Oct. 31, 2025

Jimmy Demeret Instructed Eben Dennis to See It! Feel It! Do It!

Jimmy Demeret Instructed Eben Dennis to See It! Feel It! Do It!
Jimmy Demeret Instructed Eben Dennis to See It! Feel It! Do It!
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Jimmy Demeret Instructed Eben Dennis to See It! Feel It! Do It!
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GS#446 July 22, 2014 As a little kid and teenager, Eben Dennis grew up in Houston playing with, and absorbing the wisdom some of his Dad’s friends. Those friends happened to be Ben Hogan, Jackie Burke, and Jimmy Demaret. Each of those greats saw something special in Eben and shared lessons that he was able to use as a player and instructor in later years. Eben discusses those thoughts and reminds us that the ball has no mind of it’s own and only flies where our hands go.

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Golf Smarter number four hundred and forty six, originally published

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on July twenty second, twenty fourteen.

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Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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insight and advice from the best instructors featured on the

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interview library features hundreds of hours of game improvement conversations

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like this that are no longer available in any podcast app.

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What you really have to have is a relationship with

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the target, not the target itself. If you try to

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point perfectly towards something, your arm in your hand will shake.

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If you try to hold a cup of coffee perfectly still,

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you'll spill it. But if you just calmly find a relationship,

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it's like looking through a window, and where your hands

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end up is kind of like where the window is sitting,

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and you're trying to get your hands in a relationship

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with that target, not reach toward that target. Just like

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firing a gun. You see the target and you're pointing

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a gun in relationship to that target, but you're not

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actually trying to get to the target. I think that's

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another mistake people do is they try to guide things

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toward a target. You have no control over that golf ball,

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literally zero. So what you've got to do is control

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what's within you. And the only thing that's within you

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is this balance that comes to finish in relationship to

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that target.

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See it, feel it, do it. As told by Jimmy

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Demura to Evan denn This is Golf Smarter. Welcome back

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to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Evan, Hi, Fred, how are you doing today?

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I am so well. I've already got the Texas accent. Wow,

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I've talked to you for ten minutes and I am

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so well. You're contagious, my friend.

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You haven't heard the real Texas accent. Go to West Texas.

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Oh well. You know, if I ever spend like a

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week in Atlanta, which I used to do a lot,

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I would have to go down. I would come home

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with all y'all. Yes, I love all y'all, and even

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I go to New Orleans. It just takes a couple

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of days and all of a sudden, I've picked up accents.

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It's nuts. Yes, it's been a long time since we've spoken,

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but we've continued to promote your power Field Golf DVD

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and training booklet on the Golf Smarter website at our

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golfers Maart and we have been getting reaction to it.

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People find it and they purchase it. We really appreciate

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you selling it here.

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All I appreciate you carrying it too.

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Well. Yeah, and it's been what two thousand and nine,

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episode two hundred and eleven was the last time you

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were on, so there are people who will remember you. Yeah,

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though people remember you, but there are a lot of

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people who have not heard about power Field Golf, and

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I thought it would be great to reintroduce them to

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that and talk about what's going on in your teaching

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and your method of teaching because I found it very effective.

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Well, I would say the biggest thing Fred that's gone

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on since we last talked is my goal is always

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to make it simpler because I feel the simpler you

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can make the game, the more fun it is. And

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you know, get people to understand how to use their

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inate abilities rather than trying to imitate or copy somebody else.

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And you know, like I was always told, when you

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try to paint by numbers, which is what majority of

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instruction is, and they try to tell you what positions

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to be in that doesn't fit your body. Everybody's different.

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We've got five hundred and something paired muscles and we

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have to learn how to use them the way that

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works best for us, not the way that looks good

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with Rory McElroy or Adam Scott or somebody else, because

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we're just not going to be able to do that.

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Unfortunately, that's true.

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Yeah, but yet we can find our best game if

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we know where to look.

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Yeah. Well, one of the complaints are the major complaints

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of golf is it's too hard, it takes too long,

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it's too expensive. So when you're saying make it simpler,

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are you talking about making the game simpler or making

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instruction simpler?

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Well, really both, but instruction and the way you go

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about practicing simpler.

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That's huge.

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Yeah. If you think about if you change the way

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you see something, what you see changes. And most people

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just see golf in the wrong way. They see that

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they're supposed to hit a ball with a golf club

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and make it go somewhere, so they're trying to control

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the end of the club rather than understanding how that

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really happens. It's just like if you tried to focus

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on the end of a fork while you're eating or

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the end of a fly swatter. While you're swatting a fly,

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you'll be very unsuccessful. Go on.

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I am enthralled.

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Okay, well, what I found over all the years, and

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it really goes back to what I learned from Jackie Burke,

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Jimmy to Merritt, and Ben Hogan and a few others

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like Julius Boris, who I was fortunate enough to be

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around because they were all good friends with my dad.

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And actually Jackie Burke and Jimmy to Merritt, I lived

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five hundred yards from the club they owned down in

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Houston called Champions Golf Club, and so they were my teachers.

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I started playing when I was nine, and as soon

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as they saw that I was going to be pretty good,

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they started helping me. Well what they started telling me

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was and unfortunately I kind of steered away from after

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I thought I was really good. I wanted to know

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too much. They taught me how simple the game really

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could be. But then once I got into probably my

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junior year of high school, I started listening to all

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these guys. They were talking swing theories and everything else,

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and rather than getting better, I got worse like most

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people do, and so I went through college doing that,

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played college golf major college golf, and then I played

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a little bit of professional golf. But I never felt

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like I had the same game that I did when

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I was fourteen or fifteen years old, because I felt

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like I had lost the ability to just feel the game.

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And one of the things you and I were talking

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to prior to the show we were talking to personally

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about was where see it feel it, and a lot

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of people call it trust it came from. Was when

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I was about fifteen years old, I was playing golf

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with Jimmy Demerit and he rarely played. He played like

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once a year, and he was in his late fifties

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back then, and he asked me to go play one morning,

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and so we went out to the golf course. He

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didn't warm up or anything. His clubs had dust all

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over them, which is in my book, and so we

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get out there and he just smokes it right down

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the tenth tee. We played the tournament course to a

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cypress creek course, and he continued to do that the

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whole nine holes, and on the eighth hole I was

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even par. He was like five under already, and I

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looked at him, I said, mister de merit, I don't understand.

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You never touch a club, you don't practice, you don't

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do anything. You come out here and you make it

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look like it's a walk in the park and there's

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no effort to your golf swing. He said, Evan, you

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see that green up there. He said, all I do

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is I see it, I feel it, and I just

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do it. And he said, I don't think about it.

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He said, I know what it feels like, and i

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know how to control the shot from my hands, and

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I'm not thinking. He said, I'm not thinking about where

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the clubhead is, or my foot position or anything like that.

