Sept. 30, 2025

Making Golf Fun Again Starting at the Ball Moving Backwards with David Buck

Making Golf Fun Again Starting at the Ball Moving Backwards with David Buck
Making Golf Fun Again Starting at the Ball Moving Backwards with David Buck
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Making Golf Fun Again Starting at the Ball Moving Backwards with David Buck
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Season 20

GS#1,019 In this engaging conversation, David Buck shares his journey from a young golfer to a teacher, emphasizing the importance of enjoying the game and overcoming mental hurdles. He discusses memorable triumphs, the mental aspects of golf, and unconventional approaches to teaching and playing. David also offers insights on making golf fun again, simplifying the game, and even his experience learning to play left-handed. The conversation is filled with humor, personal anecdotes, and practical advice for golfers of all levels. Find out about taking lessons with David at https://skillest.com/coach/bigswingkings

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Hi, this is Ray Brown from Owings, Maryland, and I

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play golf at swan Point Country Club. Welcome to Golf Smarter.

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Hi.

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This is Joe A. Spinoza from Austin, Texas and I

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play at Mill Creek in.

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Toledo, Texas.

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It's a Golf Smarter number one thousand, nineteen. During the

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pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is

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a course management part of playing where you absolutely want

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to hit it or miss it in a certain area.

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There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off

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your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,

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there's a moment at which you're thinking has to change

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from where the ball is going to end up to

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the task at hand, which is the only thing you

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can affect, which is the ball that's in front of you.

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So your target is actually the ball. All of the

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pre shot routine part is you deciding where you want

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to try to hit that ball, but you can't affect

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where it's going to go. You can't affect what's going

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to happen over there. You can get it started, but

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you can only get it started in the two feet

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on either side.

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That matters. But is the ball the target?

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Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting the ball

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is the target.

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It's time to make golf fun again, starting at the

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ball and moving backwards with David Buck.

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This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. There's your host, Fred Green.

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Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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David, thank you very much.

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It's great to have you on this show. This is

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going to be a silly conversation. I have a feeling

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just for our three minutes of prap.

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Well, I have two languages. I've got English and I've

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got sarcasms. So that's that's really all I got to work.

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With, Bill, Well, I have just by listening to your

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voice a little bit, I censor your Canadian.

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I am Canadian, I can Leona. I can put on

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the Canadian accident real sharp if you want to e

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but I need a bit of able to do that.

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Well, so the English and sarcasm is actually speaking Canadian.

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It's just natural. We don't even hold a candle towards

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the Australians. They're just a level higher.

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So it's so true it's so true. Let's get a

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little bit of your background in golf so that we

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can establish the craziness that we're going to learn about

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from you in a little bit.

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Sure. So, basically, I used to play baseball, and my

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brother broke his knee playing baseball, and I really didn't

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want to do what my brother did. You know, you

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try to learn from your elders. And I didn't want

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to play a sport like football or hockey or baseball.

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I was going to get hurt, so I quit the

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baseball and a buddy of mine this in the seventh grade,

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when I was thirteen years old, said well, I got

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a junior membership the course of summer. It's three hundred bucks.

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My mom's driving me out anyways, why don't you come

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join me. I never played golf before. I mean, this

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is going back a few years. This is in the

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early nineties, and a golf at that point was a

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you know, it was the nerd game. It's like, nobody

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plays golf unless you got.

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Just before Tiger Both at the scene it was.

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Greg Norman era, right, and it was it was uh yeah,

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and I mean titleist was was on the forefront. They

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were just I started still using bellattas and DT wounds.

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So when the prov came out that was that was

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quite a thing. But we played all summer, and then

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we played all summer next summer, and then we thought, hey,

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well maybe I should, you know, get a coach and

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start doing this more seriously. And we made some really

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good decisions in there. And I'm sure I don't know

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about you. I'm only five seven, and I mean, especially

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back in the day, we didn't have distance, we didn't

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have distance clinics teaching you how to hit it further.

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You had what you had, and you played it. And

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I hit the ball about two hundred and sixty yards

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and hit driver everywhere. And my my parents sat down

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and said, you know what, I you know, I think

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you've got something here, But don't play tournaments yet, don't

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don't get in with the guys who are physically bigger

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than you. And so we took an entire year there

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at sixteen and played no tournaments and did nothing but

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practiced some drills and short game and putting and playing.

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And by the time I was seventeen started playing tournaments.

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I was I jumped right up into the Canadian junior

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rankings and was playing the Canadian Juniors and then qualified

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for the World Juniors for two years or he's going

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back for you two or three years, played Overseas a

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little bit over and over in Asia as a junior,

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even got some invites to some things over there. Went

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to school in California and had a very short stay

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at the school due to some disagreements between the coach

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and I and turn Pro. From there my brother. My

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brother was out playing chasing mini tours and Monday qualifiers

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at that point, so I went out and joined him

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and turn Pro ended up playing for three years and

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it was absolutely wonderful and learned all sorts of stuff

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and had incredible heartbreak and incredible triumph and all the

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things that golf golf gives to you. Uh. Then then

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I I I left it. I left it and and uh,

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you know, as I say, I left it in a

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way that I wasn't, you know, I was. I made

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the choice. It was my choice, but it was you know,

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you look back on it and say, ah, what if

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you could have thin done things differently? And I gave

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up the game completely for a number of years, and

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then you know, you get to a point where you're

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not able to do what you used to be able

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to do. And so that's just it's just it's just frustration.

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And so it took me a few years to learn

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to enjoy the game again, and I did, And long

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story short, now, I mean there's no place I would

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rather be than on the first T, not the eighteenth green,

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because then the rounds over the first T, you know,

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the with the with the upcoming ground of go. But

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you know, through my through my teaching, through my experience,

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you know, I think the things a little bit differently

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maybe than some. And I've had I had a few

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instans is in my career where I got you know,

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I got a five minute lesson from somebody that changed

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my golfing life. And well it's not it's not a

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matter of complicated. It's a matter of being able to

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understand what has to happen here and allowing our bodies

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to actually do it. So now I play golf. I

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raised my kids up there are nine and twelve, and

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learn how to play pretty well if you ask me.

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But I am biased, and I coach others and help people,

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and my main, my main goal is to help people

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enjoy the game more so if that means enjoying the

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game more through lower strokes, fantastic. If it means enjoying

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the game by stopping the shanks or curing the yips,

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then great, fantastic. If it means that we were talking

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about before we start, you're the mental hurdle of getting through.

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You know, Hey, this thing's got to get to there somehow,

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and I want to do it more joyfully. It's the

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best place in the world when you have contentment and

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joy also, but it can also be the worst place

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when you're frustrated and shanking it into the woods. Of course, anyways,

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that gives you, That gives little synopsis.

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Yeah, so like I, you know, not the eighteenth green.

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I've always felt like seventeenth t is like, to me,

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the most depressing thing. We're almost I don't want to

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I don't want to go home. I like it here.

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Let me play another eighteen?

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Yeah exactly, No, not anymore. Cannot do thirty six in

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a day? What Wait, what happened to you? You went

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on and became a competitive and good golfer. But what

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happened to that first friend who invited you out? He

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got the three hundred dollars and his mom was driving.

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Yeah, parted ways. We parted ways as at about eighteen.

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And it's funny. I've reached out to him a couple

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of times but haven't heard back. He's now a lawyer,

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and even if you go to his website, he's like, yeah,

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I do you know, I do laf for for big

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corporation litigation and in my off time, I'm working on

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my golf game.

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Still he's still working on it.

