Sept. 9, 2025

Fitness Myths That Will Surprise Every Golfer! featuring Chris Finn of Par4Success

Fitness Myths That Will Surprise Every Golfer! featuring Chris Finn of Par4Success
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Season 20

GS#1016 September 9, 2025 This week on the Golf Smarter Podcast, Chris Finn returns to delve into the myths surrounding golf fitness. Chris is a Titliest Performance Institute Certified Medical Professional, a Certified Preceision Nutrition Coach and Golf Digest Top 50 Golf Fitness Professional. We explore a recent study on the impact of footwear on golf performance, emphasizing the significance of spikes and proper shoe fit in enhancing club head speed and overall performance. Chris also discusses the evolution of golf shoe design, emphasizing the balance between performance and comfort. He explains how the biomechanics of the foot influence shoe design and performance. The discussion shifts to the importance of the body in golf performance, highlighting how mobility and strength training can optimize a golfer's capabilities. Chris provides insights into how golfers can maintain their performance as they age and offers resources for improving golf fitness and performance. Learn more at par4success.com  and check out Chris' podcast "Golf Fitness Bomb Squad". 

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Hi. This is Brian down in Houston, Texas, and I'll

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play at Melrose Golf Course. This is Golf Smarter, all right.

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This is Craig Marrow from Flower Mound, Texas. I play

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at two or eighteen Dallas. It's a simulation of eighteen

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great American golf holes including Sawgrass seventeen, the Island Green,

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and Amen Corner eleven, twelve, and thirteen. This is Golf

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Smarter Episode ten sixteen, Wow, one thousand and sixteen. Good

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job Bread.

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Just doing those mobility exercises gets rid of a lot

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of pain for them. They immediately will start to like, oh,

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I'm turning more, I'm not sore after I play the

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round of golf. Particularly like guys who are good players

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when they were younger. They understand the movement they're supposed

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to do mentally, but physically they can't do it. You

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give that guy mobility and his hip back, and his

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buddies are like, oh my god, what'd you do not

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to mention his balls going farther than their's. Now that's

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literally just level one. Then you move up. Level two

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is how do we get you stronger, whether it's squat

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type movements or hinge type movements which are like a kettlebelt,

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deadlifts or bandeded lifts. How do we get your hips stronger?

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Bridges would be the simplest example of that. How do

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we strengthen basically like the backside of your legs, your button,

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your ham strings. Those are your two lower body and

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then you're also working getting stronger in your upper body,

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whether it's with dumbells or barbell or cables, whatever it

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may be. Those are the big ones that we really

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want to see get stronger with. And then you get

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to power. Power is how quickly can I get it

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from the bottom to the top. So if you can

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move fifty pounds but it takes you a minute, that

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is less powerful than if you can move fifty pounds

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the same distance in one second. That's where the explosiveness

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comes from. And so those are kind of the big

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three categories. So during that fifteen minutes a day, because

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you're assessing, you know exactly it is what you get

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rid of all the extra noise and you're solely focusing

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on what is the low hanging fruit for you at

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that moment.

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Fitness myths that will surprise every level of golfer With

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Chris Finn of power for success. This is Golf Smarter,

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sharing stories, tips and insights from great golf minds to

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help you lower your score and raise your golf IQ.

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Here's your host, Fred Green. Welcome back to the Golf

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Smarter podcast. Chris.

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It's a pleasure to be here, Fred. I'm excited.

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Uh, you know, you've been on a bunch of times

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and we've done this for years now, but now you're

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a podcaster.

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Well, you know, I was inspired there. There has been inspiration.

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It took me a lot of a lot of years

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to get up the gusto to uh, to have the

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you know, the courage to start my own thing. But yeah,

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I think I'm not gonna lie. I've I've learned a lot.

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I've been on a number of podcasts and it is interesting,

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you know, podcaster to podcasters, you go on different shows

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and there's different levels of preparation that people do. There's

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different levels of quality that people have. You know, some

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people are in a room with like dogs going off

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and ye other people are recording. It's finny you see

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the different soft where people use this to make sure

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that you don't catch any lag or anything. And you're

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definitely I mean you're over a thousand episodes at this point,

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I believe. So, uh, you've done this a few times,

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not your first rodeo, and uh, you definitely were one

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of the first ones that I was around. I was like, oh,

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that's how the professionals.

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Do it, smoking mirrors, my friend smoking mirrors.

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you know, the golf Inness Bomb Squad is one that

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we're uh or I think we're only like eight hundred

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episodes or plus behind you. So, but it's been fun

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because it's uh, you know we have we do on Wednesdays,

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we typically will have a guest, so we'll have somebody

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on that we were kind of talk shop and whether

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it's in the instructional world or the fitness world or

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whatever it may be. So that's kind of fun because

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it's an interview. And then on the second one we

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do we do I do two every week. We do

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whether it's something cool that I saw on a client

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or a question that somebody's had. So it's cool. It

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has a little bit of variance for me. And then

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it also gives me a platform that if I want

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to go off on a you know, on a soapbox,

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you know, I talked to a computer for twenty minutes

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and then see what people think.

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So yeah, I you know, I've never other than that

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one episode, after my little bonus episode after the Masters,

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I've never been able to just sit down and talk

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for twenty minutes like that on this show, mainly because

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I have too many questions and I want to get

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experts on like yourself, who can just do the talking

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for me and I can just ask ask a lot

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more and do follow ups. When you keep saying we

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do this show, it's not just you, it is me.

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That's just my vernacular. Anything at parpass, I say, we.

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As a group produce a podcast.

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Correct. I I'm just the talking head. I go on

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and talk and then you know, our team does the voice.

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I don't. I don't know how to how to edit

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or like that's I have a great team and they

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helped me do all that. And I will say.

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Really smart, I really smart, because a lot of people

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disappear when they have to start doing all the ends.

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I don't like.

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I saw what it was early and I was like, ah,

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I have my I have my circle of competence. This

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is not it and I am not doing this. This

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will not go well. But I also I have such

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a newfound respect for the interviewer. It's it's funny. And

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now when I go on as like like in this scenario,

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it's like, oh, this will be fun. Just get to

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talk and hang out and you know, when you're the

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interview work like the research you got to do. And

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because that was some of the things I noticed going

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on other podcasts was how much of a better experience

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it was when the person that was interviewing you had

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done research or you know, I had a guy we

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record an episode earlier today and being able to hey, man,

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I saw that you had this great tweet that you

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had and it was you know, and being to set

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them up to then kind of dive into there and

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just it just the conversation and goes so much better there.

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It's such a skill set that I had no idea

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about until Yeah, go on a show with you and

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it's like, oh, he actually like looked at what I do.

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Like that makes my job as the interviewee much easier.

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Absolutely. And I you know, I tell people a lot.

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I'm like, listen, this is your soapbox. I'm not here

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to do a gotcha. This is not sixty minutes, right,

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I just want to have you, you know, sell your wares,

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showcase your expertise, and I'll just keep listening. And I

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know my wife, you know, she wrote a book and

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it was published in twenty twenty three, and she's been

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on a lot of podcasts. And actually I learned how

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to do interviews by being her recording engineer because she

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was a talk show host. So that's how I learned

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how to do this and kind of develop my own

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skills over these twenty years of doing this. But she

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will be on pot Guess a lot where they do

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pre interviews. I'm like, what's that. You know, It's like,

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why are you wasting people's time by doing pre interviews.

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I don't know if you do that or not, but

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for me, it's like, let's chat for three or four

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minutes before we start recording and then let it rip.

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Well, I find that's some of the best content too.

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It's when it's just kind of off the cuff, and

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you find I always find it's issuing, and I'm obviously

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there's a lot of the we have a lot of

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like the top teachers on and I always joked to

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our listeners, I'm like, you guys all know this. This

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is totally selfish on my part. I'm a golf junkie,

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and every question I ask is probably at least in

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part for me. But but you know, when you have

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those discussions, yeah, I mean, you have these discussions there

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and then there's this like aha moment. I've never once

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had a moment where I was like, oh man, I

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wish we weren't recording. I've had tons of moments where

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I was like, oh, I should hit records sooner.

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Absolutely absolutely. But when you have as much which recording

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experiences I do have been doing this for my pretty

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much my whole life, you have also the horror stories

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of it wasn't recording, Oh my god. Or the one

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time when I was interviewing Carlton Fisk at spring training

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during baseball spring training and we did this great interview

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and I sat on the mic court and it unplugged.

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The thing was just twenty minutes of air.

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Oh gosh, my, so my horror story. There's been two.

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I had. One one was the hard part I've had,

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the only one. The bad one I've had is like

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we had a thunderstorm going on here in North Carolina

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while we were recording, and like the internet was super

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in and out, and then you're trying to have an

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interview with someone and there's lag and it's it's just

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it was awful. And it was I think it was

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Michael Breed, like it was like a big name, and

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it was like, oh my gosh, this is so embarrassing.