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So and that's the way he grew up. He rarely

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made to feel the game.

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When you rarely make mistakes, you don't have to second

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guess yourself. For many of us who picked up the

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game later in life and don't play competitively, just love

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to play the game, but are always struggling. Every golfer

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is struggling to improve. That's all across the board. But

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for those of us weekend hacks, you know, we're working

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all week, don't get a lot of time to practice.

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Would love to practice more, you know, inch out every

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hour that we can in the backyard or at a

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range or something like that, wherever we can. I don't

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see it as being so simple like that. What am

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I missing?

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Well, what you're missing is where you focus your energies.

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Like I started to say earlier, where most people focus

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their energy is on hitting the golf ball and trying

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to steer it to a target, so they reach toward

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the golf ball rather than swinging toward the target. And

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one of the things Jackie Burke told me when I

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was probably twelve or thirteen years old was Evan, the

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golf ball goes wherever your hands go, good or bad.

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So if you understand how to get your hands to

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go there, and you have control of the club, then

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you have control of the shot. Now it's happening at

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a fast pace, you know, the usually you're swinging at

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about eighty to one hundred miles an hour. The clubhead

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is but your hands really aren't moving that fast. So

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it's the clubhead that's moving that fast. But your hands

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you can slow them down if you want, to speed

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them up if you want to. But the main thing

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is once you learn how to control the tool in

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your hands properly and direct that energy toward the target

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instead of toward the ball. You change everything.

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I like that idea, So let's figure out how to

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make it simpler for all of us. What are the

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elements that we have to focus on and what do

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we have to stop beating ourselves up with that's going

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to make well the process simpler.

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Okay, let's first get rid of the things you don't need.

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You don't need to know how to put your feet

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at a certain width. You don't need to know where

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to put the club in your stands. You don't need

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to know how to bend your knees. You don't need

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to know how to keep your head down. That's one

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of the worst ones, is keeping your head down because

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that actually gets in your own way of your golf swing.

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So think about that. You What you're really trying to

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do is have as clear and as clean a path

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for your hands to work on as possible. Well, that

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starts with balance. Balance is a feeling. It's a feeling

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of having a tool in your hands balanced that you

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can swing back and forth, not up and down, which

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most people swing up, down and out, and that's why

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most people slice it. But if you can swing back

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and forth with your hands balanced, then the body will

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support that action and it will give the illusion of

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an eye shoulder turn, a nice hip turn. It'll give

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the illusion that your head stayed down when in reality,

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your eyes are clearing the way for your hands on

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the follow through. So you know, if you really watch

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the players on tour, you won't see their eyes stuck

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on the golf ball. You'll see them gently guiding toward

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the target in front of the hands. So it's like

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it's like throwing a baseball. You don't look at the

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baseball while you're throwing it. You look toward the target

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and you kind of clear the way mentally and visually

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for your hand to come through toward that target. Well,

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the same thing happens in golf, but you can't do

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that until you put your energies, your mental especially that

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third eye. If you understand what I'm talking about, toward

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the target. In other words, if you look at something

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ahead of you in pre shot before you swing, and

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you bury that image in your head, then that's where

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your hands want to go. So then you hold that

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image in your head and you kind of do a

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blank stare toward the golf ball, which keeps you from

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focusing on the ball. It kind of takes it out

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of focus, if you want to say it that way.

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So what we're really trying to accomplish is this clear

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space for the hands to work in until they finish

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their work.

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Why do you use the word illusion?

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The illusion of the golf ball is. What you're really

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trying to do is get your mind. You know how

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when you stare through somebody, you're kind of daydreaming about something. Yeah,

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and you can look right at someone, but you don't

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really see them they're right in front of you because

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you're daydreaming. That's the I call that.

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I actually call that peeing in the ocean. That look

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you get on your face when you're peeing in the

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ocean's like exactly.

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That's what you should have on your face when you're

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standing over a golf shot and swinging, because that way,

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your mind, your mental energy is toward the target, not

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at the golf ball. Most people stare at a golf

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ball the way if I was looking at you, I'd

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be staring at your nose. It does very little good,

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doesn't do anything for me. You've got to be thinking ahead,

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not right in front of you. And that's why most

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people hit at the golf ball because that's where all

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their energy, mental and physical is directed toward.

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This is a complete coincidence, but two of the last

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three episodes of Golf Smarter we're on target oriented golf.

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We even had JB. Holmes, caddy talking about the work

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that he's done with Colin Cromac who's in the UK,

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and Colin was on talking about his whole program of

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target oriented golf. You sound like you're a believer.

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Well, okay, that's a small part of it again, just

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like process is a small part of the picture. A

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process is extremely important. Target oriented is very important. But

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if you don't have good balance of the tool in

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your hands, if you don't have the idea that you're

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clearing space for those hands to work in, if you

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don't have the idea that you know that your vision

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is toward that target, then it doesn't matter if your

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target oriented. If you don't understand the whole process. Just

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like if you have a process but you don't understand

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that all that energy has to be directed toward the target,

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then neither one work. They have to go together. You

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have to have both process and target to go along

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with understanding what gives you the best opportunity to get there.

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So it's not just one or the other. It's actually

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a combination of things. But the one the phrases I

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like to use is it's balance, control, and vision if

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you don't have good balance. And when I mean balance, I.

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Was going to ask you about that because my biggest

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issue is with the driver. It's the only club that

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I like. Fall out after I swing my driver because

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I'm probably swinging it too hard, but no other club, No,

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keep going.

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It's typically not because you swing it too harsh because

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you swing out of balance. You fall because you're out

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of balance.

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Okay.

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And when I say out of balance, balance is not

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at the feet. The feet are there to be soft

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and to allow the hands to work freely. The balance

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is in the hands. To imagine you had a medicine

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ball in your hands, a ten pound medicine ball with

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a couple of handles on it. You know, you see

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those ones with the handles on it, and you're swinging

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that medicine ball back and forth, just like you would

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a golf swing, kind of underneath you, and you're trying

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to throw it into a wall. Okay, if you throw

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it out away from you. You're going to fall over

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toward out away from you. If you just use it

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along your body and you find a place that's easy

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to release it in front of you, that's where your

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best golf swing is. In other words, what you're doing

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is you're reaching down the target line or the ball

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line rather than actually, let me put it a different

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way so you can kind of get the visual. If

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you had two lines. You had a line from the

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ball to the target, and then you had another line

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from your hands to the target. The ball to the target,

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your hands have to reach out to go down that line.

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The line from the hands to the target is a direct,

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easy to balance line. If you swing that line, the

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golf club works properly. If you swing down the ball line,

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everything's messed up, everything's off balance.

