Nov. 18, 2025

Creating the Best Tempo & Rhythm to Achieve a Repeatable Swing featuring Chia Chou

Creating the Best Tempo & Rhythm to Achieve a Repeatable Swing featuring Chia Chou
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Season 20

GS#1026  This week Chia Chou, a world renowned musician and professor, showcases his online program, Audio Golf. The course can help golfers of all skill levels achieve a repeatable rhythm that will result in hitting shots, and stroking putts more consistently. Chou challenges Fred to demonstrate the difficulty of performing contradictory actions while speaking. The discussion highlights the complexities of body language and communication, emphasizing how challenging it is to align verbal and non-verbal cues.

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I'm No.

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One Pace from Warehall of South Carolina and I'll play

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at Olkony Country Club. Welcome to Golf Smarter. Hi.

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This is sound apparel from Mount Elgan, Ontario, Canada, and

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I play at Oxford Hills Golf Club.

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This is Golf Smarter number one and twenty six. This

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is a bit strange, but I understand the very basic

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correlation between sound and body movement. If I'm correct on this.

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He also presented a study done by Yale University confirming

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that there is a correlation between body movement and sound.

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The field is called soonification. When I see a body motion,

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I will hear a sound and so I will then

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make a sound pattern for this specific swing and I'll

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send it back to the client and he will right back.

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That's perfect. Helps me a lot, and so we're anchoring

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a very good swing. And then we have then also

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our online coaching and there we can then address a

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specific problem. In fifteen or less or less, a golfer

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could come with his instructor, the instructor of Tom. Hey,

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I want this person to turn here or whatever, and

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I'll give them a sound pattern for that.

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Find your best tempo and rhythm to achieve a repeatable

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swing with Chai Chao of Audio Golf.

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This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories, tips and insights from

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great golf minds to help you lower your score and

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raise your golf IQ. Here's your host, Fred Green.

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Welcome to the Golf Smarter podcast.

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Chai, Thank you, Fred. It's an armed to be here.

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Oh well, it's great to have you on because this

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is going to be a fascinating topic. I've always had

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a thing about rhythm and tempo and trying to get

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that locked in, and you have developed a new program

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for putting that is all about tempo and rhythm.

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Well, Fred, it's not just about putting. It's all aspects

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of the golf gig everything, bunker, bunker, you know, drives,

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short game everything. It's it's okay, it can be applied

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to everything.

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Excellent, And let's just kind of dig into what we're

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talking about here, because this is going to be something

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that a lot of people, I think a lot of

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people don't understand the rhythm and tempo of a golf swing.

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We had talked many years ago, multiple times to a gentleman,

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John Novissel, who created the Tour Tempo Yes program, and

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I've always you know in my head, have had that

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rhythm in my head all the time. I grew up

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around music. I played music as a kid. I was

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a drummer. So my tempo, I can lock it in.

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I can lock my tempo in. Yes, So that's it's

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another reason why I was kind of excited to see

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about your program.

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Right, So.

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How did you get to create this program? What motivated this?

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Well, if I'm going to go to the very beginning,

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it's actually a long story. Even take this out afterwards.

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Oh no, no, we've got time.

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Okay. I grew up in Toronto in Canada, and I

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come from a family of doctors, and my mom maybe

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take pianole. Wasn't As a kid, I wasn't too hot

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on that, but when I was sixteen, I got intrigued

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by it and I said, okay, I want to try

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and maybe become a world class international concert pianist. So

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I left Toronto and I went to Germany. At the time,

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there was still West Germany and actually a major music

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academy there. And after about two months I made two

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discoveries that were a little bit disturbing. The first discovery

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I made was everybody at this academy was better trained

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than I was. Was one small How did you get away?

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How did you get into the academy? Just like I

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want to play? I want to be a concert.

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Well, I auditioned, of course, and they.

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Took me to you had already been playing.

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Oh yes, I've never played it. I had taken pianists

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all since I was four, but I never really told

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it seriously. I wasn't really So when I was sixteen,

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I tried, I got interested in and I'm seventeen. I

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went to Germany and I entered the academy, and I

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found out that first of all, everybody was better trained

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than I was. That was the first problem. And secondly,

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everybody was more talented than I was. Okay, there are

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two small problems there. And it wasn't just this academy,

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and we're not even talking about London, Paris, New York,

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Moscow and the rest of the world. So I realized

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immediately that even practicing seventy eight hours a day wasn't

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going to get me past these people. They were so

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far ahead of me, and they were practicing seventy hours

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a day. Two So I realized quickly I have only

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two alternative. I had two options one, I can quit

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and go back home. Okay, give up a dream of

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becoming a pianist, which my mom would have liked. She

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wanted me to become a doctor.