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The most entertaining thing about the whole thing is it

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does not matter what level of golf you're at. If

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you're a beginner junior year in two, three, four, or

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you're a seasoned pro or you know, I've had a

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lifetime of golf. You hear something and you're like, I

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gotta go try it out. And I remember one time

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this guy, this guy, we were seventeen years old, and

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we were on the first tea and he had read

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somewhere in Golf Digest or something that you should have

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your your feet open a little bit more. And he's like, guys,

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I finally figured out how to cure my hook. I've

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got it. I've figured it out. And he stands up

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on the first tee and his feet were splayed almost

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fully open right down.

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Balat position, ballets first position.

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I mean, we're laughing before he's even started, just kind

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of chuckling underneath our breath. And he stands up on

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the tee there and he rope hooks one like sixty

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yards to the left, out of bounds into the driving right.

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He's like, oh, maybe i'n't fixed it yet.

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You talked about the lows and the highs, but you

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said in edible triumphs, share that.

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I got to share the first one with you. And

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the first one happened when I was sixteen years old

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and I was playing shally they paid played the ninety

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seven PGA Championship there there was I was. This was

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nineteen ninety eight and we were playing a pro am

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there and I was an am obviously, I was a

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junior at the time, and I double bogie the first

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hole after hitting just a beautiful shot right over the flagstick,

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pried in the back bunker, and you know, didn't get

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a long story, short part of the second hole, bogie

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the third hole, I'm three over part. From then on

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went on to make seven birdies in an albatross, won

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the tournament by four strokes.

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And that which hole.

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Part It was fifteen number number fifteen, Part five. I

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went driver, Driver, Driver into the cup.

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Driver driver. You had driver into the cup from how

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far away.

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I'm I'm gonna say it was probably two sixty five

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low off hill, front left pin pulass placement. I watched

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it go in, and you know, I watched it go

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in and it's like your eyes, you don't believe it.

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And so the guys are back there in the fairway,

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you know, hit, I said, guys, I think that went in.

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I just start running up to the.

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Hole and driver off the deck right.

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I'm playing. I found one online. I found on an

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eBay an old driver, the one that I had, and

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it was called a speed slot and it was.

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Great driver.

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It was fantastic.

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I had a little bit heard about it.

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Yeah, I had this little like low point on it. It

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was really easy to hit off the deck. I watched

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it go in, ran up there, I'm by myself, there's

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nobody around, looked down into the cup there and is

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sitting right there the next hole. And my dad was

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in the same group that because it was a pro

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am thing. So it was a group of us from

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one club coming up to play, and so in the

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sixteenth hole is a downhill dog leg right. I had

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one hundred and sixty five yards left, which was a

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six iron for me at that point, and pen was

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back right on the next hole, and my dad whispered, assuming,

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let's see what you really made of now, And I

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remember standing over that ball still is one of the

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best shots I've ever hit. Yeah, I just made albatrosses hole.

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But that next I piped it down the middle. I

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had one hundred and sixty five left. I had a

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little choke down punch cut six iron. Just it was

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I knew it. I mean even when he was said it,

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he's like, I said, no, it's this is going to

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be perfect. I'm not going to miss this. This is

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and those moments, those moments when you're on the course

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and everything's just easy. Oh so anyways, that was my

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first professional win, even though I wasn't professional at the time,

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and I had Yeah, I had twelve professional wins over

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the time, usually small events. But the you know, the

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joy of winning never never ceases. Where there's whether there's

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three hundred people in the field or ten.

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So is it an amazing how one shot can just

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lock into your memory forever?

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Yep, yep, and and and unfortunately it goes the other

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way too. There's some some shots that have locked in

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the wrong way to do there was let me give

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you the flip side of that. For whatever reason, and

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tournament play me teeing off of the three wood never worked.

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I couldn't hit the tea the three wood just in

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the first hole, whatever the pressure was. I could hit

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an iron, I could hit I could hit it, I

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get hit it in a part of three I hit driver,

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but I couldn't hit three wood. I always top it, Okay,

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And I'm planning this event down in Louisiana, and sure enough,

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I'm like, no, the play is of three wood. I'll

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play the three wood. I got to get over this thing.

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It's not a big deal. It was a titleist nine

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to seventy two, the little red, gray and red lined

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title of three wood. And I hit it, and of

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course I topped it. Didn't even get to the white

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teas like. It was just awful. And the tournament organizer

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says to the guy. There's a guy standing next to

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the tournament organizer, and he says, why do you like,

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why do you let guys like this play in these events?

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Like this is, this is, this is kind of embarrassing,

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and the tournament organizer says to him, you just watch,

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he'll come in with the sixty seven. I'm sure I

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came in with the sixty seventh, but yes, I can

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still feel all of those tops off the first team.

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It's probably only five times I took a three foot

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off the tee because of that. But they burn both ways.

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The great shots are always worth talking about. The bad

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shots linger in your head and terrify you when you're

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coming up to a similar shot or something, and people

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are always oh, I, always oh I every time you

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know my three? Would I top it? And you know,

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you get that stuff going in your head. And I'm

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always trying to remind my friends, hey, history has nothing

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to do with your next shot. Just you do your

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swing the way you do you and don't think about that.

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How do we prevent that? How do we keep our

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minds straight without getting nuts about that stuff?

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I could probably touch on that now a few years later.

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Please do.

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One of the greats. And this I cannot I can't

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find who said it, but it was not me said

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when pressure picks up, the process takes over. I don't

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know if you've heard that over the years. Bytimes, pressure

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is a fear of the unknown. It's either we haven't

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been in that situation before, we haven't prepared for that situation.

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There's unknowns that we don't know. And I relate it

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back to skydiving. First time you go skydiving I've ever been,

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it's really scary. I mean, you're jumping out of a plane,

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trusting a parachute to take you to the ground. But

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the hundredth time that you've done it, and you've learned

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how to pack your shoot, and you know where all

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the cords are, and you know what it's going to

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feel like when you jump out of the plane and

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how long you're going to be in the air, and

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how to breathe with the wind coming in your face,

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and there's no more unknowns, there's no fear. So that

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knowledge actually conquers the fear and it is able to

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take over to the point where you can do crazy

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stuff not being afraid because you have enough knowledge to

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take over. But you see these guys that are seasoned

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pros in the Ryder Cup coming down the stretch at

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Majors in an unknown position that they hadn't prepared for.

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That they have questions that haven't answered. Maybe the question

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is am I going to hit at a club further

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because I'm jew straight now? Or is it? You know,

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there's there's unknowns. But if you get there enough times

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and you and you do the same thing over and

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over enough, that allows you to overcome the fear and

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the pressure and be able to focus on the thing

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they actually have focused on. So for me, when I

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when I explain this to people, which is strangely quite

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often because the mental game is such a huge part

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of golf. It comes in the pre shot routine and

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the repetition of that pre shout routine over and over

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and over, and you're trusting the process of getting the

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ball so that when you're over the ball, all you're

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thinking is center of the ball, center to club face,

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hit them. I can do that. What I can't do

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is listen to the crowd and the situation. And you know,

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I've got a I've got a putt for If I

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make this putt, I will. Oh. Now you've added more

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stuff into your mind. You've added more details that you

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have don't have answers for, and that causes stress, which

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causes pressure, and as you know, at tension is the

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killer of the golf game. So with the knowledge of

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being able to answer all of your questions before you

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get up there where club wind, where you want to

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hit it, where it's going to land, what you're trying

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to do, make those decisions. You don't have to think

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about them anymore. Then you go through your process of

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lining up, which all happens very quickly as you're going

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through your pre shot routine. I know I'm lined up,

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I know my club face is square, I know what

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shot I'm hitting. There's no more questions I have. All

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I have to do is center of ball, center of face.