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Okay, this is making so much sense to me, especially

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thank you for telling me I'm not swinging too hard

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because it like, Yeah, you.

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Can swing as hard as you want to if you're

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in balance, if you're efficient. Another good word is efficient.

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If your hands are working efficiently in front of your body,

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then that club is working efficiently too, and you can

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swing with as much effort as you want to as

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long as you don't swing out of balance and out

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of balance. If you were to put your hands the

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left hand to the left of you, right hand of

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the right of you, where you feel like if you

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were holding two five pound medicine balls up in your hands,

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that's as far as you can swing in balance straight.

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Are you saying I'm trying to do this? Am I

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putting my arm that straight?

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Without straightening your arms where you're relaxed and comfortable, hands

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are in a like at a handshake distance. Okay. You

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never extend your arm fully out to shake someone's hand.

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You extend it with a slight bend in your elbow

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and a relax in your shoulder. And so if you

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think of handshake distance on the left side of you

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or right side of you, or in front of you,

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as long as you swing within that, you are in balance.

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In other words, your hands work at a certain distance

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from your body most efficiently. Once you try to reach out,

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If you take your hand right hand or left hand

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and you reach out away from you, you'll feel your

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body go the opposite direction to keep you from falling over. Okay,

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And that's what you experience when you swing the golf

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club that's out of balance in your hands. When your

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hands are out of balance, so is the golf club.

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And not only that, it slows the golf club down

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because your body has to shut down in order to

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keep you from falling again. It can't work faster, it

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actually works slower. So your best golf swing, your most

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efficient golf swing, actually feels slower even though it's actually

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working faster.

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And is that the control part of balance control, vision, well.

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Control is actually how you hold it in your hands.

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You put pressure from your palms out, then you're not

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controlling the club the right way. So think about it

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like your your fingers or your hands become a vice

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on the club and you find where that vice is

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and you hold it up, not pushing out, So you're

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using your finger muscles more in toward toward the sky,

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and you're balancing that club just like you would balance

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a plate or something out in front of you.

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And you lost me, what do you mean pushing up?

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Okay, pushing and not pushing up, holding up, holding up.

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So like you if you had a platter and you're

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holding a platter right in front of you that's full

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of food, say, or wine glasses or something you're not

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going to push out with your palms because the whole

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thing's gonna tip over.

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Right right, Okay, I got the visual.

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Going hold up with your fingers. You grab the two

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sides and you hold it up with your fingers. If

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you imagine that's the way you hold a golf club,

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then now you have control of that tool. And the

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way Hogan showed me that one was he shook my

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hand and he showed me in a handshake. And I'll

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never forget that feeling because you could feel how firm

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his fingers were yet how soft his arms were.

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That's awesome that you can say.

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And actually that brings up a great point because everybody says, well,

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Hogan said hold the club lightly. That's absolutely false what

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he said. And because I asked him that question when

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I was about sixteen years old, I said, I can't

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hold the club like that, and he said you shouldn't, Son,

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and he used a few expletives to go along with it.

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And after he got through berating me about it, he said,

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here's how you hold it. You hold it like you

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mean it so no one can take it away from you.

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But you don't squeeze it with your palms. You use

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your fingers to control it, not your palms. And he

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said that means that all your pressure will stay constant

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throughout the golf swing, because now you've got a control

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that you can use. Rather than if you're pushing with

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your palms, your fingers come loose. Try to hold anything,

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push out with your palms and try to tighten your fingers.

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You cannot do it.

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Right. Why is it that everybody wants to quote Hogan?

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Was he a teacher or was he just an amazing player?

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Actually, Jimmy Demarrett was his teacher. He was an amazing player,

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but he had a major flaw in his golf swing

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that cost him early in his career and he had

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to do a lot of strength training over in order

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to overcome it. And that was that he swung out

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toward the ball a little bit. And so that's why

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his swing looks flat because it was an end to

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out swing and when it wasn't working quite right, it

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turned into a snap hook. And if you talked to

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him who knew him later in life, he could not

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keep from hitting that snap hook because of that. As

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he got weaker, and the best swing in any if

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you had talked to Sam sneid Ben Hogan, Byron Nelson,

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any of the greats of that era who had the

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absolute best off swing of that era, or maybe ever.

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They would all tell you. Jimmy de Merritt that swing

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was so simple and so strong it was unbelievable. Why Well,

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because he was very efficient in the use of his hands,

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and he had great balance of the tool in his hands,

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and he had great vision toward the target. And that's

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where I use vision. Vision is really where your mind's

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eye is. When your mind's eye is only on hitting

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a ball, guess what, that's what you're going to focus on,

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and that's where everything ends. And that's why you can't

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control the direction. But when you have your vision toward

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the target and you're feeling it just like it's part

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of you, that shot, the shape of that shot with

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your hands, like it's part of you. Now you've got

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complete control of it as long as you have good

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balance and good control of the tool.

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This brings me back to and the reason I asked you,

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was Hogan a teacher, because you said earlier, we don't

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want to try to have Rory McElroy swing. We don't

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want to have Adam Scott swing. But then you were saying,

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we want ben Hogan's swing.

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No, I said, we do not want ben hogan swing,

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want his control. Ah ah, we want his control, we

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want his balance. But that's only going to be what's

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personal to us. If and I'll put it in a

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way that might simplify it. There's a reason some people

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will never be good golfers and others will be great golfers.

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It's actually the way their hands work. Some people have

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a natural balancing and control ability in their hands that

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others don't, and a lot of it's in training. If

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you start out young and you do something, let's say

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like volleyball or basketball, and you're using your hand a

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completely different way than you would for golf, you're not

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going to be as good a golfer. You rarely see

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a good basketball player that's a good golfer, and the

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reason is is they're pushing instead of pulling. Even though

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they're using their fingers, they're still pushing and whereas in

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golf you're really pulling with your fingers. The other thing

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that everybody loses sight of is that, you know, we're

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all built differently, Like my flexibility is not nearly what

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it was forty years ago because I've got some arthritis

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issues in my back, so my limits of range of

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motion have decreased quite a bit. So now I have

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to be careful that I stay within my balance. My

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current balance, not what I could do when I was

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fourteen fifteen years old. And that's what a lot of

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people try to swing imitating making shoulder turns hip turns, which,

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by the way, when you try to make a shoulder

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turn or hip turn deliberately, you're now your body is

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out of sequence. If your hands don't lead it, then

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you have lost the sequence of the motion. It'd be

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like trying to turn your hips while you're walking and

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trying to lead with your hips instead of your feet.

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If you've ever done that, you know it's awkward.

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Yes, I definitely know it's awkward because I was like, oh, shoot,

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I've not been I've been not been turning my hips

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on my back swing, and then I try to remember

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it in the back swing, and all of a sudden,

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everything is now nothing's worth well.