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I appreciated.

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And the second alternative I had option I had was

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I searched for and find a shortcut. Okay, I was desperate.

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It was basically, there has to be a way instead

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of practicing something technical for six weeks, seven weeks, there

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has to be a way to solve this problem, like

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in ten to fifteen minutes. Okay, now, Fred, I'll be honest.

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I was there and I'm sure there was no internet

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at the time to go, how do I solve this

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problem in ten to fifteen minutes?

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Yeah?

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Well again, where did reality kick in?

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Well, anyway, I started instead of this sort of mindless practicing,

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which by the way, as a musical first, I see

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this all the time, instead of practicing something and hoping

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that will get better, I began really carefully watching, observing

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myself when I made the mistake? Why do I make

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this mistake? And okay, anyway, so I was, I began

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looking for the shortcut. Okay, And anyway, four years later,

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I am twenty one, I win the first press at

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the Sydney International Piano Competition, I went first, congratulations, Well yes,

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what was at the time. Everybody is a little surprised,

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I must confess. And for me, this, this win in

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Sydney sort of set my career. In the arts business.

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You only have to win one big one. I mean,

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nobody is expecting Leonardo DiCaprio to win every year, the

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best actor Oscar Nobody suspecting that. Again. You know, Novo

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check and you know and Rory and all these other

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people have to regularly win they stay stay on top.

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But in the arts business, and like I said, this

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one win got me the agent I mean, to become professor.

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I'm a recording country right, So that was it. So anyway, anyway,

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these shortcuts which I developed for myself and now as

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professor in a major academy in Austria, I passed this

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on to my students and it works. It works for them.

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I've got kids and all the major orchestras in Europe

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and they've got recording contracts. This works.

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It's a wait a second, you skipped winning to being

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a professor at work?

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Well yes, I mean with the wind of course, I

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got all these concerts, recording contracts, and then the university

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starts saying, hey, maybe we should get this guy to

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work for us. Yeah, okay, so this is very important.

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But the main thing is that this is all using shortcuts,

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so to speak, music shortcuts. And about ten years ago,

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just by coincidence, I was asked an athlete at the time,

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a marathon runner, if I could help it, and I said,

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I don't know anything about marathon running, but if you

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were a pianist or a violinist, if you wanted to

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play faster, I would give you this mental shortcut, okay,

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and we tested it. He first ran a kilomna, which

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is about zero point six two miles I think, in

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three minutes twenty seconds, and I gave him the shortcut.

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We practiced it together for about fifteen seconds, and he

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runs back and it crosses the line and he tells

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me he's seventeen seconds faster. Yeah, that's significant, that's significant,

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And we were both just blown away. And that's how

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this all started. We started this project trying to understand

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how can shortcus from classical music help athletes. That's how

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this all started. That's I knew. And then in twenty eighteen,

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I was doing a running seminary in Berlin and after

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the seminary, this man comes up JJ. You've been in

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contact with him. JJ comes up to me and says, hey,

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with this work in golf, I don't know it, I guess,

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so it's worked with every other sport I've tried it on.

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So that's how we got it. I'm beinging golf since

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twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen.

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Wow, And what was it that you helped this golfer

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with initially? How did that get started? And what did

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you recognize?

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JJ himself wasn't a golfer. He was just fascinated by

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the idea that we could applied this technique to golf,

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to golf, I see, so we and he made me

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tested on about hundreds of golfers, hundreds of problems, hundreds

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of issues, and we were I think able to fix

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all of them. And then he said, okay, let's get going.

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Let's get started, okay, And we started the company in

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Miami and came to the PGA Show in Orlando in

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twenty twenty and during good time to do.

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It exactly, Oh my goodness, as already at the PGA

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show we were hearing about this cruise ship of San

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francisc School.

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They weren't letting like into port because of some sort

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of sickness and some strange sickness that was you know,

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you know, on board. So we lost two years, Like

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we couldn't enter the US for about two years. So

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I've been here.

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Wow.