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I like can't really hear or interact. So that that

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was That was a bad one. The although I will

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say the worst one I require will record in the

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single the solo episodes Ideal record in batches, and I

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recorded four, so they're like twenty minute. I mean, it's

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hour and a half and I'm just kind of go, go, go,

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go go.

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That's exhausting.

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I made the mistake of not checking that the it

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had selected the right mic. It had somehow like auto

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selected to a different mic, and so then I I so,

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you know, I finish, and I get a text from

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the guy does the podcast. He goes, hey, man, did

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you have your audio on? And I go no, I

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had to go back and do four podcasts. I just

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talked for an hour and a half to myself and

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did it unscripted and did not record a single word.

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Fred It was I was like, oh, I wanted to

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run through a window.

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I was like, this is all just like, Okay, my

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career as a podcaster is complete.

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It was like, hey, guys, I think we're maybe just

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do one episode a week. We don't need these anyway.

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Oh my gosh. Oh. The thing that I've learned that

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I think has helped me through with the podcast is

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as long as you're a good listener, right when you're

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interviewing somebody, and if you have a list of questions

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that you feel like you have to get to, you're

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going to miss all this great stuff because they're going

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to be saying something and you just can just wait

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for them to finish and then say keep going. You know, yeah,

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what does that mean? Can you explain that to me?

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And I found that's always worked really well for me.

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And talk about being self serving. I started this podcast

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to get free golf lessons, right, just like I'll just

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interview experts and see what happens that's worked.

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I think some of my favorites have been, you know,

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particularly the to your point. I'll have a number of

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top one hundred instructors on and I've kind of have

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my bullet points of things that I want to talk

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about based on what their YouTube videos or topics or

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philosophies have been around. But inevitably I get to I

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asked the first question. I think we had a like

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Adam Young came on, a great instructor out of Las Vegas,

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does a lot of online stuff, and started ham on.

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I had like a hole list of I mean, fred

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I asked them the first question, and I just realized

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just going into the weeds. And he's pulling up videos

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on his computer and sharing his screen and we're talking

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through different Oh yeah, this is what I see physically,

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this is what he sees instructionally, and I think it

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just to your point, I think when you can go

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those directions, that to me is one of my favorite

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things about doing the podcast. Is I inevitably in every

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guest I have on, I learn, whether it's from a

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fitness person, whether it's from a medical person or a

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you know, instructor, or whatever, whoever it may be. It's

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there's there's always a learning, and that's I never will

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get off a podcast like, oh man, all right, that

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was a waste of time. Uh actually has a lie

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that happened once but more than once more and then

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we had to work on our screening process and who

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we let on the podcast. But uh, that was an awkward email.

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Hey man, we lost your we lost the episode recording. Uh,

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we we're not going to do it turned into like

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a like a whole sales pitches, like there was no

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value add content at all.

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Well, let me just let me just say to you

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that there have been episodes that I've finished going, Okay,

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that was really a waste of my time, that that

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was useless information. I didn't get anything from that, And

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I'll publish it and get emails going. That was one

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of the best episodes you've ever done. Yeah, that was

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so so just don't beat yourself up. Just get the

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content out there.

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Yeah, no, it's a it's it's been a fun learning

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experience where expert two years, two years in, we're in

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the we're getting close to two hundred. It's just been

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it's been fun. It's and I love I love also

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having you know, you've had me on a couple of times.

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You've been generous to do that, and I always find

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it's fun having people back on and then you know, hey,

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last time we talked, this is where you were at.

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Where are you at now? And yeah, it's been fun

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to do that. And I will say my interviewing has

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definitely I listened to the first couple episodes, I was like,

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oh gosh, that was terrible. And then I'm sure I'll

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say the same thing. And you know, a year from now,

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i'll listen to what I'm doing now I'm like, god,

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you were terrible, Chris. But that's how we get better.

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And that's the fun part of it, right.

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Okay, I just got to tap on the shoulder talk

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about golf man? What are you doing? Okay, I'm sorry,

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it's like, don't are about your podcast? Enough? All right,

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Well you should just check it out though it's called

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The Golf Fitness Bomb Squad. And enough of that. Let's

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talk about us. Let's talk about let's get some golf

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stuff going on here. You guys have done some research

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recently about golf fitness, and that's what we're here to

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talk about today. And they're apparently we as golfers living

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in a series of myths about what is relevant and

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what is important as far as golf fitness. What have

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you learned? I am so interested in hearing about this.

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that we found recently Fred was and actually it was

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it was just like on a whim this one. It

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was pretty funny. We had a person, a client, who

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had flown in we do. We do weekend events now

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in addition to the regular training we do, and so

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they had flown in and they brought their golf sheep

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and you know, they were like, hey, I brought my

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golf shoes. I didn't want to wear spikes like the

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ones that I normally play with, so I just brought

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these like comfortable ones. Then he's I don't know why

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it stuck out to me. He said, you know, it

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doesn't matter anyway, It's just whatever whatever's on my feet.

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I thought myself, I feel like it does matter because

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I feel like i've looked at this before, and so

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you know, we went through the weekend. It was fine,

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and then so you know, the next week I came

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in and I said to my team, I said, guys,

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I want to do an experiment. And they're like, sure,

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Chris has another great idea, right, So usually they're all stale,

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they're all stupid and don't mean turned into anything I was.

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I was like, what I want to do is I

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want to I want to go on the because we

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have two sets of force plates and our simulators here,

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it's like I want I'm curious based on what's like

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my if I'm on a stable or unstable surface, just

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how much of a difference does it make in terms

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of how much force I can produce. So I said, well,

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we're gonna do We're gonna take these. You know, if

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you guys have if you've seen like a blue eric pad,

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and there's like these big blue phone pads that you'll

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see at the gym about you know, maybe two inches

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thick and they're just foam. You'll see them a lot

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in like rehab centers for balance and those sorts of things.

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So we take two of them, we put them on

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the forest plates and I do. So one of the

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big predictors of club at speed is your vertical leap,

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a jump. Right, So if you're standing, you kind of

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dip down and jump as high as you can. So

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I put those the pads down and I we turn

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on this the force plates, I do the jump, and

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the way you measure is you can measure how much

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force is put out, right, So there's about nine hundred

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to just it's about nine hundred watts of forces put out.

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So then you're like, all right, and now get rid

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of the phone and let's do it again. And so

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we throw it on and I do the same jump,

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same nothing different, and it doubles the amount of force

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that puts that's put out.

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Well, okay, I mean, if you're on a two inch

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Poham pad, going to lose a lot of your power,

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aren't you, because you're not really pushing off the ground.

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Correct, Well, so you're pushing off an unstable surface. So

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the analogy I would use is think of if you

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could push one hundred pounds of force into the ground, right,

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and but now you have to take you know, energy,

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the equivalent to maybe twenty pounds of that to make

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sure you don't fall over to balance. Now you can

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only push eighty pounds in right, so you'll have less

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energy to produce the force because you're using a lot

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of your energy to balance. And you know, rule one

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of the body is don't let Chris or Fred fall over, right,

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stay up right?

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Yeah, so's and for me it's you know, as I

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get older.

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It becomes more important, exactly right, So you know, and

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so so we do that, and you know, we're like, Okay,

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that's cool. But if we're filming this whole thing, we

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have a YouTube video that we're eventually going to put

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out at some point. But you know, I'm like, all right,

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that's cool. But who cares, right, because you know the

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golfer I had, you know, there's members in here all

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the time, and I'm like, guys, this is amazing. You

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see this, And the average golfer looks me, They're like, yeah.

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Right, let me ask you this. Did you do this in?

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What were the shoes that you were wearing, just wearing

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golf shoes, were wearing.

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Just regular kind of comfortable sneakers. Right, So basically, what

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I think of the Eric's pad is like an exaggeration

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of an unstable surface versus a stable surface. So if

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we're talking, if we tie this circles back to golf shoes,

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a comfortable golf shoe like kind of casual, no spikes,

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maybe just a couple of little nubs on the bottom,

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versus you know, your traditional kind of hard, hard, basic.

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Spike less shoes have been all the rage over the

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last you know, fifteen years or so.

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Correct, Yeah, and so, and if you look at the

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tour the tour players, over eighty percent of them wear spikes,

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but I look at the amateurs, it's basically flips or

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almost eighty percent of them don't wear spikes, right, So,

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so basically what that is is that's an exaggeration of Hey,

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if I'm on a non spikeless shoe and an eRx

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pad versus a spiked shoe, which I'm jumping on the

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ground because there's there's my balance is going to be

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connected there. So so then we're all right, let's swing

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a golf club and see if this actually means anything.

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So bring the golf pads, you know, put them back,

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or the eRx pads we put them on the force plates.