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It gets you totally off focus of what's really important.

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If you narrowed everything down to the ability of your

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hand to do the work, then you can find your

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best off swing instruction is not really that important. The

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only thing you need someone is someone who can guide

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you to help you find that right balance and that

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00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:20.759
right motion the first time that fits you. And once

469
00:26:20.799 --> 00:26:23.680
you've done that, you're pretty much on your own. You

470
00:26:23.720 --> 00:26:25.680
can self teach from that point on.

471
00:26:27.759 --> 00:26:29.359
And that should be a goal.

472
00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:32.720
That should be very much a goal what a lot

473
00:26:32.759 --> 00:26:37.079
of teachers do. And it's not their fault. It happened

474
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:39.759
many many years ago, back in the forties and fifties,

475
00:26:39.759 --> 00:26:43.039
when the club pros back then weren't making any money

476
00:26:43.119 --> 00:26:45.960
and they thought the best way to have an extra

477
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:49.519
income was to keep people on the hook for lessons,

478
00:26:50.200 --> 00:26:53.839
and so they were baffling them with bs and they

479
00:26:53.839 --> 00:26:56.200
were telling them all these things that now have become

480
00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.880
the godlike that. You're supposed to turn your supposed to

481
00:27:01.920 --> 00:27:04.039
turn your shoulders, You're supposed to do this, You're supposed

482
00:27:04.039 --> 00:27:06.640
to do that, supposed to bend your knees, supposed to

483
00:27:06.680 --> 00:27:09.960
stick your butt out, supposed to keep your spine straight.

484
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.720
None of those are comfortable. If they're not comfortable, they're

485
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.000
not right.

486
00:27:16.799 --> 00:27:20.799
So that takes us to right kind of right back

487
00:27:20.839 --> 00:27:24.799
to where we were starting, is about teaching being too

488
00:27:24.880 --> 00:27:30.119
complex to the status of teaching today. And now you

489
00:27:30.160 --> 00:27:34.599
can find teachers on the web, I mean any you

490
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:38.400
can get personalized instruction on the web. Is this a

491
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:38.960
good thing?

492
00:27:41.440 --> 00:27:45.759
No, because you know the way I related, It's like

493
00:27:45.839 --> 00:27:48.400
trying to find a good contractor to come work in

494
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.200
your house. You got about a one in five or

495
00:27:51.240 --> 00:27:54.359
one in ten chance of doing it. And same thing

496
00:27:54.400 --> 00:27:57.400
with teachers. And again it's not a slam on them.

497
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.559
It's just that they have not been educated. And if

498
00:28:00.559 --> 00:28:04.640
they're not educated properly, then they're not doing you any good.

499
00:28:04.759 --> 00:28:06.880
You're better off to just go with what you know,

500
00:28:07.720 --> 00:28:11.160
then go to somebody who you know. The typical thing

501
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:14.480
you hear is well I got worse. You'll hear that

502
00:28:14.920 --> 00:28:18.519
eight out of ten times. And actually that was a

503
00:28:19.039 --> 00:28:23.000
study done by the PHA of America about fifteen twenty

504
00:28:23.079 --> 00:28:26.279
years ago, and they found that fifty percent of the

505
00:28:26.319 --> 00:28:30.440
people got worse, thirty percent stayed the same, and only

506
00:28:30.480 --> 00:28:34.799
ten to twenty percent improved from lessons. That's not a

507
00:28:34.880 --> 00:28:36.720
very good stat and of course they didn't want to

508
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:39.359
publish it because they knew how bad it was. That's

509
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:42.799
why they're always trying to find a better way. But

510
00:28:42.839 --> 00:28:46.160
they don't know where to go. Because what we said

511
00:28:46.240 --> 00:28:49.119
in the very beginning is when you see something a

512
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:54.200
certain way, then it's the old adage of you know,

513
00:28:54.519 --> 00:28:56.119
if you try to do the same thing over and

514
00:28:56.200 --> 00:29:00.119
over again, you're you know, you're still going to end

515
00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:01.119
up with the same outcome.

516
00:29:01.319 --> 00:29:03.519
Yeah, nothing is insanity, right.

517
00:29:03.720 --> 00:29:08.839
Definition of insanity. And so unless people start seeing the

518
00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:12.400
game differently, they're not going to improve. They're just going

519
00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:15.599
to be out there hacking balls, trying all these gimmicks

520
00:29:15.960 --> 00:29:19.240
that don't work. They just will never work because they

521
00:29:19.279 --> 00:29:23.640
don't fit you personally. You have to understand how your hands,

522
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.200
your hand eye coordination works and how to focus on

523
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:30.880
that target, which I again I love target oriented, but

524
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.119
it doesn't do any good if you don't understand what

525
00:29:33.240 --> 00:29:36.000
it is you're orienting toward the target. If you're orienting

526
00:29:36.400 --> 00:29:39.039
the golf ball toward the target, that's like trying to

527
00:29:39.079 --> 00:29:40.799
tell the golf ball where to go, and it's got

528
00:29:40.839 --> 00:29:43.200
no brain. When you find a golf ball with a brain,

529
00:29:43.319 --> 00:29:47.519
let me know, then I'll believe the golf ball you tell.

530
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.799
Then you got to use what the sense of eye,

531
00:29:50.799 --> 00:29:52.240
hand coordination you have.

532
00:29:53.559 --> 00:29:55.519
So it's best to find a teacher that you can

533
00:29:55.559 --> 00:29:58.920
work one on one with and he can help you

534
00:29:59.000 --> 00:30:01.359
with your hand, he can touch, he can be there

535
00:30:01.400 --> 00:30:03.720
with you. Then trying to find someone who's just looking

536
00:30:03.720 --> 00:30:06.880
at your videos of your swing, right, and.

537
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.400
Again, what you want is, which is rare. You're going

538
00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:13.200
to have to find someone who understands feel and eye

539
00:30:13.200 --> 00:30:18.160
hand coordination, not someone who's teaching you ball position, club

540
00:30:18.200 --> 00:30:23.119
head position, backswing, the backswing. If the backswing were important,

541
00:30:23.200 --> 00:30:25.480
you wouldn't have players like Jim Furick on the tour.

542
00:30:26.839 --> 00:30:30.599
You wouldn't have like Craig Stadler on the when he

543
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:33.720
played and played great. You wouldn't have even had Jack

544
00:30:33.799 --> 00:30:39.480
Nicholas if it was about backswing, or Arnold Palmer. What

545
00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:42.759
separated them from the rest was their ability to focus

546
00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:45.440
on where they were going, not what they were hitting.

547
00:30:47.200 --> 00:30:50.279
Should we be looking at down the line at the

548
00:30:50.319 --> 00:30:53.599
target when we swing the club, No, you.