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Yeah, but you know that's.

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Okay. As we're recording this, I know you kind of

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made it clear that you're not a huge sports person.

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But as we're recording this, the Toronto Blue Jays have

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just gone ahead of the LA Dodgers three games to two.

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And I'm from l A. Originally you're from Toronto. Originally,

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sorry you were laya bet on this. I'm I'm I'm

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Michelle Hey, Tony fan, not a Nudge fan.

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Okay.

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So so let's let's get to figuring out how you

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decided that this could be a program that will work

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for every offer.

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Well, first of all, there's one very important thing. I mean,

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like I said, the system is based. Okay. It's a

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rhythm based training that uses sound phrases okay, okay to

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help golfers improve their core fundamentals like for more consistent swings,

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speed control, and putting, increased cliphead speed in driving everything,

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and not only that, we can incorporate these into these phrases,

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things like how to do the weight shift, when to

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do the weight shift, how to turn more? Okay, everything

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can be incorporated into these sound phrases. It's that simple.

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We need to figure out the best way to introduce

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this program that you've developed because we want people to

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get access to it. And it's a very very easy

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access to this program through the website and you just

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load it up on your phone and it takes care

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of itself from that point on. And we'll talk more

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about it. But let's talk about what the program does.

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Can you walk us through the start of this and

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again I don't want you to give away everything here

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on this podcast because we want people to look into

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this program, but let's talk about the introduction to it.

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Well, the program is based on we have courses that

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you can purchase online and they guide you through fighting distances,

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to the short game for the drive, club heading, drive stability,

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and then clubhead increase. There's all kinds of things that

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are there. Those are the course that you can buy

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and we have another part of the program for I

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would say better better golfers with a fifteen handicap and

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less who are where you can then upload a video

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and say, for example, I get this a lot from

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very good golfers. Uh, they say, this is a perfect

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a three quarter swing, a short game, a pitch, but

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under pressure in a tournament, this screws up completely. Okay,

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I get confused, I get too fast or whatever. And

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can you tell me the sound pattern you're hearing when

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I do this? Okay? And this is the thing, Fred

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is a bit strange. But when I see in sports

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a body motion, emotion, any motion, I will hear a sound.

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It's a kind of a weird thing. And so that

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I will then make a sound pattern for this specific

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swing and I'll send it back to the client and

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he will right back or she'll write back, that's great,

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it's perfect. Helps me a lot. And so we're anchoring,

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so to speak, a very good sway. And then we

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have then also our online coachings, which are about fifteen minutes,

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and there we can then address a specific problem. Very

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good golfer will come and book a session and we'll

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solve the problem in fifteen minutes or less. And or

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or less, a golfer can come with his instructor, So

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the two of them and the instructor of Tom. Hey,

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I want this person to do this. I want him

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to turn here or whatever, and I'll give them a

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sound pattern for that.

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When I mentioned John Novasel on Tour Tempo earlier, you

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nodded as if to say, yeah, of course, of course,

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so you are familiar with his work.

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Absolutely, yes, okay, So.

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How much research did you do? You know, looking back

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on this issue, and we're going to stay with golf,

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not other sports versus just trusting your gut doing what

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you did for music, I can do this for sports

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and we'll just let it rip from there.

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Well, again, when I first started out, I was with

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this with this marathon runner. We were both completely astounded

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that this would work. And again it wasn't so much

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that I'm like, in within two minutes, I'm giving you

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a bigger must muscle mass. It's all in your head.

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And I think basically, I think nowadays, with with our

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ideas about and knowledge about nutrition, about you know, biomechanics

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and all kinds of things, I think in a way,

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the brain is the last frontier mm.

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Hmmm, theology. Yeah, yeah, absolutely so. So did you alter

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once you started doing this research behind it. Did you

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start altering what you were doing or you just trusted

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yourself and what you've developed?

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Well, I kept I trusted myself how we developed, because

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how can I say it? I don't know anything else

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then expactly that's what it is, the music. And and

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like I said, I think there's one thing I do understand.

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But like I said, I don't know where I got this.

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I understand the very basic correlation between sound and body movement.

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There is a correlation. It's been it's been studied in

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scientifically by by many scientists and enough papers on this.

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The field is called soonification. And I think if I'm not,

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if I'm not, if I'm correct on this, I think

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mister Novicell for a recent tour Tempo intro rollout, he

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also presented a study down by Yale University, Okay, confirming

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that there is there is a connect between body movement

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and sound.