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Swing club ed speed it's like one O seven, one

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O seven, one o eight. Right, take get rid of

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the force this the phone pads. Guess what the club

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ed speed was greater significantly one six It was like

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one it was almost one sixteen.

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Wow, so that is significant.

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That's almost it's over twenty yards almost. We're getting towards

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thirty yards. So that's obviously an exaggeration, right because you're

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sitting on a two inch pad. So then if you

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if you you know, bringing this truly like a golf

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shoe differential what we've then because then we start testing

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the actual shoes because now I'm like, okay, now I'm

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very curious when you actually test a golf shoe. It

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can be up to up to ten yards three miles

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an hour difference if the shoe does not match your

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foot and if if you have not like a spike

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versus no spike. So there's two elements. There's an external

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element and an internal element. So I think of the

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external is spike or no spike, right, so that's going

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to connect you to the ground. On the external side.

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The other element is you know.

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Some people spikes, the spikes will connect you to the.

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Ground, correct, yep. So having a spike will connect you

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to the ground. That will increase the amount of ground

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force you can create, which then obviously increases club at speed.

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Wow.

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So that's that alone is like three miles an hour.

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Then if you go and you look at the actual

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type of shoe on the inside, based on your foot.

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So if you have a flat foot, that's what's technically

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what's called a hypermobile, So it's basically you don't have

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an arch, so it just collapses. If you get into

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a shoe that's going to give you a little bit

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more support, give you a little bit more of an arch.

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It actually gives you better connection to the ground that

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can increase so that can that will increase the amount

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of force you can produce even more so for more

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speed Versus if you have a very high arch that's

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called our rigid foot doesn't collapse at all. Getting a

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shoe that actually promotes a little bit more mobility to

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promote a little bit more connection to the ground will

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also increase your club speed because it increases the amount

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of connection you have, which increases the amount of force

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that you can produce. So there's an internal element and

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an external element to the shoe. We're not even talking

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about the fitness element that then adds on top of that.

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This is like just simply you know, people talk about

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the ball roll back and the impact. Literally just getting

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the right shoe totally erases any ball roll back, like

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it's ten yards immediately right there. And I think it's

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such an overlooked element when we're talking about performance or

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fitness for golfers. What is the footworth that they are

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or are not wearing. So it was just a fun

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study that we did and it was like the one

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out of one hundred where I was like, ah, that

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actually showed something. It exaggerated it. And then when we

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tested it in an actual golf shoe with spikes versus

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not with spikes, it actually carried over as well too.

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So for the average golfer. How do I translate that information?

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So, for the average golfer, wearing spikes will increase your

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club as speed, or I should say this, wearing spikes

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will increase the amount of force you can produce into

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the ground. So if you produce the force at the

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wrong time, you may not see an increasing club as speed.

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So meaning if we think of a professional golfer swinging

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a golf club, they are going to produce the max

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amount of force. Think of like a vertical like drive

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into their lead leg from the top of the swing

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until left arm lead arm is parallel to the ground

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on their downswing. Right an amateur golfer is going to

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typically produce all that force too late, so add impact

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or after impact. And when we look at ground forces,

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the amount of vertical force you can produce into the ground,

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amount you can push into the ground if you're gonna jump,

461
00:23:01.319 --> 00:23:04.799
particularly into your lead leg, the amount that you can produce,

462
00:23:05.200 --> 00:23:08.079
and assuming you do that at the right time, has

463
00:23:08.119 --> 00:23:11.400
a direct connection to drive. It causes kliphet speed to

464
00:23:11.440 --> 00:23:15.240
go up. So having the better connection through footwear is

465
00:23:15.279 --> 00:23:17.319
going to give you the opportunity to produce more force.

466
00:23:17.440 --> 00:23:19.480
There obviously is the caveat You got to produce it

467
00:23:19.519 --> 00:23:23.359
at the right time. There's a skill element there. But

468
00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.400
the other piece physically in terms of what that means

469
00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.160
for you, just the golfer listening right now, if you

470
00:23:29.240 --> 00:23:31.799
go out and buy say you're wearing a casual shoe

471
00:23:31.880 --> 00:23:33.079
right now, and you go out and you're like, all right,

472
00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.480
I listened to this guy. He said to go get

473
00:23:35.839 --> 00:23:38.000
shoes that connect me to the ground. With spikes in them.

474
00:23:38.359 --> 00:23:41.519
If you go buy spiked shoes but you don't have

475
00:23:41.599 --> 00:23:47.640
the hip mobility to actually clear into your lead hip right, well,

476
00:23:47.680 --> 00:23:50.720
now you're just gonna wreck. You're gonna like wrench up

477
00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.839
your knee or your back because your foot is now

478
00:23:52.880 --> 00:23:57.440
planted and your hip doesn't move. So and typically what

479
00:23:57.519 --> 00:23:59.240
you'll see in these guys this you know, if this

480
00:23:59.319 --> 00:24:02.160
is you, if this describes you listening right now, what

481
00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:04.920
you're seeing in your spikeliss shoe is as you swing

482
00:24:04.960 --> 00:24:09.839
through through impact, your lead foot will spin out right.

483
00:24:09.880 --> 00:24:12.680
It basically releases to really because your hip isn't giving

484
00:24:12.720 --> 00:24:14.759
you anything, so it's going to release from there because

485
00:24:14.799 --> 00:24:18.200
your knee joint is not a rotary joint. So it's

486
00:24:18.279 --> 00:24:21.759
in a very interesting discussion because I think it's irrelevant

487
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:23.480
for a lot of things. When it comes to speed

488
00:24:23.480 --> 00:24:26.519
and performance as a golfer, we want the quick fix,

489
00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:29.039
So we're going to go do the speed training. We're

490
00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:30.599
going to go buy the speed training thing. We're going

491
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:33.319
to go buy the new driver. Don't just you know,

492
00:24:33.480 --> 00:24:35.400
I'm gonna go buy the new shoe that's going to

493
00:24:35.440 --> 00:24:38.119
connect me to the ground quicker. But if you don't

494
00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:41.319
have the physical capabilities to stay safe while adding the

495
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:44.200
speed that can lead to injury. And I think that's

496
00:24:44.200 --> 00:24:47.480
always the caveat that I'm always preaching about, is adding

497
00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:49.799
speed is easy. Right if you're solely said, I don't

498
00:24:49.799 --> 00:24:52.240
care about getting hurt, I just want to swing faster. Great,

499
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:56.039
do speed training, get a really long club forty eight

500
00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:59.680
inch shaft, and get your foot connected to the ground.

501
00:25:00.160 --> 00:25:05.400
But if you don't have the physical prerequisites basically to

502
00:25:06.240 --> 00:25:09.359
allow that to be done safely, then you do potentially

503
00:25:09.359 --> 00:25:10.680
bring an injury risk. For sure.

504
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:21.880
Is this information scientific or anecdotal? I mean, you did

505
00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:26.359
your test, but it's you, it's you know, one test.

506
00:25:26.680 --> 00:25:29.000
Yeah, so yes, it's scientific. So I'm not the only

507
00:25:29.039 --> 00:25:30.599
one who's done it. So there was actually a lot

508
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.960
of research back. This is probably five to ten years ago,

509
00:25:35.039 --> 00:25:37.960
done by foot Joy, foot Joy and body tracks. This

510
00:25:38.000 --> 00:25:40.680
is before force plates were really widely available. It was

511
00:25:40.720 --> 00:25:43.319
a it was called a pressure plate, so they were

512
00:25:43.319 --> 00:25:47.319
trying to improve pressure ratings. I know Squares Golf Shoes

513
00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:51.160
has done a ton of research on this, so it's

514
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:55.839
it's not unique to me. This is a brand agnostic

515
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:58.160
kind of science. Nerd just looking at how can I

516
00:25:58.160 --> 00:26:00.119
help somebody increase club at speed. What are all the

517
00:26:00.160 --> 00:26:04.200
different levers I can pull for somebody? And so it

518
00:26:04.240 --> 00:26:06.200
is you know, and then we've have sense run this

519
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:10.119
obviously internally with all of the different golfers that come

520
00:26:10.160 --> 00:26:12.160
in and hey, what's your clubhead speed?

521
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:12.599
You?

522
00:26:12.720 --> 00:26:15.359
If you have good hip mobility, you pass your four

523
00:26:15.440 --> 00:26:18.599
rotational mobility centers which we've talked about on the show before,

524
00:26:18.640 --> 00:26:20.839
and we have the home assessment that people do and hey,

525
00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:23.599
you pass that, this is an option for you. We

526
00:26:23.640 --> 00:26:25.519
can get you in a better shoe and this is

527
00:26:25.559 --> 00:26:29.920
a like quick immediate clubhead speed boost and if you

528
00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:32.119
have good mobility, we were able to do that safely.