549
00:30:53.519 --> 00:30:55.359
Have to it has to be a mental picture of

550
00:30:55.359 --> 00:30:58.839
the target, and it has to be what you really

551
00:30:58.880 --> 00:31:01.279
have to have as a relay relationship with the target,

552
00:31:01.440 --> 00:31:06.000
not the target itself. So imagine that if you put,

553
00:31:06.359 --> 00:31:09.000
if you pointed at something, if you try to point

554
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:12.480
perfectly towards something, your arm in your hand will shake.

555
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.559
If you try to hold a cup of coffee perfectly still,

556
00:31:15.880 --> 00:31:20.960
you'll spill it. But if you just calmly find a relationship,

557
00:31:21.279 --> 00:31:25.160
like it's like looking through a window, and where your

558
00:31:25.200 --> 00:31:27.359
hands end up is kind of like where the window

559
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:30.519
is sitting, and you're trying to get your hands in

560
00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:34.079
a relationship with that target, not reach toward that target.

561
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:37.160
So in other words, you see it in the background,

562
00:31:37.279 --> 00:31:40.359
just like firing a gun, you see the target. You're

563
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.759
pulling a trigger in relationship to that target, pointing a

564
00:31:43.799 --> 00:31:47.079
gun in relationship to that target, but you're not actually

565
00:31:47.079 --> 00:31:50.000
trying to get to the target. I think that's another

566
00:31:50.079 --> 00:31:53.759
mistake people do, is they try to guide things toward

567
00:31:53.799 --> 00:31:56.839
a target. You have no control over that golf ball,

568
00:31:57.519 --> 00:32:01.200
literally zero. So what you've got to do is control

569
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:04.279
what's within you. And the only thing that's within you

570
00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:08.240
is this balance that comes to a finish in relationship

571
00:32:08.240 --> 00:32:08.960
to that target.

572
00:32:12.200 --> 00:32:14.519
I think the name of this episode, and I want

573
00:32:14.559 --> 00:32:18.119
to pursue this even more, is go with what you know.

574
00:32:19.119 --> 00:32:25.319
Exactly and learn to understand how your body functions balance

575
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.759
and control and vision in relationship to balance and control

576
00:32:30.759 --> 00:32:34.160
and vision in relationship to that tool and focus from

577
00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:36.759
the hands to the target, not the club to the target,

578
00:32:36.880 --> 00:32:40.240
not the ball to the target. Okay, So once you

579
00:32:40.359 --> 00:32:43.599
build the relationship between your hands, your eyes and that target,

580
00:32:44.000 --> 00:32:46.359
the club just becomes a tool in your hands, like

581
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:49.559
a hammer, a shovel or anything else. It's just a

582
00:32:49.599 --> 00:32:53.079
tool you're holding on to. We understand the tools. We

583
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:57.599
have this inate ability to understand where things are. It's

584
00:32:57.640 --> 00:33:01.480
just like if you ever watch anybody that it does fencing,

585
00:33:01.680 --> 00:33:05.400
sword fighting, you'll see they don't focus on the end

586
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:09.559
of the sword. They focus on their target, and they're

587
00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.240
always and so they're just feeling it in their hands,

588
00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.000
how to get the end of that to the target,

589
00:33:14.359 --> 00:33:16.359
and they never see the sword itself.

590
00:33:20.440 --> 00:33:23.880
One of your things that we talked about before and

591
00:33:23.880 --> 00:33:26.680
i'd love to talk about again in the power field

592
00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:30.559
golf is all the stress that's put on your body

593
00:33:30.559 --> 00:33:34.319
in the golf swing, and how your program is designed

594
00:33:34.319 --> 00:33:40.640
to help remove or eliminate or even reduce the stress

595
00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:41.359
on your body.

596
00:33:43.000 --> 00:33:46.480
And okay, well let's let's talk about it. And everybody

597
00:33:46.599 --> 00:33:48.599
remembers Michael Johnson the runner.

598
00:33:48.359 --> 00:33:53.160
Right sure, Okay, so does everybody here. Oh it's just me.

599
00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:53.720
I'm sorry.

600
00:33:53.839 --> 00:33:58.359
Okay, okay, So most people remember Michael Johnson the runner.

601
00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:02.680
Why was he so good at what he did? He

602
00:34:02.759 --> 00:34:05.920
was very efficient in his motion, so there was very

603
00:34:05.920 --> 00:34:08.719
little stress on his body. That's why he never got injured.

604
00:34:09.480 --> 00:34:12.519
And then you watch other runners who put out a

605
00:34:12.599 --> 00:34:16.719
lot of effort, probably had more ability than Michael Johnson did,

606
00:34:16.719 --> 00:34:19.480
but he was so efficient he could beat them. They

607
00:34:19.519 --> 00:34:23.360
were so inefficient that they injured themselves. It's the same

608
00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:26.519
thing with a golf swing. If you're efficient with the

609
00:34:26.639 --> 00:34:28.840
use of your hands and you allow your body to

610
00:34:28.920 --> 00:34:32.920
simply react to their use, you're using minimum amount of

611
00:34:32.920 --> 00:34:36.840
effort to create maximum amount of power and control.

612
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:42.199
It's it's starting to make sense to me here and

613
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:46.440
I'm and I'm going over you know, as you're talking,

614
00:34:46.519 --> 00:34:51.639
I'm starting to realize how much, way, too much thought

615
00:34:51.639 --> 00:34:55.400
that's going into every swing that I'm taking, and I'm

616
00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:58.800
overdoing everything and not getting the results that I know

617
00:34:58.880 --> 00:34:59.199
I can.

618
00:35:00.679 --> 00:35:02.760
Well, that's what I hear from most people is they're

619
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.679
just trying too hard to control something they have no

620
00:35:05.800 --> 00:35:08.840
control over. You know, there's another old saying, give up

621
00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:12.039
control to gain control. Give up control of all those

622
00:35:12.039 --> 00:35:15.079
things that you have no control over and then gain

623
00:35:15.159 --> 00:35:18.960
control of the things that you can control and go

624
00:35:19.159 --> 00:35:22.880
back to the word process. Well, if we understand balance,

625
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:27.000
control and vision as that being the total that we

626
00:35:27.039 --> 00:35:29.599
need to play our best golf. We just have to

627
00:35:29.599 --> 00:35:33.599
have our best balance, our best control, our best vision,

628
00:35:33.639 --> 00:35:37.280
which is totally different than somebody else's, then we have

629
00:35:37.480 --> 00:35:40.760
now gotten our best process too to go with it.

630
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:44.280
So now that we're feeling stronger, we're feeling better, we're

631
00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:49.960
feeling balanced, we you know, and we're not thinking as much. Right,

632
00:35:50.639 --> 00:35:54.440
there's still a lot left to better scoring, is there not?