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Absolutely yes, And it was Yale University last time we

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spoke to him, when he talked about that his research

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had all been confirmed by a college study. So that

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was amazing. All right, let's let's start talking about what

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it is now and how to do it and just

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if the introduction. If you can run through your introduction

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on this, I would love to hear more.

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Well again, I mean, like I said, Fred, as you

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party guessed, the idea is so out of the box,

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it's so crazy that it's it's at the beginning was

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difficult for us to get people to just even listen

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to us.

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Sure.

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I remember, you know, preparing our twenty twenty trip, I

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was calling you know, golf clubs and talking to you know,

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senior instructors, head of instruction. Yes, I've got this idea

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about controlling golf swings you see sound And the basic

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response was I don't need that, okay. So and eventually,

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with by time, after getting getting like meetings with Brad

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Faxon and Mark Indelman and others, okay, we finally were

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able to get testimonials and and you know, endorsements that

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were substantial, substantial. So we're we're we're much better. It's

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it's getting easier, okay.

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Yeah, your your your testimonials are very impressive.

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Thank you very much. So again, it's like I said,

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we know this. We know that most people think this

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is crazy, it's some kind of scam. Trust trust me,

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it's not. And but but we want to make the

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threshold as low as possible for people who are skeptical.

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And by the way, I love convincing skeptics. That's the

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most fun of all. Okay, And if you're skeptical, then

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the easiest thing to get convinced, I think, I hope,

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is just to visit our website howdiot dot golf and

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take the two free tests that are on there. Okay,

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catch it and.

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Yeah, I pay me. Skeptical, let's go here, go you

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got it. You've got my attention. Now you need to

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make it work.

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Okay, well I can, especially if it's.

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A free test. You can do that right now too.

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You could, Yes, I can do it right now too.

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One of the things is, like I'm saying, the basic

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idea in audio golf is that there's a connect between

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a special specific movement okay, beat the twenty foot part

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or a forty yard pitch and a sound. Okay. So

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I'm going to give you an example now that actually

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comes from actually tennis, but that's not important right now.

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I want you to put your hand in front of

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your chest or twenty inches in front of your chest,

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with your palm facing towards your chest and pull it

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gently towards yourself like this. Okay, okay, that's it, gently

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towards yourself gently.

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Well, I'm only doing so people can hear it. That's

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so from my for my outstretched hand too, Yes, to

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your chest to touch at hand too, like this?

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All right? So that's how long it take when I

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hear when I see somebody doing this, I hear the sound. Mum,

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So I want you to say a'm and do the movement? Yeah?

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Huh so? Was that hard? Was that hard to learn?

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No? Was a quick study on this one. Do I

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get an a professor?

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Okay? Now I say I claim these two, this motion

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and this sound are connected. Okay. Now I want you

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to prove me. Prove to me, and and by the way,

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prove to your whole audience that I'm full of it.

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And I want you to show me that you can

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say am, but do the exact opposite motion. Okay. Instead

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of soft towards you, I want you to take your

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hand near your chest and rip it away very quickly,

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but saying at the same time, huh.

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Okay, yeah, yeah, hang on, I'm gonna do this here.

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I'm not.

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Mm hmmm. You've changed the sound. You've gone from arm

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to arm.

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Oh, yeah, you're right, I have.

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I want you to say it sound correctly, but do

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the exact opposite.

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Right, is that am relaxed right with my hand. Yeah,

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it's really difficult to do. Yeah. I can't do them

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together either.

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No, nobody can. I've been doing this for for like

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eight nine years now. Nobody can do it. It can't

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be done. Okay, And this is really fascinating because, and

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this is what's really fascinating about this. The sound is

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so powerful. Okay, this sound is so perfect. You can't

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ignore it. Okay, And you can't consciously override it, because

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if you could, you could do it, you could say

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I'm and just rip it. But nobody can do it.

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How do you change the sound? Like, in half the

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cases people change the sound, you'll go M instead of

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And in the other cases people just like you did

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at the very beginning, you were sort of frozen. You

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couldn't your brain wouldn't let you do it. It's a

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weird feeling, by the way, it's a weird. I see

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this all the time. People are sort of like frozen

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and their brains just they can't move their hand, they

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can't do anything.