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We don't doubt our process. What gets into our head

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is results right, and that's what gets in the way

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of process. Well we have we do all our process,

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and we do it right, and all of a sudden

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you're shanking it or you're you know, it's gone in

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the way. It can do any number of things. And

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I also have a yabbut for your skydiver. Okay, with golf,

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there's a lot of mistakes that can be in your

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memory bank about what's going to happen next. But the

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yabbo for the sky driver, the skydiver is one bat

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one mistake, and he's not going to remember what he's

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doing because he ain't doing it again. So let's let's

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leave the skydiving to someone else. It's not Golf is

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worrisome and stressful, but it's not hopefully not dangerous to

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hope not.

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But I'm pretty sure a few of us have been

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hit by arron golf balls over the years.

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But knock on wood, so far not yet.

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Oh good for you.

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You mean you have Oh yeah.

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Yeah, there's a few people in my family who have

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been hit by golf.

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I live next to a I have a golf hole

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right here, I'm right in driving range, and I get

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balls all the time. And luckily, in the thirteen years

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we've lived here, only one person's been hit and it

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was just a brush off of a bounce, so brush

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on their arm off the bount So so far, so

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good on that.

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Yeah, but yes, you're right, there are yabbuts, and it's

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hard because we're human. We get stuff in our minds,

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we get we want to win, and then we change

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our target. We change our target from the ball that's

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in front of us to the pin that's over there,

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or I haven't forbid the water that's left of that

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that's typically where.

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So you're really big on making golf fun again, right,

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and many methods to do that. But I need some

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advice and I'm glad you're here to help me out

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on this because just today my wife, who doesn't play golf,

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she's she's taken a golf lesson for twelve she's played

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nine holes a couple times, but she doesn't really have

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a lot of interest in playing golf. She likes to

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hike and I like, and I say all the time,

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I like to hike too, just every so often I

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want to hit something right, so I walk when I

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play golf today and is she listening now? Okay, today

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she announces to me, I want to play golf with

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you again. I would like to go back now. I'm

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interested in going back out and playing with you again.

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I'm like, but you know, we've got a net back here.

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We can we can work a little bit on the net,

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and you know, have you take a call? No, no, no,

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I just want to go out. It's just to have fun.

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I don't want lessons. I just and I'm happy to

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pick up the ball. How do I make that fun

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for me? How to give me some advice of what

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I can do to not get caught up because I'm

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not going to give lessons during the round. I'm like, oh,

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good shot.

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Yeah, it doesn't want your lessons spread.

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So no, no, no, no, absolutely not. I'm a big advocate

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of keeping with your kid or your spouse, keep your

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mouth shut when you're out on the golf course.

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Just you know, I'm going to have to jump into

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a philosophical rant than bread.

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Go for it, David, let's do it.

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It all has to do with your expectations. And you

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go out on a golf course and it's just you

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or you and the guys. You have a certain expectation

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what's going to happen during the round. You're going to

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go play. You're trying to, you know, beat your best score.

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You're trying to, you know, make pars, you're trying to

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hit good shots. You're jabbering about each other's golf shots.

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And then there's a certain, shall we say, environ that

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goes with playing with the guys. I have recently spent

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quite a bit of time beside golf courses just listening

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to groups, going by the language, the sarcasm, the jabbing,

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the ribbing that happens in these golf groups is very,

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very strong and prominent until you get a husband and

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wife with another husband and wife coming by, and then

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there's no more ribbing, and there's no more jabbing, and

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then there's no more yelling at each other as they

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hit a terrible shot and topped it into the bunker.

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It's a much different environment one group to the next,

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and your fun has to be based on your choice

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of what fun looks like to you out there with

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your wife. So for her, as she says, happy to

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pick up, so you say, okay, look, your fun is

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I'm going hiking and I'm hitting a few balls, and

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I'm spending time with my husband, which means walking to

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my ball, and you set parameters around her golfing as okay,

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the main point is we keep up to the group

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in front of us, which means if that means skipping

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a hole and walking along with me, if it means

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hitting more shots, if we're waiting, hey sweet, hit a

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few more shots around the green and try putting it

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into the hole. From here, your fun becomes I'm choosing

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to enjoy this time with my wife and we get

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to hit a few golf balls while we're at it,

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but I would strongly recommend not to keep score during

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that round.

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For you, Fred, that's the advice I'm looking for.

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Yeah, just keep just enjoy it. And my wife's actually

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right over there, probably laughing at me at the same time,

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because she too brought I took up golf as our

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youngest nine year old when he started about five or six.

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She's like, well, if I don't play golf, I'm gonna

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get left behind. So she started playing as well, and

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it's very similar. I mean she for many many rounds

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it's pretty bad. Couldn't get off the tea, couldn't hit

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it in the fairway. And just this year and just

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this springtime, she's been hitting drives nicely. Now we just

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got her a lighter three wood that she's able to

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hit off the ground. She can put Uh, just learned

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how to chip this year. So she played four years

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not knowing how to chip and just putting it everywhere.

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But being with us learning how to play, and it's

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not even so much learning how to play, for it's

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just like a little bit of joy hitting the ball

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or not hitting it on the water in this hole,

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or having colored balls that she gets to play with

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instead of it's it's a different it's a different expectation,

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00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:31.759
but it's the same game. So if you set your

467
00:23:31.799 --> 00:23:34.480
expectation of I get to spend time with my wife

468
00:23:34.519 --> 00:23:37.640
today and we're outside and hiking and hitting some golf balls,

469
00:23:39.279 --> 00:23:40.519
you you will have fun.

470
00:23:41.200 --> 00:23:43.680
Are you your wife making suggestions in the background?

471
00:23:44.240 --> 00:23:47.880
Jump jump in, poke your head in what's.

472
00:23:50.000 --> 00:23:52.759
I would say that for years, there's a difference. Even

473
00:23:52.799 --> 00:23:55.200
when I'm with my kids, there's a difference and a

474
00:23:55.240 --> 00:23:57.119
game that I'm working on my game, and there's a

475
00:23:57.119 --> 00:23:59.200
difference on the game that I'm having fun with the people.

476
00:23:59.039 --> 00:24:01.480
I'm with, Okay, and so there's a.

477
00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:05.119
Social game and then there's a work like a try

478
00:24:05.240 --> 00:24:07.799
to get exercising game where yeah, I'm working on my

479
00:24:07.839 --> 00:24:10.240
shots and I'm trying to get better. And so what

480
00:24:10.279 --> 00:24:12.880
I'm playing with my kids sometimes if one of them

481
00:24:12.920 --> 00:24:16.279
is in a bad attitude or whatever, then that's the sort. No,

482
00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:21.920
never a social game, and I just enjoy the ride

483
00:24:22.000 --> 00:24:24.920
with my family. I'm out doing the thing that he loves,

484
00:24:25.039 --> 00:24:27.880
the thing that my oldest son loves, that we as

485
00:24:27.880 --> 00:24:30.920
a family enjoy. That's the only sport in the world

486
00:24:31.039 --> 00:24:35.200
that you can do together with your level of golf

487
00:24:35.599 --> 00:24:38.440
and with her level of golf, and do it together

488
00:24:39.680 --> 00:24:41.839
and just enjoy the time together.

489
00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:45.039
That date, if you guys level it up and say, hey,

490
00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.559
I'm going to go for a golf trip to like

491
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:53.119
we we had one to Gray Wolf in Panorama, BC,

492
00:24:53.440 --> 00:24:55.839
up on the mountains. Okay, I guess what They've got

493
00:24:55.839 --> 00:24:56.160
a spa?