633
00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:58.199
Oh? Yes, there is. Now you can focus on your

634
00:35:58.239 --> 00:36:03.000
imagination and that's the one. Once you've got balance, control

635
00:36:03.039 --> 00:36:07.320
and vision, vision is just simply understanding the relationship to

636
00:36:07.480 --> 00:36:13.159
the target. Now, imagination is how you shape your hands work,

637
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:17.119
how you shape that vision in relationship to the target.

638
00:36:17.159 --> 00:36:18.800
So if you want to hit a high fade, a

639
00:36:18.880 --> 00:36:22.119
low draw, if you want to hit a flop shot,

640
00:36:22.480 --> 00:36:24.559
all you have to do is imagine how you're going

641
00:36:24.599 --> 00:36:27.360
to do it with your hands first, and everything else

642
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:30.559
will fall into place. Then it's up to you to

643
00:36:30.679 --> 00:36:36.880
really expand your imagination to see where your limits are

644
00:36:37.199 --> 00:36:39.159
on the shots you can create.

645
00:36:40.039 --> 00:36:43.480
Expand on the idea of imagination with your hands first,

646
00:36:43.800 --> 00:36:45.320
that really hit me.

647
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.559
Well, think about it, like if you've ever watched you

648
00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:52.679
ever been to a sushi place or a what do

649
00:36:52.719 --> 00:36:56.199
they call it, well, like Kobe steakhouse or whatever it's called,

650
00:36:56.960 --> 00:36:59.880
where they sit there and they do all kinds of tricks.

651
00:36:59.559 --> 00:37:02.719
With the not Benny Hannah, Benny Hannah.

652
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:07.800
Okay, what yeah, exactly, But what they what they're doing.

653
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:11.400
What they're doing is they're using their imagination to create

654
00:37:11.559 --> 00:37:17.360
all these illusions with the tools by simply using their

655
00:37:17.360 --> 00:37:20.119
hands differently. So imagine he's slicing the left and then

656
00:37:20.519 --> 00:37:23.840
he's doing with his left hand and on his right

657
00:37:23.880 --> 00:37:26.440
hand he's coming over the top with the right. Well,

658
00:37:26.559 --> 00:37:28.920
that's a fade and a draw, you know, that's all

659
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:35.679
that is. And so it's your Your imagination is your

660
00:37:35.719 --> 00:37:40.280
limitation really and other than physical. Once you get past

661
00:37:40.320 --> 00:37:43.679
the physical. If you have physical ability to control a

662
00:37:43.719 --> 00:37:47.239
golf club, then your imagination is what separates the best

663
00:37:47.280 --> 00:37:47.920
from the rest.

664
00:37:48.719 --> 00:37:51.800
Do you find golf as a creative sport?

665
00:37:52.119 --> 00:37:55.480
Oh very much, so, very very much. So. That's why

666
00:37:55.559 --> 00:37:58.760
Tiger at his peak was so good, because he was

667
00:37:58.800 --> 00:38:02.440
more creative than anybody else, and he trusted his creativity.

668
00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:06.400
You see guys that look great swing in the golf club,

669
00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:10.239
but they have no creativity. They never win. You can

670
00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:13.039
go back to Gene Lttler, didn't win much, had a

671
00:38:13.079 --> 00:38:16.280
beautiful golf swing. I could name dozens of them if

672
00:38:16.280 --> 00:38:19.440
I could remember their names, but you know, over the years.

673
00:38:19.519 --> 00:38:22.519
I mean Tom Weiscoff is a great example, one of

674
00:38:22.559 --> 00:38:26.119
the best golf swings of all time. Had no imagination

675
00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:29.639
or very little. So you know, he didn't win. He

676
00:38:29.679 --> 00:38:32.039
won one British Open in a few tournaments. He was

677
00:38:32.119 --> 00:38:36.159
not considered a great player. He was considered great potential.

678
00:38:38.519 --> 00:38:45.719
Someone mentioned on the show that you know, we're talking

679
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.599
about creativity and you mentioned Tiger is that but Tiger

680
00:38:49.719 --> 00:38:52.320
never took a shot that he didn't practice a thousand

681
00:38:52.320 --> 00:38:57.519
times in his mind, and so you're saying that it's

682
00:38:57.519 --> 00:38:59.840
going to be that he didn't take every one of those,

683
00:39:00.400 --> 00:39:02.360
like the two hundred yard shot from the bunker over

684
00:39:02.400 --> 00:39:04.639
the water, around the tree, landing softly.

685
00:39:04.280 --> 00:39:08.000
On the green, not a thousand times. Yeah, he probably

686
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:11.239
did that for the first time that day and he

687
00:39:11.400 --> 00:39:13.400
just felt it. He felt it was right and he

688
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:14.320
felt he could do it.

689
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:17.199
So there's confidence obviously.

690
00:39:17.679 --> 00:39:19.719
Yes. I don't know if you remember there was a

691
00:39:19.760 --> 00:39:25.079
shot Jack Nicholas hit at Firestone back in the probably

692
00:39:25.239 --> 00:39:29.000
late sixties early seventies where he took a like an

693
00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:31.480
eight iron up over a tree right in front of him.

694
00:39:31.519 --> 00:39:34.559
It looked impossible out of the rough and landed it

695
00:39:34.639 --> 00:39:37.400
softly on the green at that sixteenth I think it is,

696
00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.199
at par five, and ended up winning the tournament because

697
00:39:41.199 --> 00:39:44.360
of that shot, And it was just his imagination. He

698
00:39:44.480 --> 00:39:47.519
knew he could do it where no one else probably

699
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:50.119
would have even attempted it. They would have been chipping out.

700
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.880
And most of us weekend bums. We're playing out of fear.

701
00:39:56.400 --> 00:40:01.760
Yeah, that's right. You're playing to your weaknesses rather than

702
00:40:01.800 --> 00:40:04.840
to your strengths. You're trying to stay away from trouble

703
00:40:05.400 --> 00:40:08.320
rather than embracing your abilities. Hmm.

704
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:13.440
I like that. So how do we change our mindset

705
00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:13.800
on that?

706
00:40:14.800 --> 00:40:18.639
Well, it all starts with changing your whole perception of things.

707
00:40:18.639 --> 00:40:21.639
If you start seeing things from your hands, you can

708
00:40:21.639 --> 00:40:26.679
start understanding your limitations. Until you understand your limitations, As

709
00:40:26.679 --> 00:40:29.719
long as the golf ball controls you, you don't control

710
00:40:29.760 --> 00:40:40.119
it really, So it's all about again imagination balance, control,

711
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:43.480
and vision. And if you can bury that in your brain,

712
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:46.880
that balance, control and vision are the keys to your

713
00:40:46.880 --> 00:40:49.199
best golf, then all you've got to do is find

714
00:40:49.280 --> 00:40:53.199
your best balance, your best control, your best vision, and

715
00:40:53.239 --> 00:40:55.840
you know where your limitations are. So if you're not

716
00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:59.039
capable of hitting a shot two hundred and fifty yards

717
00:40:59.079 --> 00:41:02.280
over a cree, then you lay up to that creek.