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Previously on Gulf Smarter, Fred was stuck it. I'm still

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trying to even during our break here, I'm still trying to.

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But it can't be done.

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Can't be done. I've never had anybody who can do it.

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Oh well, then why am I trying so hard? No

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needs to do that, all right? So what's the correlation here?

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What are you teaching me? Now that I know that

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I can do it from out to my Chi said

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it at an easy pace, but I can't do the reverse.

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How's this helping?

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Well? Again, the basic idea behind it is that once

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you hit the sound and you let your let your

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brain follow the sound, Okay, then basically, once you've connected

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a sound specific motion the motion, the movement will happen

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every time insistently. Okay. That's the basic idea, okay, And

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we've tested it, and like I said, if you want,

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one of the most one of the giveaways we haven't

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in our course of course, is the fifteen foot put sound.

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The Yalla band, which is basically you call yala and

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when just commonly say yala, and when the sound stops,

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lost stops the sound. If your voice stops, your potter stops.

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So it's Yala band. It's very simple.

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So your backstroke is ya la and you pull the

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club away at the beginning of yeah, so it's yala perfect,

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and you're you're end of your backstroke at at the

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end of ya la.

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Yeah, right, and then bam b and bam. Is the

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actual strike the putt.

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It's when okay, when you make contact. So that's so

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you start you start your forward swing after ya la

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exactly bam, yes, yaa bam okay, right, okay, yeah, I'm

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missing something.

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No, but I just saw something number right now, Fred,

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because you spoke about that, you are probably a bit

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further than it's intended. Okay, there's there's a there's a

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rhythm built in there as well, okay. And if you

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listen carefully, it's yaala bam yea la. So it's yalla

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la bam.

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Yeah.

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That's it. Okay, okay, And that's it. And basically it's

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it's it's it's very simple because for example, we've tested it,

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most people get around fifteen feet apart this on a

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flat middle fast green stemmed nine or ten, not uphill,

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not downhill, but on a flat green and uh and

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some people will get seventeen feet, some people will get

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fourteen feet. But the main thing is that it's consistent. Right,

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that's the main thing.

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So that's what we're looking for, is a consistent distance

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with y'a llabam.

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Yes, exactly. Well, let's put it this way. That's that's imagine.

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I don't think it exists. But you know they have

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in tennis, like they have these machine that throw a

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serve at you. Yeah, okay, so I don't think it exists,

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but I think don's imagine, but there was a putting machine.

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You put it on the green, and there's a striking

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plate and you can dial it in to hit the ball.

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Let's say four point two miles an hour. Okay, dial

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it in, and the plate hits the ball every time

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four point two miles an hour. So we would actually

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assume that the ball will draw out every time at

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the same distance, am I right?

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Yeah? I would think so right.

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That's right, that's the well if it's the same green,

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of course, and whatever. Yeah right right, okay, So basically

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I can get our clients, I can get anybody to

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put four point two miles an hour. I know it

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sounds crazy, but basically, what is how is velocity calculated?

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It's overcoming a certain distance in a certain time. So

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in your case, if you're going back whatever fourteen inches

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and you're covering fourteen inches every time in zero point

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three seven seconds, your CLUBTSP, it's going to be the

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same plus minus. We're humans, right, okay. So basically that's this.

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There's there's yallow bam. There's no voodoo, there's no esoteric

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you know stuff involved. It's just there's science. But it's

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of course okay.

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And now, so this program is not just for putting.

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No, No, the program.

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And yallabam is just for one distance, correct. We just

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use it for that. You just lock it in for

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that one distance. You don't use it for short putts.

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You don't use it for extra long putts.

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Now, this is the I think what's what makes it

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very interesting. There are other methods. There are other rhythm

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methods who say that, for example, three to one, for example,

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can be used in all kinds of things. Again, I

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think it's Yallabam. By the way, if you've noticed, if

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you're an observer I'm sure have been, you'll notice that

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the Yalabam there's a two to one racial built in

465
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two to one tempo Racio okay, okay. Now the question

466
00:27:51.839 --> 00:27:54.119
is perhaps with you ya la, you'll take it back

467
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:58.480
fourteen inches. Maybe somebody will only take back eleven inches okay.