529
00:26:33.319 --> 00:26:38.720
So I think the the one caveat it will increase

530
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:41.079
your force production. Now if you do it at the

531
00:26:41.160 --> 00:26:44.960
right time, Yeah, it depends on the person, right and

532
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.480
then then that's another discussion of training and those sorts

533
00:26:47.519 --> 00:26:51.000
of things. But yeah, if you improve your connection to

534
00:26:51.000 --> 00:26:53.480
the ground, you will increase the amount of produce a

535
00:26:53.559 --> 00:26:56.640
force you can produce that as a kind of causational

536
00:26:56.880 --> 00:26:58.960
In terms of scientific I've.

537
00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:04.440
Had multiple guests on who are shoe manufacturers and inventors,

538
00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:10.079
including Robert from Squares. He was I think this was

539
00:27:10.119 --> 00:27:12.000
like the first podcast that he was on, so I've

540
00:27:12.000 --> 00:27:14.160
been with him since the beginning, and I've always been fascinated.

541
00:27:14.160 --> 00:27:17.519
And I don't remember who exactly told me, but I

542
00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:20.200
think it was Squares. It said, if you can twist

543
00:27:20.279 --> 00:27:24.319
your shoe in your hand, that's a bad golf shoe.

544
00:27:24.440 --> 00:27:28.920
You need a very sturdy golf shoe. From the fitness

545
00:27:29.039 --> 00:27:32.920
side of that, Does that hold up? Do you agree

546
00:27:32.960 --> 00:27:33.160
with that?

547
00:27:34.279 --> 00:27:37.039
Yeah? I think everything is on a continuum, right, So

548
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:40.359
I think if you had at its core, yes, that

549
00:27:40.519 --> 00:27:43.920
is accurate. I think there's varying levels of that based

550
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:46.480
on what the foot is, right, And that's where there's

551
00:27:46.480 --> 00:27:49.160
different styles of shoes, right. There's going to be some

552
00:27:49.200 --> 00:27:51.640
that are more rigid, there'll be some that are have

553
00:27:51.720 --> 00:27:55.559
a little bit more flexibility. But yeah, if you can

554
00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:59.079
rotate it back and back and forth, and the ultimate

555
00:27:59.240 --> 00:28:02.480
goal of that shoe is to produce as much is

556
00:28:02.519 --> 00:28:05.559
a performance driving shoe, to produce as much force as possible,

557
00:28:05.599 --> 00:28:08.880
which then drives as much speed as possible. One hundred

558
00:28:08.880 --> 00:28:11.759
percent yes, right, And I think that's always the challenge

559
00:28:11.799 --> 00:28:15.079
with that shoe companies will have is they have to

560
00:28:15.119 --> 00:28:20.759
balance that scientific fact with comfort, right, which is why

561
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:24.720
the spikeless just kind of I want to wear it

562
00:28:24.759 --> 00:28:30.200
to the grocery store. Shoe has been become so popular, right,

563
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.799
and so you know, in a perfect world, yeah, that's

564
00:28:34.799 --> 00:28:37.839
what every shoe would look like. But people want to

565
00:28:38.160 --> 00:28:40.240
they want to look stylish, they want it to be comfortable.

566
00:28:40.559 --> 00:28:46.039
The amateur will generally prioritize comfort and look over the

567
00:28:46.079 --> 00:28:49.559
performance side, but they'll go up by the new driver,

568
00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:51.559
you know, every year, right, because they're going to gain

569
00:28:51.599 --> 00:28:52.839
twenty yards every single year.

570
00:28:53.559 --> 00:28:55.960
And we know that's not true unless you work on

571
00:28:56.000 --> 00:29:04.480
your speed. So do this. And if you don't know

572
00:29:04.519 --> 00:29:08.000
this answered, that's okay. But it's like, does the squares

573
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:14.039
shoe that squared off toe and the rigid bottom is

574
00:29:14.079 --> 00:29:16.559
in fact? Is that a better shoe? I mean you

575
00:29:16.680 --> 00:29:19.519
got guys like Nick Faldo and John Daley saying, oh yeah,

576
00:29:19.559 --> 00:29:23.519
I swear by these. Is that a better golf shoe?

577
00:29:23.559 --> 00:29:27.039
I mean, I think the toe box design that they've done. Now,

578
00:29:27.119 --> 00:29:31.000
I haven't actually researched these at this point, I had them.

579
00:29:31.160 --> 00:29:33.160
We actually are doing some stuff where they actually are

580
00:29:33.200 --> 00:29:35.039
sending us some to do some research on them, which

581
00:29:35.039 --> 00:29:37.599
I think is really cool. Yeah, we're going to actually

582
00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:40.440
we're running a study with a number of our different

583
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:44.839
of our clients trying different shoes and seeing so you know,

584
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.759
I could speak intelligently at that point. What I will say,

585
00:29:47.839 --> 00:29:50.039
just based on the biomechanics of the foot and the

586
00:29:50.039 --> 00:29:53.039
footwear and that toe box, it makes sense, like it

587
00:29:53.920 --> 00:29:56.839
does when you look at the studies that they've had done.

588
00:29:57.799 --> 00:30:05.480
It makes sense. You know. I think everything that Squares

589
00:30:05.519 --> 00:30:08.839
as a company seems to go after his performance based right,

590
00:30:09.279 --> 00:30:16.000
and so from that approach, it's right, you know, from

591
00:30:16.039 --> 00:30:18.480
a style, you know, those are all other discussions of

592
00:30:19.160 --> 00:30:21.440
I think, if we're strictly talking it, how do I

593
00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.160
get the most out of a shoe as defined by

594
00:30:25.359 --> 00:30:27.920
you know comfort? You know, the wider toe box is

595
00:30:27.920 --> 00:30:29.839
going to give you more what I was talking about, Like,

596
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:32.440
if you have a rigid foot, you want a footwear

597
00:30:32.480 --> 00:30:34.000
that's going to try to get more connection to the

598
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:36.160
ground so you have the ability to put more force.

599
00:30:36.559 --> 00:30:38.119
The wider toe box is going to allow you to

600
00:30:38.119 --> 00:30:41.720
do that versus you have a really narrow shoe. The

601
00:30:41.920 --> 00:30:44.000
extreme would be think of like a woman in a

602
00:30:44.079 --> 00:30:47.559
high heel, like with a like super tight and like

603
00:30:48.319 --> 00:30:50.680
a high heel that they'd a stiletto that they would

604
00:30:50.720 --> 00:30:52.960
wear to like a wedding, Like not a lot of

605
00:30:52.960 --> 00:30:55.759
ground force going to come off of that toe box right,

606
00:30:55.839 --> 00:30:57.640
like right that they're ripping their shoes off because their

607
00:30:57.680 --> 00:31:00.920
feet are bruised and bloody at the end too, exactly

608
00:31:01.000 --> 00:31:03.279
right when they're dancing starts, right, So that'd be one extreme.

609
00:31:03.279 --> 00:31:05.160
You go the total opposite extreme, and that's where you

610
00:31:05.200 --> 00:31:08.519
have the rigid kind of support. You have the wider

611
00:31:08.559 --> 00:31:11.480
toe box so that you can actually drive from the

612
00:31:11.519 --> 00:31:13.759
first methead all the way to the fifth met head,

613
00:31:13.839 --> 00:31:16.720
you know, under the big toe to under the little toe.

614
00:31:17.519 --> 00:31:19.960
So all of that is one hundred percent on point.

615
00:31:20.720 --> 00:31:23.880
Yeah, And the thing is for me and I really

616
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.640
like the square shoes. I've liked them a lot in

617
00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:32.000
the past, but since I walk the course a lot,

618
00:31:32.319 --> 00:31:35.920
most of the time, my feet hurt, my ankle's hurt

619
00:31:36.279 --> 00:31:40.799
wearing those and walking in those, and I've really had

620
00:31:40.839 --> 00:31:46.119
to adjust my shoe wear and decide where I go

621
00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:50.680
because you know, in northern California, we have very hilly courses.

622
00:31:50.759 --> 00:31:56.319
There's a lot of elevation change, and so some shoes

623
00:31:56.519 --> 00:32:00.559
just hurt at the end of the round, not just

624
00:32:00.640 --> 00:32:02.359
my feet and my legs, but my back.

625
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:05.400
Yeah. And I think this is this is getting into

626
00:32:05.440 --> 00:32:09.720
my geekiness of researching shoes. And I know, I know weight,

627
00:32:09.839 --> 00:32:12.599
like the weights of different shoes and stuff like. I

628
00:32:12.640 --> 00:32:17.039
think if you're looking at across the shoe spectrum, you know,

629
00:32:17.079 --> 00:32:20.720
if we're talking on the square specifically, like when they

630
00:32:20.759 --> 00:32:22.640
came out, if you look at it was a couple

631
00:32:22.640 --> 00:32:25.319
at least one hundred grams heavier their earlier shoes than

632
00:32:25.400 --> 00:32:27.799
their their later shoes, right, And so I think that's

633
00:32:27.839 --> 00:32:31.119
been the balance talking about the continuum of if you

634
00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:33.599
go straight up performance, it's going to be a heavier

635
00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:36.240
shoe because you have to put materials in there that

636
00:32:36.279 --> 00:32:40.559
are going to give you something to push against, you know.