494
00:24:58.319 --> 00:25:00.680
Oh yeah, oh, we know the spa, a golf course.

495
00:25:00.799 --> 00:25:03.519
This ear and there's bears and there's birds, and it's

496
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.200
it is a hike. Yeah, so then it becomes an

497
00:25:07.240 --> 00:25:10.839
actual outdoor hiking adventure with golf clubs. I don't know,

498
00:25:10.839 --> 00:25:13.440
there's a As long as you set your expectations straight,

499
00:25:13.519 --> 00:25:15.799
you can very easily have fun with it.

500
00:25:22.240 --> 00:25:24.279
One of the things that you like to profess, David,

501
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:31.279
is talking about making golf easier and fun. Let's go there.

502
00:25:31.039 --> 00:25:34.240
Sure I need these tips to bring those along with me. H.

503
00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:40.039
Golf is actually quite a simple game. It is. I

504
00:25:40.680 --> 00:25:45.240
relate it is a lot. But at the same time, just.

505
00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:46.319
Get rid of your scorecard.

506
00:25:46.359 --> 00:25:53.680
Right, you've already said that's only step one. Friend. No,

507
00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.880
the when you step on to a tennis court or

508
00:25:57.160 --> 00:26:00.400
a ping pong table never does it end to your

509
00:26:00.440 --> 00:26:02.559
mind as the ball is coming at you being served

510
00:26:02.599 --> 00:26:04.559
by the other person. Okay, let me make sure that

511
00:26:04.599 --> 00:26:06.480
I keep my head still as the ball is coming

512
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:08.839
towards me, that I drop my k help over here. No,

513
00:26:09.640 --> 00:26:11.839
there's a flat surface that's in your hand, and there's

514
00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:14.240
a round ball that's coming at you, and you think

515
00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:19.359
round ball, flat surface, hit it that direction. Same with baseball.

516
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:20.960
You got a flat surface in a bat and the

517
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.440
ball coming at you, and then you try to connect

518
00:26:23.480 --> 00:26:25.960
the two and make it go a certain direction. Ping

519
00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:29.519
pong is the same thing, and the same principles apply

520
00:26:29.680 --> 00:26:33.319
to golf if we don't let all of the other

521
00:26:33.400 --> 00:26:35.720
stuff come in now. Don't get me wrong. That doesn't

522
00:26:35.720 --> 00:26:38.240
mean that I think that all you know in depth

523
00:26:38.279 --> 00:26:41.200
technical instruction is bad. There's a certain level at which

524
00:26:41.519 --> 00:26:45.079
you want that technical instruction. However, if that comes into

525
00:26:45.119 --> 00:26:49.880
your game too early, or or you start technicalizing. See

526
00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.799
that's an English word is made up there. Check it

527
00:26:53.200 --> 00:26:56.799
the golf swing where you don't need to. You need

528
00:26:56.839 --> 00:26:59.200
to come right back down to the two feet on

529
00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.440
either side of the ball that actually matters. There's a

530
00:27:02.480 --> 00:27:05.559
flat surface, there's a round ball, and the only thing

531
00:27:05.599 --> 00:27:08.480
that matters is where that flat surface is pointing when

532
00:27:08.480 --> 00:27:11.680
you hit it, and the path at which it's coming

533
00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:13.279
through on. Those are the only two things in the

534
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:16.599
golf that actually affect what you're doing. Yes, I realize

535
00:27:16.640 --> 00:27:19.720
there's descent angle, and there's spin right, and there's a flight,

536
00:27:20.240 --> 00:27:23.759
But for ninety five percent of golfers around the world,

537
00:27:24.480 --> 00:27:27.480
the direction that the club face is pointing and the

538
00:27:27.519 --> 00:27:30.000
way it's moving through the ball. Okay, we have to

539
00:27:30.039 --> 00:27:33.880
remember that where the club face is pointing is always

540
00:27:34.079 --> 00:27:36.680
where the ball is going to start. And then the

541
00:27:36.759 --> 00:27:39.359
path that the club is coming through on is going

542
00:27:39.400 --> 00:27:41.960
to apply right to left spin or left, right spin,

543
00:27:42.279 --> 00:27:43.880
right to left or lever you know, one of the

544
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:46.599
spins either way, and it's going to spin from there,

545
00:27:47.559 --> 00:27:52.599
which means somebody says, oh, well, I hit everything right. Fantastic.

546
00:27:52.680 --> 00:27:54.720
I'm so glad to hear it. You're telling me that

547
00:27:54.759 --> 00:27:58.480
you're consistent. Everything is going to the right. All you

548
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.640
have to do is spin the club in your hands

549
00:28:01.720 --> 00:28:04.279
so that the face is pointing more to the left.

550
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:06.480
Do the exact same thing that you were just doing,

551
00:28:07.119 --> 00:28:09.400
and then it's going to start to the left. Oh well,

552
00:28:09.400 --> 00:28:10.880
it's starting to look too far to the left.

553
00:28:11.079 --> 00:28:14.319
Fantastic. Now we well, if your ball goes to the right,

554
00:28:14.680 --> 00:28:16.519
then't aim left right right.

555
00:28:16.559 --> 00:28:18.720
But it's not even so much like aiming your body

556
00:28:18.799 --> 00:28:21.680
left as it is. No when we start to think

557
00:28:23.039 --> 00:28:27.200
round ball, our bodies can actually do that. What we

558
00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:29.599
can't do is say, Okay, when I get to the top,

559
00:28:29.599 --> 00:28:31.279
I'm going to try to get a little higher with

560
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.519
my hands, and then just as I am transitioning to

561
00:28:33.559 --> 00:28:36.039
the downswing, I'm going to drop the right elbow and

562
00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:39.240
tuck down. And here we can't figure that out fast

563
00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:42.319
enough in the swing. But what we can figure out

564
00:28:42.359 --> 00:28:47.319
is flat surface ball go that way. Yeah, And if

565
00:28:47.359 --> 00:28:50.200
we start there and then just apply speed to it

566
00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:53.039
and go longer and longer and longer, and try to

567
00:28:53.799 --> 00:28:56.200
realize that everything else that we're doing is just applying

568
00:28:56.279 --> 00:29:01.559
speed to those that two feet on either then we

569
00:29:01.599 --> 00:29:04.440
can start to build our own swing around the part

570
00:29:04.480 --> 00:29:06.240
of the swing that matters, the impact position, that the

571
00:29:06.519 --> 00:29:08.400
hitting of the ball in a certain direction.

572
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:17.359
And visualizing it, not thinking about, not thinking about the

573
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:21.119
mechanics during the swing of what you're supposed to be doing.

574
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:23.920
That's like all pre shot routine. Think about what you

575
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:25.720
need to do this step up to the ball and

576
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:29.319
think about a target somewhere else. You know, are you

577
00:29:29.440 --> 00:29:33.279
one of those that likes to play target golf and

578
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:36.200
not think about just hitting the ball, but where the

579
00:29:36.240 --> 00:29:42.279
ball is supposed to end up. Yes and no, let's

580
00:29:42.319 --> 00:29:45.799
stay with yes for now. I want During the.

581
00:29:45.720 --> 00:29:47.960
Pre shot routine, when you're choosing your spot, there is

582
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.720
a course management part of playing where you absolutely want

583
00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:54.319
to hit it or miss it in a certain area.