468
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:01.160
But the thing is this person will do this or

469
00:28:01.160 --> 00:28:04.799
should do this every time the same okay. So it's

470
00:28:04.839 --> 00:28:07.279
like we think like medicine. If I get a headache,

471
00:28:07.319 --> 00:28:11.920
I take one, you know Thailand all, I take one,

472
00:28:12.039 --> 00:28:16.559
but maybe you need too and for the efficacy. So

473
00:28:17.599 --> 00:28:20.519
that's basically how this works. And for yallabam is like

474
00:28:20.559 --> 00:28:23.519
the fifteen foot pot sound, And if we're doing like

475
00:28:23.559 --> 00:28:25.920
a fifty foot put sound, it will be a different

476
00:28:26.240 --> 00:28:27.720
sound pattern, it will be different.

477
00:28:28.319 --> 00:28:32.920
And how many sound patterns do you provide?

478
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:39.640
Well, basically, if somebody was interested in and you know,

479
00:28:39.799 --> 00:28:44.880
doing everything we're talking about twenty to twenty five okay, okay, And.

480
00:28:44.880 --> 00:28:48.440
It covers not just putting, it covers all different starts game.

481
00:28:49.119 --> 00:28:54.359
We've got a sound for three quarter swing, a half swing, driver, bunker,

482
00:28:54.559 --> 00:28:55.920
everything and those just.

483
00:28:55.880 --> 00:28:58.039
And is it all on the two to one ratio?

484
00:28:58.599 --> 00:29:02.119
No, no, no it's not. Well, I'll tell you a

485
00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.920
very personal story I was I was able to I

486
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:08.319
had the honor meeting Brad faxon about three years ago

487
00:29:09.759 --> 00:29:13.680
and uh, you know, he set us meet up and

488
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.400
he wanted to hear what I was doing. And and

489
00:29:16.400 --> 00:29:18.240
one of the first things I had to ask him,

490
00:29:18.279 --> 00:29:21.039
I said, Brad, it's I know it's too early, but

491
00:29:21.799 --> 00:29:26.319
everybody talks about you know, the PJA putting ratio. Is

492
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:29.079
every all the pros pot two to one. Okay, that's

493
00:29:29.119 --> 00:29:32.599
that's the that's the mantra. That has to me two

494
00:29:32.599 --> 00:29:35.640
to one. And but I said, Brad, if you've got

495
00:29:35.640 --> 00:29:38.279
a good player, it's a good putter and he's putting

496
00:29:38.279 --> 00:29:40.960
two point two to one, or he's putting one point

497
00:29:40.960 --> 00:29:43.400
eight five to one, are you going to change that?

498
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.319
And he said, of course not okay, Like you know,

499
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:52.079
if it's if it's not broken, don't fix it. So basically,

500
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:54.440
this two to one is just a guideline. I would

501
00:29:54.480 --> 00:29:58.440
even say with Tour Temple it's it's a guide. But

502
00:29:58.559 --> 00:30:01.480
the question is that I've seen I've even seen the

503
00:30:01.559 --> 00:30:05.319
machines in like in Germany where if they if you're

504
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:07.519
putting and it's not two to one, these red lights

505
00:30:07.519 --> 00:30:09.640
will go on and it has to be it has

506
00:30:09.680 --> 00:30:11.400
to be two to one. That's getting you two to one.

507
00:30:11.599 --> 00:30:16.039
I don't necessarily see the point in that, and and

508
00:30:16.079 --> 00:30:19.279
I'd like to see somebody do a sixty foot putt

509
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:22.680
using two to one. I find that very very difficult.

510
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:35.000
So how effective are all the different rhythms tempos that

511
00:30:35.079 --> 00:30:38.000
you provide? Have you found that some work better than

512
00:30:38.039 --> 00:30:42.279
others or consistently across the board they're working? Well? Where

513
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.279
do you find your sweet spot?

514
00:30:44.599 --> 00:30:48.720
Well, we find uh at the beginning, At the beginning,

515
00:30:48.799 --> 00:30:53.160
we find that the putting sounds are being more effective.

516
00:30:53.839 --> 00:30:56.359
I think there are My guess is there there are

517
00:30:56.480 --> 00:31:02.400
less technical issues there? Okay, then with a bunker sounds, yes,

518
00:31:02.440 --> 00:31:05.920
the mechanics. That's why we recommend that if you're going

519
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:09.200
to do audio golf. Of course we'd like to have everybody,

520
00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:13.519
but we find it more effective if you're a good amateur,

521
00:31:14.279 --> 00:31:20.559
are a good player and this, uh, this, then they're

522
00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:24.920
less technical issues, mechanical issues okay, and just just working

523
00:31:24.960 --> 00:31:28.400
on rhythm and temple to get it, you know, consistent.