637
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.559
So I think what you've started to see, particularly as

638
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:46.079
you go through the technology and the innovation of materials

639
00:32:46.119 --> 00:32:47.599
and all those sorts of things, I think you're going

640
00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:50.119
to continue to see shoes that are going to drop

641
00:32:50.240 --> 00:32:53.960
on the weight side and while being able to maintain

642
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:57.160
that on the stability side. And I think that in

643
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.640
my opinion, on the shoe side of things, that's where

644
00:33:00.640 --> 00:33:04.000
it's going to continue to go. And looking at how

645
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:06.400
can we get this shoe as light as possible, with

646
00:33:06.519 --> 00:33:09.720
as much connection as possible, with as much support as possible,

647
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:14.000
and and be weatherproof right and look cool and feel

648
00:33:14.039 --> 00:33:17.759
comfortable right like all those other all those things. So,

649
00:33:17.799 --> 00:33:20.480
but that's I think one of the things just looking

650
00:33:20.519 --> 00:33:23.160
at if we take Squares as the ultimate kind of

651
00:33:23.279 --> 00:33:27.039
performance focused shoe, it was heavy, you know when it

652
00:33:27.039 --> 00:33:29.559
first came out, and if you now look at it,

653
00:33:29.799 --> 00:33:32.839
you know, there's there's foot joy shoes that are lighter.

654
00:33:32.880 --> 00:33:35.599
There's also some that are heavier. Like there's there's other

655
00:33:35.720 --> 00:33:38.160
brands out there that now you know, the Square shoes

656
00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:41.240
are not the heaviest. Uh. And I think you're going

657
00:33:41.279 --> 00:33:44.319
to continue to see that across the shoe spectrum, across

658
00:33:44.319 --> 00:33:45.079
all those companies.

659
00:33:45.640 --> 00:33:49.920
Yeah. Are you familiar with the Afalon's affalons.

660
00:33:49.839 --> 00:33:53.079
I've heard of that. I have not like dove into

661
00:33:53.079 --> 00:33:53.519
those at all.

662
00:33:53.680 --> 00:33:56.319
Were those We did an episode with him, and I

663
00:33:56.759 --> 00:33:59.839
like those a lot. They the bottom of him had

664
00:33:59.880 --> 00:34:03.319
like I can't explain it and I'm just moving my

665
00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:06.279
hand and the listeners have no idea what I'm talking about. Okay,

666
00:34:06.680 --> 00:34:10.920
But the Aline and Sketchers got into the game as well,

667
00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.159
and I'm a huge fan of Sketcher shoes, although I've

668
00:34:14.840 --> 00:34:17.199
the I do have a pair of Sketchers for my

669
00:34:17.280 --> 00:34:21.719
winter shoes, but I've never gotten the more recent ones.

670
00:34:22.800 --> 00:34:24.960
Are they in it for the style of it and

671
00:34:25.360 --> 00:34:28.519
just be able to get old guys to be their

672
00:34:28.559 --> 00:34:33.000
test do their testimonials, you know, Ringo Star and Tony

673
00:34:33.079 --> 00:34:33.880
Romo And you.

674
00:34:33.800 --> 00:34:37.920
Know, I have no idea in that one. Yeah, I

675
00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.519
think I just always try in the fitness space, in

676
00:34:40.559 --> 00:34:43.559
the rehab space that's obviously where I live. I just

677
00:34:43.559 --> 00:34:45.760
always try to boil it down to kind of first

678
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.960
principle thinking, right, and if I'm talking about performance, what

679
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:52.840
are the first principles of a footwear ground for ground

680
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:55.559
reaction forces and connection to the ground. And that's ay,

681
00:34:55.559 --> 00:34:57.400
it needs to be connected, it needs to be stable.

682
00:34:57.519 --> 00:35:00.960
You need to have you know, basic physics. Force pushed

683
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.119
down against, We'll get a reciprocal force back up. Right,

684
00:35:04.159 --> 00:35:05.840
So if I can put if I have more to

685
00:35:05.840 --> 00:35:08.440
put something against, I'll get more back up. That's why

686
00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.199
if you go out and it's just pouring, just poured rain,

687
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.360
playing it's wet and soggy, you're not going to hit

688
00:35:15.360 --> 00:35:16.840
it as far. You're not going to swing as fast

689
00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:20.119
because you don't have the ground connection. And then and

690
00:35:20.159 --> 00:35:21.760
then yeah, because you think about.

691
00:35:21.519 --> 00:35:24.119
It, and I always blamed it the balls not rolling.

692
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.119
Well there's that too. It's also going to stop and

693
00:35:26.159 --> 00:35:29.599
not go anywhere. But think think of the erxpad experiment

694
00:35:29.639 --> 00:35:32.119
that I just talked about, you know, to a lesser degree.

695
00:35:32.159 --> 00:35:35.440
If it's super soggy, you're basically hitting off eRx pads right,

696
00:35:35.519 --> 00:35:38.199
your feet are slipping a little bit, it's a little mushy,

697
00:35:38.639 --> 00:35:40.719
you know. Versus if it's hard and firm, you're gonna

698
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:42.480
be able to really dive in, you drive in, and

699
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:44.320
it's going to se your foot's going to stay connected.

700
00:35:44.400 --> 00:35:49.920
So like, those principles don't change. Obviously there's preferences in

701
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.320
style and comfort and all those sorts of things, and

702
00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:54.639
you know, the different companies take different approaches there. But

703
00:35:55.440 --> 00:36:00.199
the first principle, the foundational principles of producing speed from

704
00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:02.639
a performance standpoint, don't change.

705
00:36:08.679 --> 00:36:12.920
Lots of times on the show, we'll talk about with

706
00:36:13.000 --> 00:36:18.159
fitness people and even equipment people, it's like, you know,

707
00:36:18.320 --> 00:36:22.760
the balls, they their technology is getting better, and the clubs,

708
00:36:22.800 --> 00:36:25.559
their technology is getting better. And people think that if

709
00:36:25.599 --> 00:36:27.519
I get a new club or I get new balls

710
00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:30.679
that I'm going to get greater distance. You may get

711
00:36:31.440 --> 00:36:35.159
a little more. But really we come back to this

712
00:36:35.320 --> 00:36:38.079
conversation that we've had so often that the most important

713
00:36:38.119 --> 00:36:41.719
tool in your bag is your body, and if you

714
00:36:41.760 --> 00:36:46.880
want to get greater distance, it's more about your swing speed.

715
00:36:46.760 --> 00:36:49.920
Right, Yeah, I mean definitely, if you want a sustainable

716
00:36:49.960 --> 00:36:54.920
difference or a distance, it's your body, right, So you know,

717
00:36:55.079 --> 00:36:57.159
go buy a pair of shoes that connect to the ground.

718
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:00.639
You can swing the club faster. Go do some speed

719
00:37:00.679 --> 00:37:04.519
training drills, or get a different driver your clubhets. Maybe

720
00:37:04.559 --> 00:37:07.639
you can move that clubhead faster. Go take lessons and

721
00:37:07.719 --> 00:37:10.960
get more efficient. You know, technically you can swing it faster.

722
00:37:11.719 --> 00:37:16.280
At the end of the day, the engine that drives

723
00:37:16.280 --> 00:37:19.239
all of that is your body. And your engine's only

724
00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:22.000
as big as your engine is, right, and you're in

725
00:37:22.039 --> 00:37:23.960
that engine. I think it is. A car has a

726
00:37:24.079 --> 00:37:26.880
has a set of brakes that you know, that's your

727
00:37:27.039 --> 00:37:33.000
your strength, that that is capable of slowing down a

728
00:37:33.000 --> 00:37:35.559
certain speed, right, And so this is all the research

729
00:37:35.599 --> 00:37:38.119
that we've done. I think one of the other myths

730
00:37:38.159 --> 00:37:39.559
that you always hear is like, oh, just as you

731
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:44.400
get older, you're naturally going to lose distance, like, Okay, yes,

732
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:49.840
but the average guy. But when we look, yeah, but yeah, yeah,

733
00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.159
and yeah, and the average guy who doesn't do the

734
00:37:53.239 --> 00:37:55.800
right stuff. What we're seeing in our database just points

735
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.599
over fifteen thousand guys that we've seen change data. We've

736
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:00.320
got a number of guys that been in the dayabase

737
00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:03.840
for over a decade. You're seeing guys lose if they

738
00:38:03.880 --> 00:38:06.440
don't do the right things. They will lose ten miles

739
00:38:06.440 --> 00:38:12.079
an hour a decade if guys are doing the right thing.