584
00:29:54.359 --> 00:29:57.720
There's incredible amounts of strokes that can be shaved off

585
00:29:57.759 --> 00:30:01.240
your game simply by picking the right place to go. However,

586
00:30:02.039 --> 00:30:04.839
there is a moment at which you're thinking has to

587
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:07.079
change from where the ball is going to end up

588
00:30:07.720 --> 00:30:09.920
to the task at hand, which is the only thing

589
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.480
you can affect, which is the ball that's in front

590
00:30:12.480 --> 00:30:17.400
of you. So your target is actually the ball. All

591
00:30:17.400 --> 00:30:21.359
of the pre shot routine part is you deciding where

592
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.480
you want to try to hit that ball, but you

593
00:30:23.519 --> 00:30:26.960
can't affect where it's going to go. You can't affect

594
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.359
what's going to happen over there.

595
00:30:28.440 --> 00:30:30.359
You can get it started, but you.

596
00:30:30.319 --> 00:30:32.319
Can only get it started in the two feet on

597
00:30:32.400 --> 00:30:33.400
either side. That matters.

598
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:35.000
But is the ball the target?

599
00:30:35.279 --> 00:30:38.279
Absolutely it is. By the time you're hitting. The ball

600
00:30:38.359 --> 00:30:42.519
is the target. Now, that doesn't mean that I'm not

601
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.319
aiming specifically at a corner of a bunker on the

602
00:30:46.359 --> 00:30:48.799
right side of the green, but that's where that switch

603
00:30:48.839 --> 00:30:51.279
has to happen. And so in that pre shot routine,

604
00:30:51.319 --> 00:30:53.960
you go from Okay, I want exactly on that spot,

605
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.000
this is the shot that I want. This is my

606
00:30:56.400 --> 00:30:59.599
interim target that I'm aiming for, and I bring everything

607
00:30:59.680 --> 00:31:02.759
back down into the actual target that I can affect,

608
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:05.160
which is right in front of me, and that I

609
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:07.720
can do. And then that's the beautiful thing about the

610
00:31:07.720 --> 00:31:09.759
game of golf is it's a lottery. Every time you

611
00:31:09.799 --> 00:31:12.720
strike it, it's like, oh, let's see where it gets to

612
00:31:12.759 --> 00:31:15.839
go this time. Oh no, I've buried myself in the

613
00:31:15.839 --> 00:31:21.359
face of the bunker and now have to So yes,

614
00:31:21.400 --> 00:31:23.920
I realized that's a little unconventional because there, you know,

615
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:27.079
there's some really great instructors and there's some great teaching

616
00:31:27.119 --> 00:31:30.599
that through the years of of you know, the Harvey panic,

617
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.119
take dead aim at at where you're trying to hit it,

618
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:38.359
and I understand that, but there's this disconnect between where

619
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:41.160
the ball ends up and what we actually have to do,

620
00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:45.039
and it's hundreds of yards apart, and I think it

621
00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:50.160
becomes a lot easier if your actual task is hit

622
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.160
the thing that's in front of you as opposed to

623
00:31:52.799 --> 00:31:55.240
try to connect with something that's hundreds of yards away.

624
00:31:56.559 --> 00:32:01.279
Yeah, excellent, excellent, And you know you may unconventional. And

625
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:09.519
we just had Eric Alpinfels from Pinehurst is the head

626
00:32:09.559 --> 00:32:14.880
instructor at Pinehurst and his book Instinct Putting where talk

627
00:32:14.920 --> 00:32:20.359
about unconventional. He's talking about looking at the hole when

628
00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:23.119
you're putting and not looking at the ball. Have you

629
00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:24.279
ever had experience with that?

630
00:32:24.799 --> 00:32:32.440
I have tried it, and putting is the great mystery

631
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.880
of the game. It is it is look at the

632
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:41.039
hole and get it in fantastic do that? Yeah right,

633
00:32:41.119 --> 00:32:45.359
you can close your eyes and put fantastic thing almost

634
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:49.279
the same thing, right right. I have over the years

635
00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:56.079
struggled with the y word and I'm sorry, Yeah, that's

636
00:32:56.160 --> 00:32:58.720
part of life, right, yeah, and so.

637
00:32:58.759 --> 00:33:01.039
Much so that you can't even see the word.

638
00:33:01.480 --> 00:33:06.839
No, I can't, that's the yips. But listeners that might do.

639
00:33:08.400 --> 00:33:10.160
Like they're driving and all of a sudden you said

640
00:33:10.200 --> 00:33:11.160
the word yips.

641
00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.359
And they're like crash. I didn't want to I don't

642
00:33:13.359 --> 00:33:15.519
want to be uh, I want to cause the wreck

643
00:33:15.559 --> 00:33:19.279
on the I five, But no, it's that that's truth,

644
00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.519
and you got to approach things with truth in life.

645
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:23.400
So yes, I've had I've struggled to the yips over

646
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:24.960
the years. It was once so bad when I was

647
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:28.039
in my playing days that back when you could use

648
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:31.119
long putters, it was so bad that I actually tried

649
00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:34.119
pinning the long putter to my neck and bending over

650
00:33:34.200 --> 00:33:36.680
and just trying to move my body in any kind

651
00:33:36.680 --> 00:33:40.559
of way to get the ball going. Now it's it's

652
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:42.680
way better, uh than it used to be. In fact,

653
00:33:42.720 --> 00:33:47.440
I can play golf without them now. But I strongly

654
00:33:47.440 --> 00:33:49.640
believe that that the yips, the shanks, that kind of

655
00:33:49.640 --> 00:33:52.519
stuff is all to do with the miscommunication between our

656
00:33:52.519 --> 00:33:54.880
eyes and our body, you know, our our our head,

657
00:33:55.039 --> 00:33:58.240
our head actually tilts and moves in ways where we

658
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:00.599
think we're aimed somewhere, but we're not act aimed there,

659
00:34:00.599 --> 00:34:04.160
and there's a miscommunication between our eyes and our body.

660
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:05.720
But we can you know, that's a that's a topic

661
00:34:05.759 --> 00:34:09.960
for another day. But yeah, I know there's there's a

662
00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.079
there's a number of guys I know speak used the

663
00:34:12.440 --> 00:34:15.480
look at the whole method for quite some time and

664
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.760
seem to seem to win. You know quite a number

665
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.599
of events doing that, and so that's fantastic. If you

666
00:34:22.599 --> 00:34:23.960
can do it, fantastic, go for it.

667
00:34:24.039 --> 00:34:33.840
Do it. Talk again about unconventional and things that you've

668
00:34:33.880 --> 00:34:38.559
brought up to me in our email exchange. You are

669
00:34:39.119 --> 00:34:41.920
an advocate is the word that I want to use

670
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.679
for single length irons, A practitioner.

671
00:34:46.159 --> 00:34:53.280
I am both, okay, Keeping in mind, I don't try

672
00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:57.480
to force any specific idea on anybody other than trying

673
00:34:57.480 --> 00:35:00.480
to help them get what they want. What I want.

674
00:35:01.039 --> 00:35:04.840
I want consistency. I want to be able to get

675
00:35:04.880 --> 00:35:08.360
up to a ball, know where I'm hitting it, aim

676
00:35:08.440 --> 00:35:12.760
that direction, and hit it. If that means, here's my crazy.