524
00:31:28.960 --> 00:31:32.799
So that's why we find that very effective. But even

525
00:31:33.119 --> 00:31:38.319
good beginners can start with putting and they will benefit

526
00:31:38.359 --> 00:31:38.920
to as well.

527
00:31:39.519 --> 00:31:42.519
What if a person is not I don't want to

528
00:31:42.559 --> 00:31:48.519
say musically inclined, but rhythmly rhythmically inclined. I mean, I

529
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:50.880
mean you see people out on the dance floor who

530
00:31:50.920 --> 00:31:54.079
don't have a clue of one, two, three, four, yes, right.

531
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:57.480
And you'll see people clapping at a concert who just

532
00:31:57.599 --> 00:32:00.680
like what what what are you listening to? This is

533
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:04.319
how how did you get your hands to do that?

534
00:32:04.319 --> 00:32:08.279
That far off? What happens to people like that who

535
00:32:08.359 --> 00:32:09.640
have that kind of a challenge.

536
00:32:10.079 --> 00:32:13.759
Well, again, what happens is, Uh, I've been in the

537
00:32:14.359 --> 00:32:17.960
seven years I've been teaching doing these courses, I've only

538
00:32:18.039 --> 00:32:21.119
sent one person home or in the middle of a lesson.

539
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.200
You need to know more about that. But why did

540
00:32:25.200 --> 00:32:26.119
you send them homent?

541
00:32:26.720 --> 00:32:29.359
Well, because how we were giving in sound patterns. I

542
00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:33.119
was even some he just couldn't implement it, okay. For example,

543
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:35.480
I'm going to ask you Fred to clap her hands

544
00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:40.359
together and and say ka simultanz co ca okay. So

545
00:32:40.920 --> 00:32:43.599
this guy, okay, he couldn't do it. He would do

546
00:32:44.480 --> 00:32:48.640
cop no, no, no, no no together ca no no,

547
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.240
you have to say cap earlier. Oh of course I

548
00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:54.680
get it, cop okay. Oh my god, no, it was

549
00:32:54.720 --> 00:32:57.240
it was just that off okay. And I said, if

550
00:32:57.240 --> 00:33:00.000
you can't even do that, I won't take your money.

551
00:33:00.319 --> 00:33:08.759
Yeah, please go home. Okay, So, anybody who's listening right now,

552
00:33:08.839 --> 00:33:11.119
if you're listening right now, if you can, if you

553
00:33:11.160 --> 00:33:14.720
can call with us, if you can caf with us,

554
00:33:14.799 --> 00:33:17.000
then keep listening. So, because now I want to get

555
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:21.359
into the details of we're at Audio dot Golf is

556
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:24.680
the website and audio Golf is the app, and it's

557
00:33:24.680 --> 00:33:27.240
available for both iOS and Android.

558
00:33:27.279 --> 00:33:31.279
Correct, there's no app, right, there's no it's okay, it's

559
00:33:31.440 --> 00:33:33.599
just the way it's all done on the website. Yes,

560
00:33:33.880 --> 00:33:37.200
we also audio dot Golf Instagram. You can find us

561
00:33:37.200 --> 00:33:39.759
there too, but there's no app yet.

562
00:33:39.960 --> 00:33:44.519
Okay, So, but on Instagram, it's just it's not the program,

563
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.519
it's just showcasing what it is. So to get the program, Yes,

564
00:33:49.559 --> 00:33:53.079
it's it's all at audio dot golf. Yes, what what

565
00:33:53.319 --> 00:33:56.200
are the costs and what do you receive?

566
00:33:57.119 --> 00:34:02.559
Well, we have we have courses. They're online now I

567
00:34:02.559 --> 00:34:09.840
think putting driver. I don't know all of them from

568
00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:13.800
memory right now, and they're all available for ninety nine dollars.