718
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:05.639
If it's just out of your realm of possibility, you

719
00:41:05.679 --> 00:41:08.039
play to your straints rather than trying to hit the

720
00:41:08.039 --> 00:41:11.400
hero shot. But you understand when you have the ability

721
00:41:11.440 --> 00:41:13.679
to do something and you don't have to back down

722
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.719
from it. So if you can hit it two fifty

723
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:19.519
over a creek and it's no big deal, then you

724
00:41:19.559 --> 00:41:23.440
can go for that shot. That's the way Tiger played.

725
00:41:23.840 --> 00:41:26.440
He played to his straints and knew when he could

726
00:41:26.519 --> 00:41:29.800
go for something. He never was afraid of it. Today

727
00:41:29.840 --> 00:41:31.480
he looks almost like he's afraid of it.

728
00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:36.559
Yeah, what would your assessment? I mean, he can't It

729
00:41:36.679 --> 00:41:39.159
seems like he can't put together two good rounds in

730
00:41:39.199 --> 00:41:39.639
a weekend.

731
00:41:40.719 --> 00:41:43.000
Well, the reason is that he's changed his golf swing

732
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.039
too many times, trying to find the perfect swing, which

733
00:41:46.079 --> 00:41:49.559
is fool's gold. I mean, you just can't. Like I

734
00:41:49.639 --> 00:41:52.519
was telling you earlier, when I was young and I

735
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:56.239
got away from what Hogan, Burke and de Merit taught me,

736
00:41:56.800 --> 00:41:59.599
I started trying to improve my golf swing. It got worse,

737
00:42:00.159 --> 00:42:03.280
get better. I tried to change my grip. It was

738
00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.000
the worst decision I ever made. And it took me

739
00:42:07.039 --> 00:42:10.800
a year to get over that one. And so you know,

740
00:42:10.840 --> 00:42:14.480
all I can tell people is find your best, tweak

741
00:42:14.519 --> 00:42:16.840
it a little bit, to try to get better balance,

742
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:21.000
better control, and use your vision better. But don't try

743
00:42:21.039 --> 00:42:25.239
to change the world in your golf swing. And understand

744
00:42:25.320 --> 00:42:29.480
your limitations. Because I don't think Tiger understands his limitations.

745
00:42:29.800 --> 00:42:32.719
He thinks he can do all these things. And again

746
00:42:32.840 --> 00:42:37.559
he's It's like something that if you go back to

747
00:42:38.639 --> 00:42:42.800
the era of Nelson of Rockefeller, the guy that was

748
00:42:42.840 --> 00:42:45.480
worth a billion dollars, like in the thirties or forties,

749
00:42:45.920 --> 00:42:47.679
someone asked him said when are you going to be

750
00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:50.960
rich enough? And he said never. Well, it's like asking

751
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:53.239
the golfer when are they going to be good enough? Never?

752
00:42:53.760 --> 00:42:57.719
So we're always after this illusion of improvement, and that's

753
00:42:57.719 --> 00:43:00.719
when we destroy ourselves. When we learn to be comfortable

754
00:43:00.760 --> 00:43:03.440
with who we are and our abilities, then we can

755
00:43:03.440 --> 00:43:04.320
play a lot better.

756
00:43:05.920 --> 00:43:09.559
So what I'm getting your saying is that Tiger, we've

757
00:43:09.599 --> 00:43:10.960
seen the best of Tiger.

758
00:43:12.159 --> 00:43:16.639
Probably unless he goes back to finding his best balance,

759
00:43:16.719 --> 00:43:19.719
his best control, and his best vision. Right now, he's

760
00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:22.440
trying to make golf swings. He's not playing golf shots.

761
00:43:22.639 --> 00:43:29.400
Wow. Wow. And the boy they golf needs him, Oh

762
00:43:29.920 --> 00:43:30.920
oh yeah.

763
00:43:31.280 --> 00:43:34.559
I mean he can still win with what he has.

764
00:43:34.920 --> 00:43:37.639
He can't dominate with what he has because he is

765
00:43:37.679 --> 00:43:42.559
so talented. I mean, it's just you can't replace that talent,

766
00:43:42.679 --> 00:43:45.719
that it, that it factor. You just can't replace it.

767
00:43:46.119 --> 00:43:48.320
He's destroyed it himself. No one else has.

768
00:43:48.920 --> 00:43:51.599
And you think he's just tweaking. He's overtweaked himself. He's

769
00:43:51.639 --> 00:43:52.960
just tried too many things.

770
00:43:53.000 --> 00:43:56.159
And yeah, he didn't have to have a perfect golf swing.

771
00:43:56.519 --> 00:44:00.000
If I go back and look at at quotes from

772
00:44:00.079 --> 00:44:02.840
Nicholas over the years, he never changed his golf swing.

773
00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:05.679
Even though everybody said, well you got to fry flying

774
00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:08.360
right elbow, you got this, you got that. He said,

775
00:44:08.360 --> 00:44:10.280
I don't care. I beat y'all, don't.

776
00:44:10.039 --> 00:44:14.719
I That's what I say to my friends, and like,

777
00:44:14.719 --> 00:44:17.320
come on, let's play the fronties days. No, I'm not

778
00:44:17.360 --> 00:44:21.199
playing the fronties. That's for girls. That's the lady like, yeah,

779
00:44:21.199 --> 00:44:24.239
you're gonna shoot part there? No, yeah, then shut up,

780
00:44:24.360 --> 00:44:26.039
let's go. And it's gonna be more fun because you're

781
00:44:26.039 --> 00:44:29.280
gonna score lower because you can you can hit your

782
00:44:29.360 --> 00:44:32.239
wedge and the green as opposed to hitting a hybrid,

783
00:44:32.360 --> 00:44:33.960
and you're gonna have much more fun.

784
00:44:34.159 --> 00:44:37.760
Come on, Yeah, that's true. And that's the other thing too.

785
00:44:37.840 --> 00:44:40.000
People have to learn how to how to play the

786
00:44:40.039 --> 00:44:42.800
golf course where they can enjoy it. A lot of

787
00:44:43.119 --> 00:44:44.760
a lot of guys just go right to the back

788
00:44:44.880 --> 00:44:47.079
tee and don't think about it, and they think, well,

789
00:44:47.079 --> 00:44:48.840
I got to keep up with Joe because he's a

790
00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:51.800
good player. You don't. You don't play it from where

791
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.119
you're comfortable, not from where he's comfortable.