740
00:38:12.119 --> 00:38:14.480
So if we look, if we compare those at the

741
00:38:14.559 --> 00:38:16.480
you know, the control group, guys who don't do anything,

742
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:18.719
compared to the guys who've been with us for ten

743
00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:23.559
plus years, those guys don't. We can't stop loss with age.

744
00:38:23.599 --> 00:38:26.039
Like guy, we have one guy, he's started at seventy,

745
00:38:26.039 --> 00:38:28.360
he's now eighty four. I can't. I'm not going to

746
00:38:28.400 --> 00:38:31.440
stop him from losing distance. But what we've seen is

747
00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.679
his rate of loss is eighty percent less. So instead

748
00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:38.320
of losing ten miles an hour, he's only lost two

749
00:38:38.719 --> 00:38:39.719
in the last ten years.

750
00:38:39.920 --> 00:38:43.480
That's significant, it's massive, and that's because he's working out

751
00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:46.679
regularly on the correct things to work out.

752
00:38:46.800 --> 00:38:49.199
Yeah, so he's got his engine right, and so he's

753
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:51.920
keeping making sure he's mobile and his hips and his

754
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.920
spine and his shoulder and his neck, and he's making

755
00:38:54.960 --> 00:38:57.960
sure that he's strong enough to support the speeds. This

756
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:00.440
with our database at this point, it's it's just a

757
00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:02.679
math equation, right. You say, hey, Fred, how fast do

758
00:39:02.679 --> 00:39:04.519
you want to swing? You say, I want to swing

759
00:39:04.519 --> 00:39:06.800
one hundred miles an hour. Two hundred. Great, we'll go

760
00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:09.199
for two hundred. We have an equation for that you'd

761
00:39:09.239 --> 00:39:11.519
be you'd still be thirty miles or twenty seven miles

762
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.440
an hour faster than the world long drive guys that

763
00:39:13.480 --> 00:39:13.719
we have.

764
00:39:13.840 --> 00:39:16.400
But they're kids, you know.

765
00:39:16.519 --> 00:39:19.599
Records are made to be broken. But yeah, you say, hey,

766
00:39:19.639 --> 00:39:21.119
I want to swing whatever it is, two hundre miles

767
00:39:21.159 --> 00:39:22.000
an hour, hundred miles an hour.

768
00:39:22.079 --> 00:39:23.159
I'd love to get to one hundred.

769
00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:25.320
Yeah, So you say one hundred miles an hour, we

770
00:39:25.360 --> 00:39:27.280
can say, hey, well, if you want to get there,

771
00:39:27.440 --> 00:39:31.079
to do that safely, meaning you can swing one hundred

772
00:39:31.159 --> 00:39:33.199
both physically your body is able to do one hundred

773
00:39:33.239 --> 00:39:35.920
and five, right, so you're not redlining every single time.

774
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:38.920
Your mobility and your hip needs to be X amount

775
00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:41.119
of degrees and we do it. We can do it

776
00:39:41.119 --> 00:39:44.679
based on your age, because you know, at fifty versus

777
00:39:44.719 --> 00:39:47.519
at twenty, to swing one hundred miles an hour, the

778
00:39:47.559 --> 00:39:52.199
mobility requirement is different, the strength requirement is different in

779
00:39:52.239 --> 00:39:54.599
terms of to do it safely. And so that's where

780
00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:56.280
you can say based on your age, you know this

781
00:39:56.320 --> 00:39:59.519
is these would be the degrees of mobility you need

782
00:39:59.519 --> 00:40:03.719
in your join. These would be the strength numbers of

783
00:40:03.800 --> 00:40:08.480
your squat movement, a hinge or a deadlift movement, a press,

784
00:40:08.679 --> 00:40:11.480
an upper body push movement. Right, these would be that

785
00:40:11.559 --> 00:40:13.559
those are that's you're breaking. So it's like how good

786
00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:17.400
are your breaks? And then then there's power tests your

787
00:40:17.519 --> 00:40:19.880
lower body how you know your vertical leap how much

788
00:40:19.880 --> 00:40:22.920
force can you produce through your legs? And then also

789
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:25.199
your upper body push power? How much force can you

790
00:40:25.199 --> 00:40:27.280
produce through upper body? You know that think of that

791
00:40:27.320 --> 00:40:29.719
as like how many RPMs do you have? Right, so

792
00:40:30.039 --> 00:40:31.840
think of a car analogy. I think of your mobility

793
00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:35.199
as how good are your tires? Your strength is how

794
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.840
good are your breaks? And then your power output is

795
00:40:37.880 --> 00:40:40.679
how big is your engine? And when you can like

796
00:40:40.719 --> 00:40:44.280
a plug in hybrid, plug in hybrid, those those or

797
00:40:44.320 --> 00:40:46.440
even get an electric one. All right, those testas go.

798
00:40:48.519 --> 00:40:51.079
But you know, and what it's it's just a math equation.

799
00:40:51.239 --> 00:40:53.119
You say, hey, you know this is the speed I

800
00:40:53.119 --> 00:40:56.239
want to be at, this is my age. Then okay,

801
00:40:56.280 --> 00:40:58.079
these are the physical things that we need to train

802
00:40:58.159 --> 00:41:00.360
up for. And so I think when you talk about

803
00:41:00.679 --> 00:41:03.079
the other gentleman, Dennis, he's one of my favorite guys

804
00:41:03.079 --> 00:41:07.840
in the world. Like, when people come in, the average

805
00:41:07.840 --> 00:41:11.400
guy picks up six miles an hour in the first year, right,

806
00:41:11.840 --> 00:41:14.239
So if you think about it, it's because they're not optimized.

807
00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:16.440
So the average guy is going to pick up six

808
00:41:16.480 --> 00:41:19.480
miles an hour year one, and then if he does

809
00:41:19.519 --> 00:41:21.719
nothing else, he just if he doesn't gain ever again,

810
00:41:21.840 --> 00:41:24.400
which they actually tend to gain about another two miles

811
00:41:24.400 --> 00:41:26.639
an hour each year for the next three Let's say

812
00:41:26.639 --> 00:41:29.960
they stop at six. If he loses two miles an

813
00:41:29.960 --> 00:41:33.119
hour every decade, we got thirty years till he's back

814
00:41:33.159 --> 00:41:38.159
to where he started, which is crazy. But there's this

815
00:41:38.320 --> 00:41:41.119
myth that hey, once I hit fifty, it's all downhill,

816
00:41:41.239 --> 00:41:43.119
or for some guys, it's once I hit thirty, I'm

817
00:41:43.119 --> 00:41:45.159
all down it's.

818
00:41:45.159 --> 00:41:47.280
Oh my god, I'm turning seventy.

819
00:41:49.039 --> 00:41:52.360
It just changes. Right, It's based on perspective. Right, you're

820
00:41:52.559 --> 00:41:54.599
almost seventy now you're like, hey, when I was thirty, man,

821
00:41:54.639 --> 00:41:56.639
I was great. Right. The guy who just turned it.

822
00:41:56.639 --> 00:41:58.599
Didn't play golf until I was in my forties. That

823
00:41:59.000 --> 00:41:59.559
really screwed.

824
00:42:01.320 --> 00:42:03.639
But I think that's that's a huge myth that a

825
00:42:03.679 --> 00:42:05.519
lot of people have, is that this idea that when

826
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.760
I get older, I'm going to lose. And have yet

827
00:42:08.800 --> 00:42:12.039
to meet a guy over the age of thirty who

828
00:42:12.079 --> 00:42:15.559
came in one hundred percent optimized, meaning they had nothing

829
00:42:15.559 --> 00:42:18.400
to gain, and we were totally in just lost prevention mode.

830
00:42:19.239 --> 00:42:21.920
So you know, all those guys, everybody comes in, they

831
00:42:21.960 --> 00:42:24.440
all can gain. And then if you just keep doing

832
00:42:24.440 --> 00:42:26.400
the right stuff, like fifteen minutes a day, like it

833
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:31.000
doesn't take a lot, Guys, you can truly only lose

834
00:42:31.280 --> 00:42:34.559
like two miles an hour a decade, and all your

835
00:42:34.599 --> 00:42:35.760
peers are losing ten.

836
00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.199
Tell me, give me fifteen minutes a day. What do

837
00:42:40.239 --> 00:42:42.960
I need to be doing. I'd love to do. I

838
00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:44.800
will do fifteen minutes a day forever.

