf, you know, about the decision making

1001
00:56:08.599 --> 00:56:12.920
aspects and managing the misses and and all of that.

1002
00:56:14.199 --> 00:56:20.360
But but I really think, I mean not to sound

1003
00:56:20.400 --> 00:56:24.400
too corny, but it is gonna sound corny. It just.

1004
00:56:25.880 --> 00:56:27.199
The longer I've gotten.

1005
00:56:26.960 --> 00:56:32.800
To do this, the things that I really remember aren't

1006
00:56:32.840 --> 00:56:37.679
necessarily like I've had the chance. I haven't played every

1007
00:56:38.239 --> 00:56:41.159
top golf course in the world, but I think of

1008
00:56:41.280 --> 00:56:44.639
some like amazing courses I've got to play. I can't

1009
00:56:44.679 --> 00:56:48.159
really remember all the holes, Josh, But what I do

1010
00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:54.480
remember and what really sticks with me are the people

1011
00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:59.039
that you come across and and I mean, I just

1012
00:56:59.159 --> 00:57:03.320
think it. What I've learned most of all is golf

1013
00:57:04.360 --> 00:57:07.119
to me is a game of the people that play it,

1014
00:57:07.360 --> 00:57:13.519
and I think tapping into that I don't know, tapestry

1015
00:57:13.159 --> 00:57:18.599
of people and their experiences and just getting to share.

1016
00:57:18.679 --> 00:57:21.599
Whether it's somebody that's like, hey, all I've done is

1017
00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:24.159
play around of golf with them. I might never see

1018
00:57:24.239 --> 00:57:27.079
them again in my life, or somebody that's like, hey,

1019
00:57:27.119 --> 00:57:29.480
you know what, it started out as playing golf and

1020
00:57:29.519 --> 00:57:33.559
now they're a friend of mine. Just that wide range

1021
00:57:33.599 --> 00:57:37.039
of stuff that comes across so sappy, and I know

1022
00:57:37.440 --> 00:57:41.519
there's just no way around it though, Like it's it's true,

1023
00:57:41.599 --> 00:57:45.679
like I think golf is about the people and it's

1024
00:57:45.719 --> 00:57:49.320
about the experiences on that level, more for me more

1025
00:57:49.360 --> 00:57:52.239
so than like, oh my god, that thirteenth hole at

1026
00:57:52.280 --> 00:57:53.199
Royal Melbourne.

1027
00:57:53.280 --> 00:57:54.199
Holy you know.

1028
00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.360
Right, yeah, no, it's a yeah, I mean well that's

1029
00:57:57.360 --> 00:57:58.960
the way it should be, right. It's the people in

1030
00:57:59.000 --> 00:58:02.320
the experiences. It's not because I like either of us

1031
00:58:02.400 --> 00:58:03.079
is good enough that.

1032
00:58:03.639 --> 00:58:07.639
Right, That's exactly right. It's like gulfs of vehicle.

1033
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:10.440
It's not. It's not the be all end all for us.

1034
00:58:10.800 --> 00:58:13.400
Andy, thank you so much for doing this, and everybody,

1035
00:58:13.440 --> 00:58:16.000
if you're not one of the eight million people listening

1036
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:18.639
to No Laying Up, you should be listening to it

1037
00:58:18.719 --> 00:58:24.639
and h and watching watching both tourist sauce and and strapped.

1038
00:58:24.639 --> 00:58:26.679
I'm sorry if I had to look down to find

1039
00:58:26.679 --> 00:58:29.599
that and strapped. Let's say it again. Anyway, Thank you

1040
00:58:29.679 --> 00:58:31.039
so much, Randy. This is awesome man.

1041
00:58:31.679 --> 00:58:32.440
Thank you, Josh.

1042
00:58:32.480 --> 00:58:35.480
I really appreciate it. Full circle moment for me. You

1043
00:58:35.519 --> 00:58:38.719
were very gracious with your time seven years ago when

1044
00:58:38.800 --> 00:58:43.000
No Laying Up still was not anything, and so yeah,

1045
00:58:43.079 --> 00:58:45.760
it's just very cool that we're here chatting on your

1046
00:58:45.800 --> 00:58:48.199
new podcast. So congratulations to you as well.

1047
00:58:48.280 --> 00:58:50.119
Thank you man. I appreciate it, and thank you for

1048
00:58:50.159 --> 00:58:53.119
having me on your show because that was anybody who's

1049
00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:56.639
willing to talk to me. I'm happy about so thanks

1050
00:58:56.639 --> 00:58:58.360
again Randy, and of course