569
00:34:14.079 --> 00:34:17.639
You get all these courses three sounds. But it's not

570
00:34:17.800 --> 00:34:20.719
just the sound pattern. There is a system behind it

571
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:26.400
and get you get the instructions, you get the drills,

572
00:34:26.719 --> 00:34:30.199
you have what do you call it? Common mistakes are

573
00:34:30.239 --> 00:34:35.320
addressed and anybody who has had a difficulty can write

574
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:38.559
to us and you'll get support. So there is follow

575
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:40.679
up with it as well as a follow up for everybody.

576
00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:42.880
And the ninety nine dollars is a one time fee.

577
00:34:43.039 --> 00:34:45.760
It's a one time fee for one course. Okay, for

578
00:34:45.840 --> 00:34:49.880
one course. And in the if you do the two

579
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:53.880
tests that are online on the website and you decide

580
00:34:54.119 --> 00:34:58.199
you want to try the intro course the first we

581
00:34:58.239 --> 00:35:01.599
have a special offer right now, twenty nine dollars. That's

582
00:35:01.639 --> 00:35:05.840
a normal, regular, medium pot course has everything else that

583
00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:09.079
all the other courses have as well, and this course

584
00:35:09.159 --> 00:35:14.760
comes with one hundred percent money back guarantee. Okay, this one,

585
00:35:14.880 --> 00:35:17.960
this specific course, this intro course comes to the money

586
00:35:18.000 --> 00:35:21.119
back guarantee. So basically, if you do the first two

587
00:35:21.199 --> 00:35:23.239
tests and you say, hey, this could work for me,

588
00:35:24.199 --> 00:35:28.280
and you find you purchase the twenty nine dollar course

589
00:35:28.679 --> 00:35:32.199
and you're disappointed, no problems, okay, we want to make

590
00:35:32.239 --> 00:35:35.000
a third should as low as possible. And then with

591
00:35:35.119 --> 00:35:38.360
the so called online trainings, okay, if you come in

592
00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:41.719
and book a fifteen minute lesson with me, okay, again,

593
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:44.519
this is completely different than from any golf lesson you've

594
00:35:44.519 --> 00:35:49.960
probably ever had. It's only fifteen minutes, and we guarantee

595
00:35:49.960 --> 00:35:54.239
you here one hundred percent money back, guarantee I solve

596
00:35:54.280 --> 00:35:58.320
the problem in fifteen minutes. I'll find a solution for

597
00:35:58.400 --> 00:36:02.119
your problem. You'll get a sound an audio loop, okay,

598
00:36:03.119 --> 00:36:05.920
I'll record for you, send it to you, and also

599
00:36:06.039 --> 00:36:10.119
follow up for thirty days, and you get also all

600
00:36:10.239 --> 00:36:15.800
the you know frequently ask questions and yeah, and like

601
00:36:15.880 --> 00:36:19.960
I said, it's very very effective. All the other courses

602
00:36:20.000 --> 00:36:23.480
are ninety nine dollars and the one on one session

603
00:36:24.199 --> 00:36:27.079
online is one hundred and twenty five for fifteen minutes.

604
00:36:27.679 --> 00:36:28.119
Okay.

605
00:36:28.280 --> 00:36:30.559
I know people say this is insane one hundred and

606
00:36:30.559 --> 00:36:34.039
twenty five dollars or fifteen minutes. Yes, but like I said,

607
00:36:34.159 --> 00:36:38.000
if I don't fix the problem, we'll send your money back.

608
00:36:38.480 --> 00:36:38.880
Okay.

609
00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:41.719
And by the way, Fred, I've always solved the problem.

610
00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:43.760
That's how sure we are about.

611
00:36:43.480 --> 00:36:47.519
This, all right, So it's definitely worth it, unless, of course,

612
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:50.960
you can't dance. If you can't dance, don't, don't don't

613
00:36:51.119 --> 00:36:58.800
try it because it's so well. This has been fascinating.

614
00:36:58.840 --> 00:37:02.639
I really appreciate your time I'm chy and I just

615
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.480
love how you got here, and it just proves to

616
00:37:06.599 --> 00:37:08.559
me once again that you don't have to be an

617
00:37:08.559 --> 00:37:13.519
instructor in golf to give good golf instruction, and I

618
00:37:13.559 --> 00:37:15.360
think that's what we've been trying to do here for

619
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:19.639
twenty years on golf SMO. Yes, yeah, thank you so much.

620
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:21.800
Great talking to you and in best of luck with

621
00:37:21.840 --> 00:37:22.360
the program.

622
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:24.400
Thanks Frand, it was great to be here. Take care,