839
00:42:45.119 --> 00:42:47.639
Yeah, well, I think that's well. So that's where we

840
00:42:47.679 --> 00:42:50.280
always start with the assessment. So you know, you do

841
00:42:50.559 --> 00:42:53.000
you do your your mobility assessment. So I always think

842
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:58.119
of a remember the nutritional pyramid, right, and then we

843
00:42:58.199 --> 00:43:02.199
realized that it didn't really makes sense and whatever. You anyway,

844
00:43:02.280 --> 00:43:06.039
that's another rabbit hole cap exactly right. So like remember

845
00:43:06.119 --> 00:43:07.880
like where carbs used to be at the bottom, right,

846
00:43:07.960 --> 00:43:09.920
So that's that's think of that is you know, I

847
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:11.519
think of golf performance, think of it as like a

848
00:43:11.559 --> 00:43:14.559
performance pyramid. I think of that that's your mobility, right.

849
00:43:14.639 --> 00:43:17.559
So if we use the car analogy, those are your tires, right.

850
00:43:17.639 --> 00:43:21.599
So the first STEPISNE is to assess your hip internal rotation,

851
00:43:21.679 --> 00:43:23.760
which is your ability to rotate into your trail hip

852
00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.119
on your takeaway and into your lead hip going through

853
00:43:26.159 --> 00:43:30.920
impact almost seventy. We want to see that, you know,

854
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:35.320
thirty five to forty degrees both, you know, most importantly

855
00:43:35.360 --> 00:43:38.480
on your lead side. Then we'd look at your shoulder rotation.

856
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:41.159
So I think of like a pitcher throwing a pitch

857
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:43.199
or a quarterback, right and then they kind of sling

858
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:46.800
their arm back. That movement needs to be you know,

859
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.920
almost seventy. We want to see that probably about five

860
00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:52.880
degrees beyond spine angle. So if you think of if

861
00:43:52.880 --> 00:43:54.880
you kind of have your arm up you know, elbow

862
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.760
shoulder height ninety degree, you know, bending your wrist or

863
00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.119
entire in your elbow, just kind of rotate your arm

864
00:44:01.159 --> 00:44:04.880
back like you're gonna throw a pitch right that forearm

865
00:44:05.320 --> 00:44:08.400
should get you know, zero is if it's equal to

866
00:44:08.440 --> 00:44:10.880
your spine angle A zero, it should get five degrees

867
00:44:10.960 --> 00:44:14.199
passed when you're it's easy when you're sitting. You got

868
00:44:14.239 --> 00:44:16.400
to do it when you're standing in golf posture, right,

869
00:44:16.440 --> 00:44:19.880
because now you got all of a sudden because now

870
00:44:19.880 --> 00:44:21.719
you have to fight gravity and you're doing it in

871
00:44:21.760 --> 00:44:23.760
the specific position that you would do it when you're

872
00:44:23.800 --> 00:44:27.320
when you're playing. Okay, so you gotta pass. Those are

873
00:44:27.320 --> 00:44:30.599
the two big ones that everybody struggles with. There's also

874
00:44:30.719 --> 00:44:32.800
like we look at thracic rotation, which is, you know,

875
00:44:32.920 --> 00:44:35.199
give your arms crossed on your shoulders, rotating as far

876
00:44:35.239 --> 00:44:38.599
as you can each direction right, getting towards seventy. We

877
00:44:38.599 --> 00:44:41.000
want to see at least you know, fifty degrees each way.

878
00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:42.679
You know, so if you think of if you're if

879
00:44:42.679 --> 00:44:45.360
you're facing a computer screen, that'd be zero. If you

880
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.320
turned totally sideways, that would be ninety, right, So can

881
00:44:49.320 --> 00:44:55.320
we get halfway there? So a spinning chair makes that easy. Yeah, right,

882
00:44:55.400 --> 00:44:57.559
but that's think of that as like your base level, right,

883
00:44:57.599 --> 00:44:59.920
and so that's step one. And if we don't pass there,

884
00:45:00.599 --> 00:45:02.599
all we do for fifteen minutes a day is we

885
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:05.239
work on improving those areas until we start to pass them.

886
00:45:05.440 --> 00:45:08.440
Are we get to what specific exercises that I should

887
00:45:08.519 --> 00:45:11.840
be working on? Since you're in North Carolina.

888
00:45:11.519 --> 00:45:14.159
Right, yeah, and I'm not. Yeah, So this is where

889
00:45:14.440 --> 00:45:16.199
that's why we work with people. We do this people

890
00:45:16.199 --> 00:45:18.400
all over the world, right, so, oh you do this remotely?

891
00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:21.480
Oh yeah, ninety ninety percent of our business is remote. Yeah,

892
00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:23.719
so we work with about over a thousand people around

893
00:45:23.719 --> 00:45:26.519
the world. And so so this is where yeah, well,

894
00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:29.480
well personally, if we get off this, we'll get you

895
00:45:29.639 --> 00:45:31.239
an assessment and we'll give you all the stuff you

896
00:45:31.239 --> 00:45:33.559
need to do. But you know, for everyone listening, your

897
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:36.280
first step is typically going to be you know, soft

898
00:45:36.320 --> 00:45:38.320
tissue work, which is you know, rolling on a phone

899
00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:40.920
roller using la crossball. Right, we got to get the tissue.

900
00:45:41.480 --> 00:45:44.079
I was using analogy. Every muscle has a sleeve around it.

901
00:45:44.480 --> 00:45:46.599
So if you're wearing a sleeve, if you raise your

902
00:45:46.679 --> 00:45:49.679
arm up, your sleeve slides down your arm. Right, if

903
00:45:49.719 --> 00:45:51.840
you grab the bottom of your sleeve and hold it

904
00:45:51.880 --> 00:45:53.320
in tight to your chest. All of a sudden, your

905
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:56.039
arm doesn't move anywhere, right because the sleeve is restricting it.

906
00:45:56.480 --> 00:45:59.079
So what basically the goal of the soft tissue mobility

907
00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:02.519
is to basically remove that restriction. To think of like

908
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:04.679
your arms almost duct taped to your side. We got

909
00:46:04.719 --> 00:46:07.000
to rip off the duct tape and that's where we

910
00:46:07.079 --> 00:46:12.199
see huge improvements and mobility. Like for like week two weeks,

911
00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.119
all of a sudden, you go from hey, I got

912
00:46:14.119 --> 00:46:16.480
ten degrees and it's cramping to I get to twenty

913
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:19.559
or you know, twenty five, like I've doubled it, and

914
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:24.119
that just fixing. Just doing those mobility exercises for people

915
00:46:25.159 --> 00:46:27.079
gets rid of a lot of pain for them. They

916
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.840
immediately will start to like, oh I'm turning more, I'm

917
00:46:29.880 --> 00:46:32.880
not sore after I play the round of golf, like,

918
00:46:33.079 --> 00:46:35.000
oh I will you know, I wasn't able to move

919
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.400
my hips first, Like particularly like guys who were good

920
00:46:37.400 --> 00:46:40.159
players when they were younger, right, and they they understand

921
00:46:40.280 --> 00:46:43.159
the movement they're supposed to do mentally, but physically they

922
00:46:43.159 --> 00:46:45.079
can't do it, can't do it. Right, You give that

923
00:46:45.119 --> 00:46:48.039
guy mobility and his hip back, and it's like and

924
00:46:48.079 --> 00:46:50.639
his buddies are like, oh my god, like, what'd you do?

925
00:46:51.159 --> 00:46:51.320
Right?

926
00:46:51.320 --> 00:46:53.480
And not not to mention his balls going farther than

927
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:56.639
there's now, but like that's that's literally just level one.

928
00:46:56.679 --> 00:46:58.840
Then you move up. Level two is how do we

929
00:46:58.840 --> 00:47:01.800
get you stronger? Right, So, whether it's you know, squat

930
00:47:01.840 --> 00:47:04.119
type movements or hinge type movements, which are like a

931
00:47:04.519 --> 00:47:08.000
you know, whether it's kettlebell swings or kettlebell deadlifts or

932
00:47:08.039 --> 00:47:10.599
banded lifts, right, how do we get your hips stronger?

933
00:47:10.679 --> 00:47:10.880
Right?

934
00:47:11.159 --> 00:47:13.559
Bridges would be the simplest example of that. How do

935
00:47:13.599 --> 00:47:16.599
we strengthen basically like the backside of your legs, your button,

936
00:47:16.599 --> 00:47:19.679
your ham strings, right, So those are your two lower

937
00:47:19.719 --> 00:47:21.559
body and then you're also working getting stronger in your

938
00:47:21.599 --> 00:47:24.360
upper body, which you know, have like a bench press

939
00:47:24.400 --> 00:47:27.400
type movement, whether it's with dumbells or barbell or cables,

940
00:47:27.440 --> 00:47:29.880
whatever it may be. Those are the big ones that

941
00:47:29.920 --> 00:47:32.480
we really want to see ge get stronger with. And

942
00:47:32.519 --> 00:47:36.000
then you get to power, right, and power is how

943
00:47:36.079 --> 00:47:37.840
much force you can produce and how fast you can

944
00:47:37.880 --> 00:47:39.920
do it. So where strength is like I just if

945
00:47:39.960 --> 00:47:42.800
I'm going to push fifty pounds it can take me

946
00:47:43.320 --> 00:47:45.559
two minutes to get it from the bottom to the top.