677
00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.559
But if that means for me that I'm five yards

678
00:35:16.599 --> 00:35:19.280
shorter with each of my irons, or five yards longer,

679
00:35:19.760 --> 00:35:22.679
or if I have to play with a different grip

680
00:35:22.719 --> 00:35:26.440
that's not accepted by the majority, or I have to

681
00:35:26.480 --> 00:35:28.119
aim right and pull left, or I have to aim

682
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:30.320
left and pull right, it doesn't really matter to me

683
00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:31.599
as long as I know that when I get to

684
00:35:31.679 --> 00:35:33.480
the ball, I'm going to hit it a direction, and

685
00:35:33.519 --> 00:35:36.480
I wanted to go that direction, and my best playing

686
00:35:36.880 --> 00:35:40.840
in my lifetime, I was. I was averaging fourteen greens around.

687
00:35:41.679 --> 00:35:43.320
I did make a lot of birdies, Yeah, I was.

688
00:35:43.440 --> 00:35:45.840
I was middle of the greens. I could two putt

689
00:35:45.880 --> 00:35:49.679
from everywhere and some of them would go in. So

690
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:53.480
let's call it three or four birdies around, very rarely bogies,

691
00:35:53.679 --> 00:35:57.639
almost never double bogies. Certainly, like the three putts were.

692
00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:02.840
Speed putting was a fortape and that consistent and knowing.

693
00:36:03.079 --> 00:36:05.000
I remember being able to stand in the fairway and

694
00:36:05.039 --> 00:36:07.239
be like, Okay, well there's a little gap there that

695
00:36:07.280 --> 00:36:09.079
I can hit. I'm going to hit it there. That's

696
00:36:09.079 --> 00:36:10.760
where I want it to go, and it would just

697
00:36:10.760 --> 00:36:14.280
go there because I could do that. I believe that

698
00:36:15.360 --> 00:36:17.840
the more clubs that you have in your bag that

699
00:36:17.880 --> 00:36:21.719
are the same length and weight, the less variables you

700
00:36:21.800 --> 00:36:24.400
have in your clubs. Okay, I know full well when

701
00:36:24.440 --> 00:36:27.280
I'm playing, Okay, i have seven sets of golf clubs

702
00:36:27.280 --> 00:36:31.960
in my garage. I'm crazy, and I probably need another one.

703
00:36:33.440 --> 00:36:34.880
And how many of them are single length?

704
00:36:35.519 --> 00:36:40.400
I've got two sets that single or and those are

705
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:42.599
the ones I play. Okay, keep you eye when I

706
00:36:42.599 --> 00:36:44.840
say advocate, I am actually playing those. I'm playing them

707
00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.440
in events I'm playing them in tournaments. I love them. Okay.

708
00:36:48.599 --> 00:36:51.639
I have one ten club single length set which is

709
00:36:51.679 --> 00:36:54.599
lob wedge to four iron, and these are both the

710
00:36:54.719 --> 00:37:00.280
both these sets are a Voda Golf irons and so

711
00:37:00.320 --> 00:37:03.719
those are those are all seven iron length lob wedge

712
00:37:03.760 --> 00:37:07.280
through four iron. Then I have a second set which

713
00:37:07.519 --> 00:37:11.679
is lob wedge through eight iron that are that are

714
00:37:11.760 --> 00:37:16.039
all nine iron length, and then seven, six, five, four

715
00:37:16.119 --> 00:37:19.199
are progressively longer. Okay, so let me let me just

716
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.679
talk about the concept here first. Any experience with it,

717
00:37:23.159 --> 00:37:27.320
m when I'm playing the same length ten club seven

718
00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:31.039
iron length things. There is a level of accuracy and

719
00:37:31.079 --> 00:37:33.920
predictability that comes with all of the clubs that you

720
00:37:34.119 --> 00:37:38.079
cannot understand until you've tried it. I mean, I have

721
00:37:38.800 --> 00:37:41.880
custom fit sets of verible length clubs that are fit

722
00:37:41.960 --> 00:37:44.360
to my body and my swing and fantastic and I

723
00:37:44.440 --> 00:37:47.599
hit them well. But to be able to pull any

724
00:37:47.639 --> 00:37:49.840
club out of your bag, that's an iron, okay, Obviously

725
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.480
it changes when it gets to woods and hybrids and

726
00:37:51.519 --> 00:37:54.519
driver and you pull any of those irons out of

727
00:37:54.559 --> 00:37:57.599
your bag, it's the exact same setup. It's the same weight,

728
00:37:57.679 --> 00:38:00.599
it's the same feel, it's the same grip. The only

729
00:38:00.639 --> 00:38:04.199
thing that changes is how high it's coming off the face.

730
00:38:04.960 --> 00:38:09.400
And incredibly to me, once I started using them, I

731
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:14.400
documented my social media documented my first round with them

732
00:38:14.920 --> 00:38:16.360
and my first shots with them. Didn't even go to

733
00:38:16.400 --> 00:38:18.599
the range with them, and didn't know the yardages of them.

734
00:38:18.719 --> 00:38:24.840
They're very close to your regular variable length irons. The

735
00:38:25.159 --> 00:38:29.559
switch over from a yardage perspective is almost nothing to

736
00:38:29.559 --> 00:38:34.199
give you to give you exact yardages and differences. Shall

737
00:38:34.199 --> 00:38:40.280
we say, standard length four iron would fly about two twelve,

738
00:38:40.559 --> 00:38:43.119
let's call it, and the same length fore iron will

739
00:38:43.199 --> 00:38:47.119
fly two oh six, So there's about a five or

740
00:38:47.159 --> 00:38:50.159
six yard difference, and it is lower because it's a

741
00:38:50.280 --> 00:38:53.159
it's a lower lofted and lower spin. So there's a

742
00:38:53.239 --> 00:38:57.800
consideration that has to happen. But there's an accuracy that

743
00:38:57.880 --> 00:38:59.760
goes with those. So there's there's gives and takes it

744
00:38:59.760 --> 00:39:01.960
with everything, but there's an accuracy that goes with those

745
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:05.320
that is unmatched with other irons that I have played

746
00:39:06.320 --> 00:39:06.920
and didn't.

747
00:39:06.960 --> 00:39:12.679
There was no there was no process for you to

748
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:15.760
adapt to them. It just immediately worked for you.

749
00:39:16.360 --> 00:39:19.159
I shot seventy one the first round that I ever

750
00:39:19.199 --> 00:39:19.840
played with them.

751
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:20.440
Wow.

752
00:39:20.599 --> 00:39:23.079
On a course that was a mountain side course where

753
00:39:23.119 --> 00:39:26.800
you have to be there's sectional greens, you know, big

754
00:39:26.840 --> 00:39:34.320
curves in between significant there's significant ease in using them.

755
00:39:34.559 --> 00:39:37.079
There are a couple of tough points. Okay that the

756
00:39:37.199 --> 00:39:39.760
longest of the irons are touch points. That's like, yeah,

757
00:39:39.840 --> 00:39:45.320
maybe there's some there definitely is some adjustment. And then

758
00:39:45.800 --> 00:39:51.480
the chipping around the greens took two rounds, let's call it.

759
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.440
Yeah. I mean I would think that the wedges would

760
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:59.760
be the hardest adjustment because you know, maybe even the

761
00:39:59.760 --> 00:40:02.519
shaf are different on the wedges or not they.

762
00:40:02.559 --> 00:40:07.159
Differ, they are different, but because they feel like all

763
00:40:07.239 --> 00:40:11.239
your other clubs, it's not notice unusual. And actually when

764
00:40:11.280 --> 00:40:14.360
I go back to a standard length wedge, I find

765
00:40:14.360 --> 00:40:16.760
myself bending over a lot in my back hurts or

766
00:40:16.800 --> 00:40:20.159
when i'm back so as an old fort like me,

767
00:40:20.360 --> 00:40:24.679
you know, child, I've got the gray hair to prove

768
00:40:24.719 --> 00:40:25.280
it it's good.