792
00:44:54.199 --> 00:44:57.599
Yeah, yeah, I'm sure I'll play with you there, but

793
00:44:58.360 --> 00:45:01.159
I don't have to. I mean, do you really have to?

794
00:45:01.639 --> 00:45:04.000
Are you that good? If you're that good, then you

795
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:07.400
know then and you feel like you it's a discussion

796
00:45:07.400 --> 00:45:10.119
I have it seems like almost every round and they

797
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:12.000
think I'm a whimp. It's like, okay, I'm a whim.

798
00:45:12.119 --> 00:45:12.719
I don't care.

799
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:17.800
Yeah, yeah, that's right, as long as you enjoy the experience.

800
00:45:18.119 --> 00:45:20.480
I mean, when you get right down to it, you've

801
00:45:20.519 --> 00:45:22.960
got to learn to enjoy the experience. You cannot enjoy

802
00:45:23.000 --> 00:45:25.760
the experience when you're thinking about every golf swing and

803
00:45:25.920 --> 00:45:26.760
details of it.

804
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:27.800
You know, and.

805
00:45:28.599 --> 00:45:33.360
Information overload is a great term for today's instruction. It's

806
00:45:33.400 --> 00:45:36.679
all information overload if you simplify. That's why I said

807
00:45:36.679 --> 00:45:40.760
in the beginning my goalhole goal has been year after

808
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:44.280
years to get it simpler, not more difficult. I'm trying

809
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.960
to find ways to get it down to the lowest

810
00:45:46.960 --> 00:45:51.000
common denominator for my students and anybody I talk to,

811
00:45:51.679 --> 00:45:54.360
so that way they can really enjoy the experience if

812
00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.840
it's lowest common denominator and all they need to know

813
00:45:57.480 --> 00:46:00.320
is how to hold that club properly, how to keep

814
00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.760
it balanced as good as possible during the golf swing,

815
00:46:04.239 --> 00:46:06.400
and how to keep their vision on where they're going

816
00:46:06.440 --> 00:46:08.719
and be as efficient toward that target as they can.

817
00:46:09.119 --> 00:46:11.079
Then they're going to enjoy the game and they're not

818
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:12.519
going to have to think very much.

819
00:46:15.519 --> 00:46:18.440
Let's start wrapping this up by talking about your power

820
00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:22.480
field golf DVD, training, grip and booklet. Why should the

821
00:46:22.719 --> 00:46:26.440
golf Smarter community. What's the value for them? What are

822
00:46:26.440 --> 00:46:27.840
they going to learn? What are they going to take

823
00:46:27.840 --> 00:46:30.320
away from Well, I think.

824
00:46:30.119 --> 00:46:32.559
What they're going to learn is simplicity, and they're going

825
00:46:32.639 --> 00:46:35.280
to learn how to see it differently, see the game differently.

826
00:46:36.159 --> 00:46:39.840
They're also going to get to see some really cool

827
00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:42.880
stuff as far as shot making. They're going to get

828
00:46:42.880 --> 00:46:45.320
some good stories about some of the people I learned

829
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.119
from growing up, like the Merit and Burke and Hogan.

830
00:46:49.199 --> 00:46:51.719
They're just going to get a better understanding how to

831
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:55.199
find their best game. And it's not perfect because you

832
00:46:55.239 --> 00:46:57.320
can't put everything in a book in a video. It's

833
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.719
really hard, but it at least sets them on the

834
00:47:00.800 --> 00:47:03.880
right path so that they can start thinking in a

835
00:47:03.920 --> 00:47:07.880
lot simpler fashion rather than being buried with all these

836
00:47:07.920 --> 00:47:13.280
thoughts of is my left elbow straight? Is my wrist

837
00:47:13.960 --> 00:47:19.679
at this position? Is the club head or the club

838
00:47:19.880 --> 00:47:23.199
between my feet and the right spot or my feet right?

839
00:47:23.360 --> 00:47:25.280
You know, all those things that are holding them back.

840
00:47:25.599 --> 00:47:27.719
They can just get rid of those. And what I

841
00:47:27.760 --> 00:47:31.199
tell people is, don't add to what you're doing, take

842
00:47:31.280 --> 00:47:34.440
away from what you're doing, and replace it with something simpler.

843
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:42.559
So who should buy this? Who should have this of course.

844
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:45.280
Literally everybody all the way to Tiger Woods, because Tiger

845
00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:48.599
needs it as much as anybody to the beginning golfer.

846
00:47:48.760 --> 00:47:51.679
Because the more you can simplify, the more you can

847
00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:52.840
enjoy the experience.

848
00:47:53.519 --> 00:47:57.559
That's huge. Just simplify and enjoy.

849
00:47:57.679 --> 00:48:00.280
Yeah, process of elimination rather than a tion.

850
00:48:01.000 --> 00:48:05.239
M interesting. Hey, Eban, it's been great to talk to you,

851
00:48:05.320 --> 00:48:07.400
reconnect with you. It's been a long time. I'm so

852
00:48:07.519 --> 00:48:09.559
glad that you had the time and agreed to come

853
00:48:09.599 --> 00:48:11.440
back on golf Smarter. Thanks so much.

854
00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:15.440
Well. I enjoyed it too. It's always good. I love

855
00:48:15.519 --> 00:48:18.320
talking it because I just want to see people get

856
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:22.360
better and enjoy the game. I don't need to teach them.

857
00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.199
If people want to come see me, great, but that's

858
00:48:25.280 --> 00:48:28.960
not my idea. My idea is to allow them to

859
00:48:29.039 --> 00:48:33.199
go experience it for themselves and self teach. They really

860
00:48:33.239 --> 00:48:35.840
don't need the teachers as much as they think they do.

861
00:48:37.159 --> 00:48:40.159
And it said powerfield golf dot com, right, that's it.

862
00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:42.679
You can tin more about you and if they want

863
00:48:42.679 --> 00:48:45.599
to book some book some lessons with you, talk to

864
00:48:45.639 --> 00:48:47.920
you more. Powerfield golf dot.

865
00:48:47.760 --> 00:48:51.119
Com right, yep ebin at powerfield golf dot com.

866
00:48:51.400 --> 00:48:54.400
That's your email address, that's my email address. Eban is

867
00:48:54.480 --> 00:48:55.800
e b e n.

868
00:48:56.000 --> 00:48:58.480
E b e n. That's correct, all right, buddy.

869
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:00.559
Well, thank you again. Really enjoyed. I continue.

870
00:49:01.599 --> 00:49:03.599
It's been my pleasure and I hope a lot of

871
00:49:03.599 --> 00:49:04.880
people get something good out of this.

872
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M