947
00:47:46.039 --> 00:47:49.199
I just need to move it. Power is can I

948
00:47:49.199 --> 00:47:50.960
get it from the bottom of the How quickly can

949
00:47:50.960 --> 00:47:53.320
I get it from the bottom to the top. Right, So,

950
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:55.159
if you can move fifty pounds but it takes you

951
00:47:55.199 --> 00:47:57.800
a minute, that is less powerful than if you can

952
00:47:57.840 --> 00:48:01.800
move fifty pounds the same distance in one set. Right,

953
00:48:01.880 --> 00:48:04.280
So that's where the explosiveness comes from. And so those

954
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:07.039
are kind of the big three categories. And so during

955
00:48:07.079 --> 00:48:10.400
that fifteen minutes a day, because you're assessing, you know

956
00:48:10.440 --> 00:48:13.559
exactly it is what you kind of you get rid

957
00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:16.280
of all the extra noise and you're solely focusing on

958
00:48:16.320 --> 00:48:18.639
what is the low hanging fruit for you at that moment.

959
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:23.880
When I go to the gym, I generally bypass the

960
00:48:23.880 --> 00:48:26.800
weight room and go right to the pool and try

961
00:48:26.800 --> 00:48:29.960
to get some swimming in. Should I be spending more

962
00:48:30.039 --> 00:48:34.920
time lifting weights or if you want distance, Yes, it's

963
00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:38.599
the resistance that I get from the pool without having

964
00:48:38.679 --> 00:48:43.559
to create pain. Yeah, that is that helpful or not?

965
00:48:44.039 --> 00:48:46.840
Or this is all Yeah, I mean it's helpful from

966
00:48:46.920 --> 00:48:50.559
the general health and wellness cardiovascular benefits to it, right,

967
00:48:50.639 --> 00:48:55.239
like general well being by all means keep swimming if

968
00:48:55.320 --> 00:48:58.199
you're trying to improve. And it's the same discussion around

969
00:48:58.239 --> 00:49:00.159
like guys are like, well, I do cardio, you know,

970
00:49:00.199 --> 00:49:02.159
I get on the elliptical and I go like, great,

971
00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:05.559
there's nothing wrong with that. It's just you're moving long,

972
00:49:06.159 --> 00:49:09.199
it's for a longer duration of time, and you're moving slowly.

973
00:49:11.559 --> 00:49:12.840
Is that what you want in your golf swing?

974
00:49:14.760 --> 00:49:14.880
No?

975
00:49:15.239 --> 00:49:17.960
Right, right? So, and that's where I think you get to.

976
00:49:18.000 --> 00:49:20.559
The golf is a power sport. The entire swing, like

977
00:49:20.599 --> 00:49:22.599
the down swings less than a second, the entire swing.

978
00:49:22.800 --> 00:49:26.320
You know, maybe not even too right, thanks John Daly?

979
00:49:26.440 --> 00:49:30.320
Maybe yeah, But so I think you got to think

980
00:49:30.320 --> 00:49:32.519
of how you want to train, how you want to play.

981
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.320
So if I want to play an explosive sport, I

982
00:49:34.320 --> 00:49:37.719
want to swing faster, I'm upset that I'm losing speed, Well,

983
00:49:37.719 --> 00:49:41.199
I probably should do stuff that would help me swing faster,

984
00:49:41.280 --> 00:49:43.800
and that's going to be producing force. Right. So basically,

985
00:49:43.800 --> 00:49:48.239
like think of like lifting weights. If you're lifting more

986
00:49:48.280 --> 00:49:50.880
than six reps, like say, if you have a weight

987
00:49:50.920 --> 00:49:54.599
that you can do fifteen times, you're not developing strength,

988
00:49:54.639 --> 00:49:57.960
You're developed You're doing It's called hypertrophy, you're trying to

989
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:01.280
like build mass or build muscle fibers. Ultimately we want

990
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:02.480
for golf is we just want to be able to

991
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.920
produce a lot of force or however how much force

992
00:50:04.960 --> 00:50:06.440
we need. So there's no need to do more than

993
00:50:06.440 --> 00:50:09.360
five or six reps because that's kind of the physiologically

994
00:50:09.400 --> 00:50:13.800
the strength range. And so if you want to you know,

995
00:50:13.880 --> 00:50:15.400
if you're in an off season and you want to

996
00:50:15.400 --> 00:50:16.679
do a lot of reps because you want to put

997
00:50:16.679 --> 00:50:19.280
on a base or build a bigger engine, that's when

998
00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:22.519
we would do ten fifteen reps in a set. But

999
00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:24.800
that's going to make you sore, So you don't want

1000
00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.400
to do that when you're in season. When you're in season,

1001
00:50:27.400 --> 00:50:29.719
like our guys on tour now, they're doing three to

1002
00:50:30.159 --> 00:50:32.920
five reps max in a set, right, so the weight

1003
00:50:32.920 --> 00:50:35.599
they're using is going to be relatively heavier because they're

1004
00:50:35.599 --> 00:50:38.400
only lifting it three to five times. They couldn't lift

1005
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.599
it fifteen times. But the number of repetitions they do

1006
00:50:41.719 --> 00:50:45.480
is less. That puts less stress on the nervous system muscularly,

1007
00:50:45.559 --> 00:50:48.159
they're not sore and allows them to perform their best.

1008
00:50:49.039 --> 00:50:51.159
So that it starts getting into a little bit of

1009
00:50:51.159 --> 00:50:53.320
the nitty gritty, but that's how you keep it short

1010
00:50:53.440 --> 00:50:55.480
as you say, hey, this is what I need to

1011
00:50:55.480 --> 00:50:57.599
work on. These are the two or three things that

1012
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.559
I need to do. As long as working stint with that,

1013
00:51:00.639 --> 00:51:03.159
we just snowball wins and progress occurs.

1014
00:51:04.679 --> 00:51:08.920
And you are at par four Success number four p

1015
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R number four success dot com and you're also on

1016
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1017
00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:19.960
Success, all part for success. And we actually we created

1018
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.320
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1019
00:51:22.320 --> 00:51:25.639
anyone listening they can grab the home assessment for free

1020
00:51:25.880 --> 00:51:28.760
and thank you. Yeah, and we actually if you go there,

1021
00:51:29.360 --> 00:51:32.159
we actually we don't do this for all the shows,

1022
00:51:32.159 --> 00:51:34.920
but for you for the show. For you guys listening,

1023
00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:37.840
it's because I like I like Fred and he's had

1024
00:51:37.840 --> 00:51:42.199
me on multiple times. Uh. We also are you have

1025
00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.199
you graced me with your presence early on. I appreciate it.

1026
00:51:45.360 --> 00:51:49.519
They gave me some street cred. Uh you know, but

1027
00:51:49.519 --> 00:51:51.360
but we also after you guys, if you go to

1028
00:51:51.360 --> 00:51:54.079
parpus dot com slash golf smarter, you'll get the home

1029
00:51:54.119 --> 00:51:56.000
assessment you just put in your email, will send it

1030
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:57.360
to you and then it also gives you an option

1031
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.880
if you want, for a free one on one console

1032
00:52:00.079 --> 00:52:01.440
one of our guys, so they'll actually go through the

1033
00:52:01.440 --> 00:52:03.960
assessment with you live, walk you through you know what

1034
00:52:03.960 --> 00:52:05.679
it means and all that sort of stuff too, if

1035
00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:08.000
you wanted that sort of attention as well. So awesome,

1036
00:52:08.280 --> 00:52:10.679
But that's that's how we keep it short and then

1037
00:52:10.760 --> 00:52:13.360
understanding like, hey, if your shoulder is good, we're not

1038
00:52:13.400 --> 00:52:15.679
gonna waste time on your shoulder, like put your hip stinks, well,

1039
00:52:15.679 --> 00:52:17.360
then we're gonna work on your hip, and I think

1040
00:52:17.400 --> 00:52:18.039
that's important.

1041
00:52:18.719 --> 00:52:21.480
Awesome, Chris, it was great talk to you again, and

1042
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:25.480
also remember to check out the Golf Fitness Bomb Squad

1043
00:52:26.440 --> 00:52:31.239
your podcast, and we will of course, as always, we'll

1044
00:52:31.280 --> 00:52:32.920
stay in touch and we'll do this.

1045
00:52:32.840 --> 00:52:34.480
Again for sure. I definitely got to have you on.

1046
00:52:34.519 --> 00:52:38.679
We gotta got to hear the Master story to my listenership.

1047
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:40.719
That's a good one.