769
00:40:25.360 --> 00:40:28.440
Oh dude, don't don't even go there.

770
00:40:29.599 --> 00:40:33.079
Sorry to bring that one up anyway. But the other

771
00:40:33.119 --> 00:40:35.760
set that I have is kind of like the the

772
00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:39.360
other adjustment of it, or or maybe the best of

773
00:40:39.400 --> 00:40:40.920
both worlds. And so this is what this is the

774
00:40:40.960 --> 00:40:46.599
set that I'm actually playing with regularly. Now when when

775
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:53.199
it's soft windy or I'm playing link style golf, I'll

776
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:56.320
go to the ten club same length because i want

777
00:40:56.360 --> 00:40:59.960
everything low anyways. It gives you great flexibility there, keep

778
00:41:00.119 --> 00:41:03.239
everything low. It's very solid. Like hitting the center of

779
00:41:03.280 --> 00:41:07.760
the face is just easy. Okay. North American courses typically

780
00:41:07.760 --> 00:41:09.920
you have to fly longer shots higher because you got

781
00:41:09.960 --> 00:41:11.840
to carry bunkers. You got to stop it on the greens.

782
00:41:11.880 --> 00:41:15.960
You may be landing onto a downslope. So the the

783
00:41:15.480 --> 00:41:19.239
what the company calls a combo length set are six

784
00:41:19.320 --> 00:41:22.199
clubs nine iron length and then seven, six, five, four

785
00:41:22.360 --> 00:41:25.480
that get progressively longer, and so you have in your

786
00:41:25.519 --> 00:41:29.280
scoring clubs that same kind of consistency. And the way

787
00:41:29.280 --> 00:41:32.760
that I'm actually using them is I'm now gripping down

788
00:41:33.000 --> 00:41:35.000
on the seven, the six, the five, and the four

789
00:41:35.519 --> 00:41:39.000
to make them same length. Then if I need the

790
00:41:39.039 --> 00:41:42.400
extra height or the extra few yards, then I will

791
00:41:42.440 --> 00:41:44.639
add length in my grip. You have to be disciplined

792
00:41:44.719 --> 00:41:46.119
enough to do it. And now I've got the big

793
00:41:46.159 --> 00:41:49.119
grips on there too, So it feels good no matter

794
00:41:49.119 --> 00:41:52.880
how high you are on the shaft. But there is

795
00:41:53.039 --> 00:41:57.719
definitely some accuracy that leaves as soon as you length

796
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:01.280
then out those four or five ins and it's not

797
00:42:01.519 --> 00:42:03.360
I mean, I don't get me wrong, It's not a lot,

798
00:42:03.559 --> 00:42:06.920
but it's noticeable. And so then I have to ask myself,

799
00:42:07.360 --> 00:42:11.199
if I'm sitting there at two oh five, do I

800
00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.239
want to hit a hard five high or do I

801
00:42:14.280 --> 00:42:16.159
want to pick that spot up the middle with the

802
00:42:16.159 --> 00:42:18.280
forearm that I know is going to go that direction

803
00:42:19.280 --> 00:42:22.519
and just and just hit that shot. And so I've

804
00:42:22.760 --> 00:42:28.079
I've I've found myself. I had to play with I say,

805
00:42:28.119 --> 00:42:29.840
I had to. I had to play with my my

806
00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:33.920
variable set just before a trip because I had all

807
00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:37.159
the clubs packed up, but I still wanted to play.

808
00:42:37.199 --> 00:42:40.199
So I went I would played, and you know, I

809
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:44.039
found things like the gap wedge. You know, I'd stand

810
00:42:44.039 --> 00:42:46.039
over it and be like, this doesn't it doesn't feel right.

811
00:42:46.039 --> 00:42:48.039
It doesn't feel like a pitching wedge or a nine iron.

812
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:50.679
It doesn't feel like a wedge. There was some unusual

813
00:42:50.679 --> 00:42:54.239
stuff for me when I went back that wasn't there

814
00:42:54.320 --> 00:42:57.000
with with with the same length system. So the way

815
00:42:57.039 --> 00:42:59.039
the way I explain it to people now is the

816
00:42:59.119 --> 00:43:02.000
more of the exact same waiting and length clubs that

817
00:43:02.039 --> 00:43:03.559
you have in the bag, the better you're going to

818
00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:05.239
be for accuracy. But you have to understand that there

819
00:43:05.239 --> 00:43:08.559
are some trade offs. The you know, the further you

820
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.440
go in either direction from the seven iron, Yeah.

821
00:43:11.280 --> 00:43:14.159
I played. I played single length irons for a bit,

822
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.559
but I just never could get my head into it

823
00:43:19.599 --> 00:43:22.039
and be comfortable to the point where I'm like, yeah,

824
00:43:22.039 --> 00:43:24.199
this is so much better than what I was doing before.

825
00:43:24.719 --> 00:43:27.960
You also mentioned to me about you're now trying to

826
00:43:28.000 --> 00:43:31.920
play golf left handed. Yes, and you are a right

827
00:43:31.960 --> 00:43:32.639
handed golfer.

828
00:43:32.760 --> 00:43:35.239
I am absolutely a right handed golfer. I've played thirty

829
00:43:35.320 --> 00:43:41.800
years agolf right handed. And what I produced a self

830
00:43:41.840 --> 00:43:44.559
paced video course earlier this year that was talking that

831
00:43:44.559 --> 00:43:48.760
that that helps with ball striking consistency. It's it works

832
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.199
from the ball back from the two feet that we

833
00:43:50.199 --> 00:43:52.360
were talking about, works from their backwards, allowing you to

834
00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.400
build your own swing or how your body's going to

835
00:43:54.480 --> 00:43:57.639
get back to that point, and it's yeah, you know,

836
00:43:57.679 --> 00:43:59.880
I figured, hey, it's it's simple, it's easy to follow.

837
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:02.239
Bunch of people through it said hey, this is great, fantastic,

838
00:44:02.559 --> 00:44:05.000
and I'm like, well, I want to know what it's like.

839
00:44:05.199 --> 00:44:06.800
And I can't do it because I already know how

840
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:10.559
to play golf right handed. So I'm like, hey, stupid idea.

841
00:44:10.920 --> 00:44:13.559
Why not try to learn the game all over again

842
00:44:13.880 --> 00:44:15.360
left handed? Okay?

843
00:44:15.840 --> 00:44:17.880
So now you said you were a baseball player as

844
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:19.360
a kid. Were you a switch hitter?

845
00:44:20.119 --> 00:44:22.119
I was not a switch hitter, but I did play

846
00:44:22.159 --> 00:44:25.800
hockey left handed. Okay, so I hold the hockey stick

847
00:44:25.880 --> 00:44:28.280
left handed. But if you look at my left handed

848
00:44:28.280 --> 00:44:33.679
swing is not pretty. It's just it's not good golfing. Okay.

849
00:44:33.719 --> 00:44:36.559
But then, so what I did is I said, well,

850
00:44:36.960 --> 00:44:39.679
screw this. I'm going to say and I'm saying this

851
00:44:39.760 --> 00:44:42.960
publicly now see to you that I'm doing this until

852
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:46.719
I break par left handed. It might take a while,

853
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:50.760
might take a while. I have in production right now,

854
00:44:50.800 --> 00:44:53.679
just about ready to launch later this week as of

855
00:44:53.719 --> 00:44:56.400
the recording. I know the publish a publication is going

856
00:44:56.400 --> 00:45:00.599
to come out a little bit. But I my first

857
00:45:00.679 --> 00:45:03.320
ever round left handed, without going to the range or anything.

858
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.519
I rented a set of left handed clubs and went

859
00:45:05.559 --> 00:45:10.559
out and played and documented it, scores and everything. All

860
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.360
the strokes hit five balls out of bounds on one

861
00:45:13.400 --> 00:45:16.760
hole in the same spot with a giant place there

862
00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:19.679
was some good stuff, but there's some really really ugly stuff,

863
00:45:19.760 --> 00:45:23.119
and so I've been I've been working on it daily

864
00:45:23.440 --> 00:45:27.000
since then, and I'm gonna document it publicly. You'll be

865
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.679
able to go to the channel and see the left

866
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:33.559
handed series and how it's progressing. But some really interesting

867
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.079
things came up, and in our pre chat before this podcast,

868
00:45:36.119 --> 00:45:38.960
we're talking about, you know, the mental game and how

869
00:45:39.039 --> 00:45:43.079
you can eliminate strokes, even my first round left handed

870
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:46.519
to my second round left handed, changing my thinking to

871
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:49.599
There was one shot in particular. It was on the

872
00:45:49.639 --> 00:45:52.599
tenth hole of my second round left handed, and I

873
00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:55.519
had one hundred and seventy yards to the hole, but

874
00:45:55.559 --> 00:45:57.000
in order to get to the hole, I had to

875
00:45:57.039 --> 00:46:01.039
carry a desert area and some pot bunkers and really

876
00:46:01.079 --> 00:46:04.719
some death zones for your scorecard. But to the left

877
00:46:04.760 --> 00:46:08.800
of the green was a big open fairway area and

878
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:12.199
I've never aimed there before in my life right handed.

879
00:46:12.559 --> 00:46:14.840
It's just not somewhere I would have even thought. But

880
00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.840
as I'm standing there in the fairway, I'm like, well,

881
00:46:17.280 --> 00:46:20.719
if I can just hit it into that big fairway section,

882
00:46:21.639 --> 00:46:23.880
I could chip, I could put from there, I could

883
00:46:23.880 --> 00:46:26.679
get it up onto the green and I'd make bogie

884
00:46:26.719 --> 00:46:30.400
instead of risking a double or triple bogie instead of

885
00:46:30.440 --> 00:46:31.719
the part. And I hit it. I hit it over

886
00:46:31.719 --> 00:46:32.840
to the left and I hit it into the big

887
00:46:32.880 --> 00:46:34.920
ferry part and I actually got up and down for

888
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:41.599
par Wow, And I thought, how interesting that just changing

889
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:44.159
how I'm thinking to being like, no, no, I don't

890
00:46:44.199 --> 00:46:47.119
even care where the pin is. I care where the

891
00:46:47.159 --> 00:46:50.159
biggest part of the fairway is. And because I don't

892
00:46:50.159 --> 00:46:51.840
even know how to hit a bunker shot left handed,

893
00:46:51.960 --> 00:46:54.480
yet I don't want to get in there, I can't

894
00:46:54.519 --> 00:46:57.840
get out, so I have to stay in the fairway.

895
00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.880
How can I stay in the fairway? So sometimes that

896
00:47:00.039 --> 00:47:02.079
meant hitting eight iron instead of five iron and just

897
00:47:02.119 --> 00:47:06.960
playing thirty yards short. Sometimes it meant aiming like absolutely

898
00:47:06.960 --> 00:47:09.159
the other direction of the water and then having a

899
00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:11.559
longer shot in. And now I'm starting to think of

900
00:47:11.599 --> 00:47:14.360
the game differently from the people that I'm trying to help,

901
00:47:14.480 --> 00:47:17.519
perspectives like, well, how do we help them? Well, you

902
00:47:17.960 --> 00:47:23.119
have to aim for your your ability always. So it's

903
00:47:23.440 --> 00:47:24.159
so interesting.

904
00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:27.960
Yeah, it sounds fascinating. So tell us about where we

905
00:47:28.039 --> 00:47:30.880
can find you online? What is a big swing kings

906
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:31.679
dot com?

907
00:47:31.760 --> 00:47:33.360
Yes, you can see there in the hat. If it's

908
00:47:33.360 --> 00:47:35.360
on video or if it's own voice, it's Big Swing

909
00:47:35.440 --> 00:47:39.920
Kings and it's everywhere at Big Swing Kings. So website

910
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.559
is Big Swing Kings, the YouTube, the TikTok, the instagram,

911
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.679
the the everything.

912
00:47:44.679 --> 00:47:46.320
You give online lessons to.

913
00:47:46.760 --> 00:47:50.800
Online lessons, Yeah, through through skillstand through the website. You

914
00:47:50.840 --> 00:47:53.079
can book online lessons with me. You can even submit

915
00:47:53.119 --> 00:47:55.239
your swing for free and I will roast it. I mean,

916
00:47:56.079 --> 00:48:00.159
help you while also making fun content. But no, and

917
00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:02.280
that's the beautiful thing about golf is we all know

918
00:48:02.400 --> 00:48:04.960
that we suck. It doesn't matter what level you're at.

919
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.199
You can watch the top pros on a bad day.

920
00:48:07.239 --> 00:48:09.800
We all know that we suck. And that's what makes

921
00:48:09.840 --> 00:48:11.159
it so much fun is that we can make fun

922
00:48:11.159 --> 00:48:14.000
of ourselves and we can see our errors in life.

923
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:16.960
It's like, it's like how we should think about life.

924
00:48:17.000 --> 00:48:19.119
It's like, ah, we mess up all sorts of places,

925
00:48:19.559 --> 00:48:22.079
and we're okay looking at ourselves and saying, yeah, you

926
00:48:22.079 --> 00:48:23.800
know what, that actually does need to change. And that's

927
00:48:23.840 --> 00:48:26.119
what I love so much about helping people in golfers

928
00:48:26.119 --> 00:48:27.519
that we all know that we need help.

929
00:48:27.519 --> 00:48:30.599
We all yeah, mar Martin Chuck said you can't embarrass me.

930
00:48:30.760 --> 00:48:33.480
I play golf exactly, so you can't say anything that

931
00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:34.400
will embarrass me.

932
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.199
I have missed a two foot putt to win a match,

933
00:48:37.280 --> 00:48:39.079
like it's there.

934
00:48:39.679 --> 00:48:40.920
You should be looking at the hole.

935
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:48.719
No, I need one of those balanced lie angle balanced putter.

936
00:48:48.800 --> 00:48:50.039
That's the newest trend, isn't it.

937
00:48:50.159 --> 00:48:56.159
Don't get me for not for golf smarter listeners, No, no, no, listen.

938
00:48:56.199 --> 00:48:58.800
We've been on lie angle balance. We've been on the

939
00:48:58.920 --> 00:49:05.519
Lab golf putter for since twenty nineteen. Huge advocate. Absolutely

940
00:49:05.599 --> 00:49:08.719
love those butters. So don't cross me here. This is

941
00:49:08.760 --> 00:49:11.400
not the time because we're about to say goodbye, David.

942
00:49:11.400 --> 00:49:13.840
This has been a lot of fun. Thank you so

943
00:49:13.960 --> 00:49:15.239
much for joining us today.

944
00:49:16.119 --> 00:49:18.280
I actually do have a Lab butter in the bag

945
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at the moment, so I can't say too much.

946
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Yeah, of course you do. Everyone should and probably will soon.

947
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Oh my god, David, thanks a lot, really appreciate it.

948
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Thank you friend.